Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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Tusher wrote:ff, does he mean the (alleged) Puerto blood as well?
And retrospective testing on ALL his previous blood and urine?
Your guess is as good as mine. I simply have the info I posted.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Thank you for that, ff.
I'm by no means converted to his cause, but I am prepared to wait and see.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Also consider this:
Contador has offered to provide his full blood and urine samples for testing, saying he is open to their analysis now and also in the future, when the tests are more evolved.
Would a doper do that?
Yes, because he knows the likelihood of anyone taking him up on such an offer is minimal (and I'm not referring specifically to Contador here, many riders have made such comments but as far as I'm aware, the UCI or WADA or a national organisation have never taken anyone up on this).
It carries no weight in any proof of an attitude towards doping or not as the words are hollow.0 -
andyp wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Also consider this:
Contador has offered to provide his full blood and urine samples for testing, saying he is open to their analysis now and also in the future, when the tests are more evolved.
Would a doper do that?
Yes, because he knows the likelihood of anyone taking him up on such an offer is minimal (and I'm not referring specifically to Contador here, many riders have made such comments but as far as I'm aware, the UCI or WADA or a national organisation have never taken anyone up on this).
It carries no weight in any proof of an attitude towards doping or not as the words are hollow.
Only hollow if the authorities take them up on the offer and the rider is then not willing. You cannot take the other side of the rider simply because no one has actioned what they say. Who are you to say they don't mean it?Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:andyp wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Also consider this:
Contador has offered to provide his full blood and urine samples for testing, saying he is open to their analysis now and also in the future, when the tests are more evolved.
Would a doper do that?
Yes, because he knows the likelihood of anyone taking him up on such an offer is minimal (and I'm not referring specifically to Contador here, many riders have made such comments but as far as I'm aware, the UCI or WADA or a national organisation have never taken anyone up on this).
It carries no weight in any proof of an attitude towards doping or not as the words are hollow.
Only hollow if the authorities take them up on the offer and the rider is then not willing. You cannot take the other side of the rider simply because no one has actioned what they say. Who are you to say they don't mean it?
And who are you to say they DO mean it? A lot of things get said out there and if history is any guide, well, a whole bunch of it is / was far from the truth.0 -
dennisn wrote:frenchfighter wrote:andyp wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Also consider this:
Contador has offered to provide his full blood and urine samples for testing, saying he is open to their analysis now and also in the future, when the tests are more evolved.
Would a doper do that?
Yes, because he knows the likelihood of anyone taking him up on such an offer is minimal (and I'm not referring specifically to Contador here, many riders have made such comments but as far as I'm aware, the UCI or WADA or a national organisation have never taken anyone up on this).
It carries no weight in any proof of an attitude towards doping or not as the words are hollow.
Only hollow if the authorities take them up on the offer and the rider is then not willing. You cannot take the other side of the rider simply because no one has actioned what they say. Who are you to say they don't mean it?
And who are you to say they DO mean it? A lot of things get said out there and if history is any guide, well, a whole bunch of it is / was far from the truth.
Good lord - the oil tanker is starting to turn!Le Blaireau (1)0 -
DaveyL wrote:dennisn wrote:frenchfighter wrote:andyp wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Also consider this:
Contador has offered to provide his full blood and urine samples for testing, saying he is open to their analysis now and also in the future, when the tests are more evolved.
Would a doper do that?
Yes, because he knows the likelihood of anyone taking him up on such an offer is minimal (and I'm not referring specifically to Contador here, many riders have made such comments but as far as I'm aware, the UCI or WADA or a national organisation have never taken anyone up on this).
It carries no weight in any proof of an attitude towards doping or not as the words are hollow.
Only hollow if the authorities take them up on the offer and the rider is then not willing. You cannot take the other side of the rider simply because no one has actioned what they say. Who are you to say they don't mean it?
And who are you to say they DO mean it? A lot of things get said out there and if history is any guide, well, a whole bunch of it is / was far from the truth.
Good lord - the oil tanker is starting to turn!
Wel, maybe not really. I was refering to just about everyone in the Pro race circle from fans to riders to journalists to race officials to sponsors, and all the rest. A lot of things have been said and all of it can't be true and all of it can't be false.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Tusher wrote:but the crucial fact is- he didn't.
He said he would so that has nothing to do with him. I am sure that tests would have been done by authorities if they thought it necessay.
He said he'd retire if he was banned, didn't he? Did I miss his retirement speech, or is it possible he talks a lot and then changes his mind when confronted with having to take action to back up the talk?0 -
Yes, we have no bananas!
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I have nothing at all intelegent to add to the conversation but there's a steak restaurant called Doping near my girlfriend's mum's house in Finland: http://foursquare.com/venue/5808729
It's been there for years, but I've only just remembered it. Made me chortle anyway :-)0 -
RaceRadio on twitter saying that the cover of Marca today claims Bert tested positive on four different days at the Tour.Le Blaireau (1)0
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The president of the Danish anti-doping agency, Jens Evald, believes that the time has come for WADA to introduce a minimum threshold for banned substances such as clenbuterol.
Evald, who is a law professor in addition to overseeing the Danish agency, sees the case of Alberto Contador as one in an ongoing series of clenbuterol cases that point to a need to re-think the rules. He considers WADA’s Strict Liability policy obsolete, an anachronism that could unfairly punish Contador and other athletes.
By not setting a minimum threshold and by issuing sanctions for positive results due to minute amounts of substances that can be found in food, Evald fears the anti-doping code wrongs the athlete.
“Clenbuterol is indeed a substance where there is no lower limit. It is in keeping with what people previously perceived, i.e. that clenbuterol could not naturally enter the body unless, for example, a person ate meat,” Evald said in an interview with tv2sport.dk.
“If it appears that this has happened, then naturally one has to set some boundaries. This has been done in other contexts, including the substance nandrolone, which was advanced in the case of Meca-Medina in 2006,” he said.
Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid commercially available by prescription and used to treat various medical conditions (osteoporosis, anemia and others), was given a minimum threshold, as Evald indicates, by the IOC as a result of the Meca-Medina case, in which two professional swimmers received bans and subsequently pursued appeals as high as the European Court of Justice.
“I don’t think the Contador affair is over,” Evald commented. “I think that it has only just begun. We have a series of clenbuterol cases, which have had a significant impact lately, where you cannot be sure whether or not the drug has entered the body through eating meat. If that is the case—that the substance has entered the body by eating beef, that a very common food is contaminated—one must obviously consider what we should do".
Evald continued his criticism: “There cannot be doping rules that punish athletes who happen to ingest contaminated food. That’s going over the line. It’s simply out of proportion to what is the real purpose of the anti-doping rules, namely the fight against doping and doping cheats. It was never intended to punish people who consume contaminated food.”Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:The president of the Danish anti-doping agency, Jens Evald, believes that the time has come for WADA to introduce a minimum threshold for banned substances such as clenbuterol.
Evald, who is a law professor in addition to overseeing the Danish agency, sees the case of Alberto Contador as one in an ongoing series of clenbuterol cases that point to a need to re-think the rules. He considers WADA’s Strict Liability policy obsolete, an anachronism that could unfairly punish Contador and other athletes.
By not setting a minimum threshold and by issuing sanctions for positive results due to minute amounts of substances that can be found in food, Evald fears the anti-doping code wrongs the athlete.
“Clenbuterol is indeed a substance where there is no lower limit. It is in keeping with what people previously perceived, i.e. that clenbuterol could not naturally enter the body unless, for example, a person ate meat,” Evald said in an interview with tv2sport.dk.
“If it appears that this has happened, then naturally one has to set some boundaries. This has been done in other contexts, including the substance nandrolone, which was advanced in the case of Meca-Medina in 2006,” he said.
Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid commercially available by prescription and used to treat various medical conditions (osteoporosis, anemia and others), was given a minimum threshold, as Evald indicates, by the IOC as a result of the Meca-Medina case, in which two professional swimmers received bans and subsequently pursued appeals as high as the European Court of Justice.
“I don’t think the Contador affair is over,” Evald commented. “I think that it has only just begun. We have a series of clenbuterol cases, which have had a significant impact lately, where you cannot be sure whether or not the drug has entered the body through eating meat. If that is the case—that the substance has entered the body by eating beef, that a very common food is contaminated—one must obviously consider what we should do".
Evald continued his criticism: “There cannot be doping rules that punish athletes who happen to ingest contaminated food. That’s going over the line. It’s simply out of proportion to what is the real purpose of the anti-doping rules, namely the fight against doping and doping cheats. It was never intended to punish people who consume contaminated food.”
That's brilliant. But where's his evidence? Same place as Bert's I suspect.
WADA reviewed Clenbuterol contamination in European animals, didn't they? How many cases did they find?
Seriously, if you are going to start campaiging for a minimum level, you need to provide some evidence to show what the level of risk actually is, that someone could eat contaminated meat and test positive.Le Blaireau (1)0 -
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If that's the case, presumably they'll still try and stick him with a 1 year ban?0 -
Looks like Bert's top quality meat seems to have repeated on him for a few days.Le Blaireau (1)0
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So how is this explained by the blood doping theory? Would he have had four separate transfusions or one? Be interesting to see what the levels of clenbuterol were that have been detected.
Or did he just have some neat clenbuterol?Mañana0 -
36-40hr half life. They found the original amount on the 21st. I'll leave you to work the maths for how long it stays in the system.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:36-40hr half life. They found the original amount on the 21st. I'll leave you to work the maths for how long it stays in the system.
Indeed.
Pity the detected amount when up on the 24'th.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Oh dear. Perhaps we should just re-test his 2008 Giro samples and be done with it.Le Blaireau (1)0
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Went up: yeah that would be something else.
Hmm, where's the official info? Why is this coming out now - that is very odd to me?Contador is the Greatest0 -
Holy cow
Won't it be a 2 year ban then? This is surely further blowing the tainted meat defence to little itty bitty pieces0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Went up: yeah that would be something else.
Hmm, where's the official info? Why is this coming out now - that is very odd to me?
Its easily explained by the fact he got some more of his favourite beef imported from Spain on the 23rd, I bet even the cook still has the receipt.Mañana0 -
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http://www.thehindu.com/sport/other-spo ... 167489.ece
Spot it...
Where you seeing it is higher on 4th day? Relevant info if true - why do we only know about this now?Contador is the Greatest0
