Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

frenchfighter

Sounds like an innocent man. One prepared to sacrifice an incredible amount for what he believes is right.

The whole cycling world will be poorer if it happens.

I'm sorry but you do not say things like this if you are intentionally guilty:
“If they want to analyze every sample that I gave during the Tour in as many labs as they want or if they prefer, they can freeze them and test them again in three or five years with whatever future methods of testing they might have,” Contador said. “They can do what they want. I have nothing to hide.”

Kléber

Don't forget Contador refused a DNA test over Puerto, claiming he was innocent and so there was no need to supply his DNA.

The point here is that of course he's going to defend himself. What matters is that he lets the facts talk rather than rely on talk of chopping his hands off or freezing samples for years to come. If he can find the dodgy butcher and other cuts of the contaminated meat then it looks like he'll walk.

If he can't then he's done for.

micron

Contador says he's prepared to cut both his hands off to prove his innocence - guess we'll be seeing him in the paralympics in 2012 then

Pokerface

micron wrote:

Contador says he's prepared to cut both his hands off to prove his innocence - guess we'll be seeing him in the paralympics in 2012 then

I hope not. I wouldn't want to have to ride against him!

top_bhoy

frenchfighter wrote:

Sounds like an innocent man. One prepared to sacrifice an incredible amount for what he believes is right.

The whole cycling world will be poorer if it happens.

I'm sorry but you do not say things like this if you are intentionally guilty:
“If they want to analyze every sample that I gave during the Tour in as many labs as they want or if they prefer, they can freeze them and test them again in three or five years with whatever future methods of testing they might have,” Contador said. “They can do what they want. I have nothing to hide.”

Grand posturing aimed at the gullible and AC knows it. The allegations AC make go far beyond the boundaries of cycling affecting the wider Spanish economy still reeling from the financial screw-up of the last 2 years. . It's is an interesting case....an entire Spanish beef industry is now at risk because of the AC allegations. Will they will readily roll-over and accept they were providing drugged meat? Lets see who has the deepest pockets....AC, UCI or Spanish beef industry.

rdt

dennisn wrote:

rdt wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

“The UCI has always asked me not to tell this to anyone,” Contador told TV2 Sport. “[The reason was] so it could be resolved in the best way. For it was not a positive event, but a very detailed matter that requires very detailed analysis.”

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5879/ ... z11GwuLwng

With its "cover-up" and "special treatment" intentions laid bare, is it possible the UCI, giving it the benefit of the doubt, is just amateurish, incompetent and clueless? Or is the situation worse than that?

WTF has the world of cycling done to deserve such an organisation?

Remember, this "special treatment" and "cover up" is according to you. It IS possible that they are trying to handle this in a correct and legal manner.

Your reality appears to be different from mine. That is, the reality where those with failed A + B samples are identified and given the task of explaining the situation satisfactorily. In public. e.g. Fuyu Li et al.

dennisn wrote:

As for your "amateurish,........." that sounds like so many other people who watch the games on TV and then claim to know exactly why their team lost, who's to blame for it, how it can be corrected, and that if they were head coach, well, things would be different.

I assume you're being contentious for the sake of it, and that you're not actually putting the case that the UCI are skilled and adept at their role, or arguing their behaviour displays consistency and strong leadership. Unless, as I wrote, your reality is quite different. Which I guess it may well be...

Kléber

micron wrote:

Contador says he's prepared to cut both his hands off to prove his innocence - guess we'll be seeing him in the paralympics in 2012 then

Ahem, where did you get that one from?

dougzz

Isn't it a good thing if he walks away. Rather than have to tolerate an unrepentant doper back too quickly we get shot of him for good Where's the downside for cycling.

Baby Schleck can fight Nibali, Basso and Menchov in next year's tour in the 'Battle of the Clean' :roll:

cframe

via: http://twitter.com/Cyclefilm/status/26326428319

Contador/UCI deal - 3mth suspension. Here is the english translation: http://bit.ly/bvKvoS #procycling

bompington

frenchfighter wrote:

Sounds like an innocent man. One prepared to sacrifice an incredible amount for what he believes is right.

The whole cycling world will be poorer if it happens.

I'm sorry but you do not say things like this if you are intentionally guilty:
“If they want to analyze every sample that I gave during the Tour in as many labs as they want or if they prefer, they can freeze them and test them again in three or five years with whatever future methods of testing they might have,” Contador said. “They can do what they want. I have nothing to hide.”

He maybe hasn't threatened to quit in that way, but hasn't LA been giving it that kind of bluster for years? So he must be innocent as well, right?
And then no-one would possibly go round collecting money for legal action to prove their innocence if they were guilty of doping, would they?

thehairs1970

Contador must be thrilled that Milar has come to his aid. This is a little like Pol Pot defending Robert Mugabe's human rights record.

On a more serious note, I was appalled by the piece by the American magazine editor that appeared on this website. The apparent justification seemed to be that pressure leads cyclists to dope. This is utter rubbish. Sportsmen the world over are under extreme pressure and the majority do not resort to illegal doping to help. Cycling has a big problem and no one knows how to deal with it. Doping is so prevelant in the upper reaches of the sport that it has become the norm and accepted by too many of those who love cycling. It has now reached the stage where it will be almost impossible to prove any rider's innocence as we all secretly believe that it is possible/likely they doped.

I hope, without wishing any ill-will on Contador, that he is pursued as relentlessly as Armstrong has been by the European press. Oh but they won't will they. After all Contador is European and 'a supreme athlete', not (as some would say of Armstrong) a jumped up yank whose talents must be supported by drugs.

Martyn

iainf72

thehairs1970 wrote:

On a more serious note, I was appalled by the piece by the American magazine editor that appeared on this website. The apparent justification seemed to be that pressure leads cyclists to dope. This is utter rubbish. Sportsmen the world over are under extreme pressure and the majority do not resort to illegal doping to help.

Don't they? What proof can you offer to back up that statement?

Puerto contained athletics, tennis and football stars. The AFLD have found evidence of doping in pretty much all sports.

One high profile sport delayed implementing a full WADA code to allow one of the big names to "clean themselves up"

BikingBernie

thehairs1970 wrote:

I hope, without wishing any ill-will on Contador, that he is pursued as relentlessly as Armstrong has been by the European press. Oh but they won't will they. After all Contador is European and 'a supreme athlete', not (as some would say of Armstrong) a jumped up yank whose talents must be supported by drugs.

FFS, this story might well have remained hidden if it wasn't for the pressure brought by the German media, and Germany is in Europe you know... :roll:

slowondefy2

Two articles from sportsscientists.com:

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2010/09 ... itive.html

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2010/10 ... heory.html

liversedge

cframe wrote:

via: http://twitter.com/Cyclefilm/status/26326428319

Contador/UCI deal - 3mth suspension. Here is the english translation: http://bit.ly/bvKvoS #procycling

How credible is that story? a 'deal' and a 3 month ban?

Anonymous

BikingBernie wrote:

thehairs1970 wrote:

I hope, without wishing any ill-will on Contador, that he is pursued as relentlessly as Armstrong has been by the European press. Oh but they won't will they. After all Contador is European and 'a supreme athlete', not (as some would say of Armstrong) a jumped up yank whose talents must be supported by drugs.

FFS, this story might well have remained hidden if it wasn't for the pressure brought by the German media, and Germany is in Europe you know... :roll:

Would you rather another doping scandal remained hidden ? Don't you want the sport to be clean or is it one rule for who you think is worthy and another for whom you publicly detest ?

No_Ta_Doctor

dmclite wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

thehairs1970 wrote:

I hope, without wishing any ill-will on Contador, that he is pursued as relentlessly as Armstrong has been by the European press. Oh but they won't will they. After all Contador is European and 'a supreme athlete', not (as some would say of Armstrong) a jumped up yank whose talents must be supported by drugs.

FFS, this story might well have remained hidden if it wasn't for the pressure brought by the German media, and Germany is in Europe you know... :roll:

Would you rather another doping scandal remained hidden ? Don't you want the sport to be clean or is it one rule for who you think is worthy and another for whom you publicly detest ?

BB is clearly commenting on the idea that Contador will get an easy ride from the press because he's European. It's a nonsense claim.

Anonymous

No tA Doctor wrote:

dmclite wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

thehairs1970 wrote:

I hope, without wishing any ill-will on Contador, that he is pursued as relentlessly as Armstrong has been by the European press. Oh but they won't will they. After all Contador is European and 'a supreme athlete', not (as some would say of Armstrong) a jumped up yank whose talents must be supported by drugs.

FFS, this story might well have remained hidden if it wasn't for the pressure brought by the German media, and Germany is in Europe you know... :roll:

Would you rather another doping scandal remained hidden ? Don't you want the sport to be clean or is it one rule for who you think is worthy and another for whom you publicly detest ?

BB is clearly commenting on the idea that Contador will get an easy ride from the press because he's European. It's a nonsense claim.

Ok, gotcha.

sherer

No tA Doctor wrote:

dmclite wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

thehairs1970 wrote:

I hope, without wishing any ill-will on Contador, that he is pursued as relentlessly as Armstrong has been by the European press. Oh but they won't will they. After all Contador is European and 'a supreme athlete', not (as some would say of Armstrong) a jumped up yank whose talents must be supported by drugs.

FFS, this story might well have remained hidden if it wasn't for the pressure brought by the German media, and Germany is in Europe you know... :roll:

Would you rather another doping scandal remained hidden ? Don't you want the sport to be clean or is it one rule for who you think is worthy and another for whom you publicly detest ?

BB is clearly commenting on the idea that Contador will get an easy ride from the press because he's European. It's a nonsense claim.

Does make you wonder about things though. LA was allowed to get away with things and protected by the UCI if we believe everything we hear. Apparently this was because the UCI wanted to open up the US market and make more money.

Menchov was linked to the human plasma clinic in Austria but again the huge Russian market means nothing was done with that case either.

Spain already has a big cycling following and always will therefore it is safer to go after their riders as it won't have as big an impact financially.

Not sure what would be better a sport like cycling where they try and catch the cheats or one like football where the tests don't look for everything and buries it's head in the sand about the problem

No_Ta_Doctor

Pokerface wrote:

micron wrote:

Contador says he's prepared to cut both his hands off to prove his innocence - guess we'll be seeing him in the paralympics in 2012 then

I hope not. I wouldn't want to have to ride against him!

Yorkman

David Walsh's article in yesterdays Sunday Times held nothing back, tore into Contador as being as dirty as it gets, revealing some stuff from Puerto investigations and also the Liberty Seguros team that i hadn't read before.

Especially the assessment of Puerto by experienced investigators who conclude Contador was systematically transfusing with Fuentes.

mrushton

interesting bit on Innerring today regarding UCI and rule bending

redrobbo

Sadly the Sunday Times is part of team Murdoch and also 'as dirty as it gets'.

pb21

Is he seriously going to effectively get off scot free?!?!

:roll:

Gazzaputt

frenchfighter wrote:

Sounds like an innocent man. One prepared to sacrifice an incredible amount for what he believes is right..”

Sounds more like a desperate man to me trying anything he can to keep his head above water.

No_Ta_Doctor

Yorkman wrote:

David Walsh's article in yesterdays Sunday Times held nothing back, tore into Contador as being as dirty as it gets, revealing some stuff from Puerto investigations and also the Liberty Seguros team that i hadn't read before.

Especially the assessment of Puerto by experienced investigators who conclude Contador was systematically transfusing with Fuentes.

Pity it's behind the Murdoch paywall :-(

BikingBernie

Yorkman wrote:

David Walsh's article in yesterdays Sunday Times held nothing back, tore into Contador as being as dirty as it gets, revealing some stuff from Puerto investigations and also the Liberty Seguros team that i hadn't read before. Especially the assessment of Puerto by experienced investigators who conclude Contador was systematically transfusing with Fuentes.

Walsh? Pah! He only write this sort of stuff because he hates Armstrong, it has nothing to do with doping. Oh, hang on a minute...

frenchfighter

At last I find some calculations (see end for complexity). Place as much trust in them as you want.

http://martinbudden.wordpress.com/2010/ ... -bad-meat/

I agree here too:
In my view the UCI’s reticence on the blood doping issue is inexcusable. Both in fairness to Contador and for their own credibility they must release the results of any blood doping tests they have made on Contador.

Contador dis-believers - what have you got in your arsenal?

DaveyL

frenchfighter wrote:

At last I find some calculations (see end for complexity). Place as much trust in them as you want.

http://martinbudden.wordpress.com/2010/ ... -bad-meat/

I agree here too:
In my view the UCI’s reticence on the blood doping issue is inexcusable. Both in fairness to Contador and for their own credibility they must release the results of any blood doping tests they have made on Contador.

Contador dis-believers - what have you got in your arsenal?

A rider who, since the age of 16, has been on teams linked to Manolo Saiz and Johan Bruyneel. A rider whose intials are in the Operacion Puerto documents. A 62 kg climber who can beat the Olympic pursuit champion over a flat 8 km TT. A rider who put out ~ 7 Watts/kg at Verbier last year. A rider who has won several Grand Tours in an era where almost every other GT winner has tested positive or been implicated in doping. Yet he has beaten all of these riders.

A rider who has now tested positive for clenbuterol.

Do you want more?

iainf72

You forgot "A rider who responded to all questios about doping with 'next question'"