Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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FF - sheesh, get a grip already! There's standing by your man, and then there's blind devotion that goes against all rhyme and reason.
AC is toast. I know think the most likely outcome is a two year ban.0 -
Noted. Cheers.0
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Kléber wrote:
No, that's banned. Vitamin injections are allowed but infusions, even of fluids like saline solution, are banned.BR 1979 wrote:I've heard that it's common for cyclists to take on IV fluids between stages (perfectly legal, I thought).
I thought there was an exception that if you were dehydrated and needed it on medical grounds this was allowed. Of course i'm not sure we saw Contador in that state and Ian says this is only in a hospital now.
I wonder if anyone has looked at Andy's bio passport to see if that is as "chaotic" as Alberto's0 -
surista wrote:FF - sheesh, get a grip already! There's standing by your man, and then there's blind devotion that goes against all rhyme and reason.
FF is like the captain of the once prestigious ship 'Contador' going down and drowning in the cold depths together, staying till the bitter end.Mañana0 -
If he gets banned because the rules are what they are, I am not going to be too bothered. As I have already said. The world of cycling will be much poorer, the fans will be worse off, the TdF will be dull. The only person that benefits is Andy.
Anyway, should he get banned, he will come back (assuming his moral stance prevents him from doing so) and clean up. Just like Valverde will. And the excitement of races will go up, especially as they will likely be angry. It is going to be great seeing Ricco in action in the GTs if VS get in.Contador is the Greatest0 -
And let me make it perfectly clear. If there was watertight evidence, ie/. failing a test for EPO or some drug that actually matters in a clear cut way, then I wouldn't be sticking up for him.Contador is the Greatest0
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I reckon the UCI will sit on their hands and come the start of the next season we'll get the usual
'well nothing could really be proved or disproved... he's served the 3month that we suggested... so lets all race again shall we?'
the whole thing is smelly"I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
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You backed Valverde despite a DNA match linking him to a triple whammy of blood doping, EPO and using Dr Fuentes.frenchfighter wrote:And let me make it perfectly clear. If there was watertight evidence, ie/. failing a test for EPO or some drug that actually matters in a clear cut way, then I wouldn't be sticking up for him.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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No it won't, no they won't, and no it won't.frenchfighter wrote:The world of cycling will be much poorer, the fans will be worse off, the TdF will be dull.
Just because you're losing the object of your man-crush, don't assume the rest of us won't enjoy the TdF all the same, perhaps more if we can believe that cycling is just a little bit closer to getting clean when one of the cheaters is caught.0 -
edhornby wrote:I reckon the UCI will sit on their hands and come the start of the next season we'll get the usual
'well nothing could really be proved or disproved... he's served the 3month that we suggested... so lets all race again shall we?'
I really hope you're wrong.
If Contador walks, which I doubt, then there's little point in pretending cycling's dope free any more.
If the governing body deliberately exhonerates a leading star to protect its image there's not much hope. There's always been talk of the UCI protecting the big fish, but this would be the most blatent example of it yet.
Cycling is full of bopers, we now it. However, the riders should not protected from the risks. If you dope you should take a kicking if you're caught.0 -
surista wrote:
No it won't, no they won't, and no it won't.frenchfighter wrote:The world of cycling will be much poorer, the fans will be worse off, the TdF will be dull.
Just because you're losing the object of your man-crush, don't assume the rest of us won't enjoy the TdF all the same, perhaps more if we can believe that cycling is just a little bit closer to getting clean when one of the cheaters is caught.
Who are you. Ta gueule. Contribute something of worth or don't bother quoting me.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:And let me make it perfectly clear. If there was watertight evidence, ie/. failing a test for EPO or some drug that actually matters in a clear cut way, then I wouldn't be sticking up for him.
Regardless of your opinion of what is and isn't a meaningful drug he failed a dope test by having a substance in his system which is prohibited.0 -
oooh, hit a sore spot did I? I'm sure you'll feel worse off with Contador banned; and perhaps the TdF will be dull for you with Bertie watching from home, given your bromance with AC. But stop assuming that everyone else feels the same way.frenchfighter wrote:surista wrote:
No it won't, no they won't, and no it won't.frenchfighter wrote:The world of cycling will be much poorer, the fans will be worse off, the TdF will be dull.
Just because you're losing the object of your man-crush, don't assume the rest of us won't enjoy the TdF all the same, perhaps more if we can believe that cycling is just a little bit closer to getting clean when one of the cheaters is caught.
Who are you. Ta gueule. Contribute something of worth or don't bother quoting me.0 -
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Birnie's not taking any prisoners.
Can anyone remember the Spanish university / lab that was touting itself to screen samples for teams in the past?That may also explain the low levels of clenbuterol the following day. The theory, which Contador denies strongly, is that he used blood extracted earlier in the year after a training block during which he used clenbuterol. The screening equipment he had at his disposal was not sensitive enough to pick up the traces of the drug.0 -
And nice to finally start seeing more reports properly correct the '400x' quote.Kléber wrote:Birnie's not taking any prisoners.
Can anyone remember the Spanish university / lab that was touting itself to screen samples for teams in the past?That may also explain the low levels of clenbuterol the following day. The theory, which Contador denies strongly, is that he used blood extracted earlier in the year after a training block during which he used clenbuterol. The screening equipment he had at his disposal was not sensitive enough to pick up the traces of the drug.0 -
Gazzaputt wrote:frenchfighter wrote:And let me make it perfectly clear. If there was watertight evidence, ie/. failing a test for EPO or some drug that actually matters in a clear cut way, then I wouldn't be sticking up for him.
Regardless of your opinion of what is and isn't a meaningful drug he failed a dope test by having a substance in his system which is prohibited.
Typically dont bother replying to you as it isnt worth it. For the sake of it as you obviously enjoy banging the same drum without reading the comments. Yeah he has a substance which needn't been there in the first place, I am not bothered if he is banned etc etc etc,Contador is the Greatest0 -
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Frenchie, you're in danger of making yourself look ridiculous here. You really have took a strong position defending Valverde in the last few months, even after he was absolutely bang to rights. Doing the same for Bertie makes your position indefensible. You obviously love cycling, and take a great interest in it, don't you think it could be just as good with a level(ish) playing field?
Assuming that Gilbert, Evans, and other's mentioned as being clean are clean, doesn't it make the pulse race even more when they attack, knowing it's real, and that you're watching talent and hard work, not a clever medical program?0 -
frenchfighter wrote:EUROSPORT - Monday, October 4, 13:41:00 - Alberto Contador has told Eurosport he expects the doping case against him will be closed in just over a week.
The Tour de France champion was provisionally suspended for having a concentration of anabolic agent clenbuterol 400 times less than what anti-doping laboratories accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency must be able to detect.
Why is this level still getting misreported and why does anyone actually think it is relevant at all when the permitted level is 0?0 -
dougzz wrote:knowing it's real, and that you're watching talent and hard work, not a clever medical program?
Whatever else he may or may not have been up to down the years, I don't think even his fiercest critic could claim that Contador is not a talented cyclist who has worked hard.
Having said that, nothing in cycling pleases me more than Gilbert on the attack
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dougzz wrote:Frenchie, you're in danger of making yourself look ridiculous here. You really have took a strong position defending Valverde in the last few months, even after he was absolutely bang to rights. Doing the same for Bertie makes your position indefensible. You obviously love cycling, and take a great interest in it, don't you think it could be just as good with a level(ish) playing field?
Assuming that Gilbert, Evans, and other's mentioned as being clean are clean, doesn't it make the pulse race even more when they attack, knowing it's real, and that you're watching talent and hard work, not a clever medical program?
The funny thing is that a while back, I seem to remember FF expending quite a lot of energy rubbishing people who were defending LA in much the same style as he is AC.
Eventually leading to posts that basically say "just shut up" (in french this time, whatever's the point of that?) and "you're talking rubbish" to people who obviously aren't.
Sad but I kind of knew it would come to this...0 -
stfc1 wrote:dougzz wrote:knowing it's real, and that you're watching talent and hard work, not a clever medical program?
Whatever else he may or may not have been up to down the years, I don't think even his fiercest critic could claim that Contador is not a talented cyclist who has worked hard.
Having said that, nothing in cycling pleases me more than Gilbert on the attack
Gilbert is a great guy to watch, and (please please) hopefully is clean.
Sure Bertie has been an exceptional cyclist so far. But given his history is it exceptional talent, or an exceptional program. I don't know, but you look at the people he's ridden for, his responses to the doping questions, and the storm blowing now, it just all feels very wrong.0 -
Yes it was predicted on page one of this thread I believe.bompington wrote:The funny thing is that a while back, I seem to remember FF expending quite a lot of energy rubbishing people who were defending LA in much the same style as he is AC.
Eventually leading to posts that basically say "just shut up" (in french this time, whatever's the point of that?) and "you're talking rubbish" to people who obviously aren't.
Sad but I kind of knew it would come to this...
As a relative new boy to this part of the forum I did not know what the fuss was about. I do now however. Quite entertaining actually all this reposte and misguided counter.
I feel sure FF is on Bertie's payroll.
Kind of like a cheap n cheerful (well maybe not cheerful) defence barrister you get assigned at the local nick at 2am after a night in the cells for being drunk and disorderly.
Or in this case after injecting bovril into your veins.Can I upgrade???0 -
bompington wrote:dougzz wrote:Frenchie, you're in danger of making yourself look ridiculous here. You really have took a strong position defending Valverde in the last few months, even after he was absolutely bang to rights. Doing the same for Bertie makes your position indefensible. You obviously love cycling, and take a great interest in it, don't you think it could be just as good with a level(ish) playing field?
Assuming that Gilbert, Evans, and other's mentioned as being clean are clean, doesn't it make the pulse race even more when they attack, knowing it's real, and that you're watching talent and hard work, not a clever medical program?
The funny thing is that a while back, I seem to remember FF expending quite a lot of energy rubbishing people who were defending LA in much the same style as he is AC.
Eventually leading to posts that basically say "just shut up" (in french this time, whatever's the point of that?) and "you're talking rubbish" to people who obviously aren't.
Sad but I kind of knew it would come to this...
the one thing is most of the LA bashers now have their energy divided with bashing Contador...
FF is very picky on which doper he hates, like many on here...and very selective about when your doping amnesty ends-July 1999 mostly. TTN to draw such distinctions! 0 -
Good piece by Lionle Birniee in CW on this. Contador really looks cooked this time - the plastic in the blood doesn't help at all. The whole thing stinks.
I could all be so much easier if the UCI handled it better.When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.0 -
Frenchfighter, I think a little more consistency is required. You are the first to berate LA's fanboys, but you are coming across as an equivalent but in Betrie's corner.
The rules state that if you are found with an illegal substance in your system, then you are guilty. On that basis Contador should be suspended. Case closed!!0 -
bompington wrote:Sad but I kind of knew it would come to this...
You are mis-informed which isnt surprising. All you need to do is go through all the doping posts this year and particularly those on LA to see for yourself that I hardly ever post on them. Old news which doesn't interest me. It appears that the only time I see you on Pro Race is ona doping thread...Contador is the Greatest0 -
Hooray! my first cyber-stalker!frenchfighter wrote:bompington wrote:Sad but I kind of knew it would come to this...
You are mis-informed which isnt surprising. All you need to do is go through all the doping posts this year and particularly those on LA to see for yourself that I hardly ever post on them. Old news which doesn't interest me. It appears that the only time I see you on Pro Race is ona doping thread...0
