What do you people do for a living?
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I think it's been going on since far before the "last" government came into power. As long as I can remember, there's always been a push, or an expectation for every schoolkid to become a graduate and end up working in an office of some sort, administering one thing or another. Education establishments have long looked down their noses at people who want to pursue a skilled trade.
Blaming the "last" government, or "this" government is pointless, ultimately they're all fu**ing useless.0 -
Working in an office doesn't stop wealth being created. Services that require little materials can create the most profit and with that come taxes so long as there is a customer base for the service.0
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im a machinist.0
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I agree 100% with all parties being useless and only interested in their own gains rather than the country as a whole. Labour are now backing the unions with a winter of discontent. Who benefits from that because from past examples of this action more people lost jobs, everyone suffered and industries could no longer compete with foreign businesses.0
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Im a student at 6th form, jobless and moneyless....help??0
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4th last job i worked for an international arms dealer
3rd last job I worked for airline Co.
2nd last job I worked as a seller
Current job I work for a company that build nukes.0 -
We still need goods, and food though. And if the vast majority of those are bought from outside then it can't ever be a good thing. We need "things" to survive, not accountants, salespeople and clerks.CraigXXL wrote:Working in an office doesn't stop wealth being created. Services that require little materials can create the most profit and with that come taxes so long as there is a customer base for the service.0 -
Agreed^^^0
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Happy Harry wrote:Does anybody in this Country actually make anything any more?
Yes.0 -
Do you count yourself amongst those jobs we don't need as you don't make anything.0
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weescott wrote:Tartanyak wrote:Do softwarey type programs count as making the stuffs?
Software type programs don't make anything. The peoples who is makings the software don't living in the UK. Those who do are geeks who have no social interaction apart from WOW.
The people behind Google, Ebay, Facebook, Tesco, Argos and many other businesses might say different as would their shareholders and pension companies that have invested peoples contributions into them.0 -
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You're a sound engineer aren't you? A cog in a machine so to speak that produces an end product much like the clerk, saleperson and accountant. Without those people you would have product made by a business that wasn't sold to anyone, who's cost would spiral because there was no one looking after it's administration and penalised by HMRC for not abiding by the law.0
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I know my job is not a neccesity, don't get me wrong, we're not exactly doctors, or butchers. but without folks like me you would have no television shows, no cds or mp3s, no radio, no computer games, no ipods, no headphones and so on.CraigXXL wrote:You're a sound engineer aren't you? A cog in a machine so to speak that produces an end product much like the clerk, saleperson and accountant. Without those people you would have product made by a business that wasn't sold to anyone, who's cost would spiral because there was no one looking after it's administration and penalised by HMRC for not abiding by the law.
So, whilst we create very few tangible "things", the by product of our role is that things are made that could not otherwise be.
We also fix things, and given enough time, create various things like amplifiers, EQs, compressors and so on.0 -
I never said your job wasn't required but tried to point out that anyone who contributes (not merely employed) within a company that makes something or provides a service that is required by others for a fee is part of the economy.
My comments on the public sector relate to the fact that yes we need the services so long as we can afford them, we don't need stupid consultants and quangos that don't contribute to a better service to the end user.0 -
No, I never said you did, I was just stating that I do understand my importance in the whole "pecking order"CraigXXL wrote:I never said your job wasn't required but tried to point out that anyone who contributes (not merely employed) within a company that makes something or provides a service that is required by others for a fee is part of the economy.
My comments on the public sector relate to the fact that yes we need the services so long as we can afford them, we don't need stupid consultants and quangos that don't contribute to a better service to the end user.
I have to disagree on the necessity of the public sector services though.
Yes, we need those services, but there are far too many people employed to do the simplest of tasks, where simplifications would likely be of greater benefit. But, in all likelihood, creating public sector jobs leads to lower unemployment figures, making the active government look good.0 -
We do need consultants. The problem is using consultants from the fear of not getting good VFM and in the end not getting good VFM because of the cost of consultants. The problem of how jobs are valued stems from political inadequacy. Less of the Tory boy and more John Prescott's.0
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yeehaamcgee wrote:
No, I never said you did, I was just stating that I do understand my importance in the whole "pecking order"CraigXXL wrote:I never said your job wasn't required but tried to point out that anyone who contributes (not merely employed) within a company that makes something or provides a service that is required by others for a fee is part of the economy.
My comments on the public sector relate to the fact that yes we need the services so long as we can afford them, we don't need stupid consultants and quangos that don't contribute to a better service to the end user.
I have to disagree on the necessity of the public sector services though.
Yes, we need those services, but there are far too many people employed to do the simplest of tasks, where simplifications would likely be of greater benefit. But, in all likelihood, creating public sector jobs leads to lower unemployment figures, making the active government look good.
You want to talk about the public sector?
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The public sector would never be at risk under a communist regime :roll: :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ution.html0 -
So manufacturing was hit harder than other industries by the recession. And despite having large(r) manufacturing sectors in the past, we still had recessions. So how exactly does a manufacturing industry prevent recession? And who decides if a job is worthy or not? Is it only a proper job if you're bashing bits of metal together? Or are we going for the Daily Mail attitude of anyone who's below me is an undereducated schmuck and anyone above me is overpaid and underworked? 0
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yeehaamcgee wrote:
Who exactly has bought that up?bails87 wrote:Or are we going for the Daily Mail attitude of anyone who's below me is an undereducated schmuck and anyone above me is overpaid and underworked?
Muppet. :roll:
Note the and
Cheers,
Bails.0 -
bails87 wrote:So manufacturing was hit harder than other industries by the recession. And despite having large(r) manufacturing sectors in the past, we still had recessions. So how exactly does a manufacturing industry prevent recession? And who decides if a job is worthy or not? Is it only a proper job if you're bashing bits of metal together? Or are we going for the Daily Mail attitude of anyone who's below me is an undereducated schmuck and anyone above me is overpaid and underworked? I think you are mistaking the Daily Fail with The Sun. 0
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Yeehaa, thats true that governments can do that and effectively buy votes. Public sector services are some of the least effiecient you'll ever come across and part of this is due to the large influence of the unions on them. I speak from experience on this point where some of my collegues would turn up to work do about an hours work a day but as soon as any kind of displinary action was mentioned they would be off work with stress for 6 months and the management dare not touch them. This is why I left it because I was the one stressed from doing my work and others. The unions are only concerned with there own power at the moment as they don't have much effect in the private sector now and public sector employment directly effects them. They are saying they are doing it for the benefit of the whole country but they did very little when the so many big employers went to the wall putting hunreds of 1000's on the dole queue during the credit crunch.
I count everyone' job as important so long as they are contributing rather than just clocking in and out if they aren't then sack them and create a position for someone who does want to work.0 -
weescott wrote:bails87 wrote:So manufacturing was hit harder than other industries by the recession. And despite having large(r) manufacturing sectors in the past, we still had recessions. So how exactly does a manufacturing industry prevent recession? And who decides if a job is worthy or not? Is it only a proper job if you're bashing bits of metal together? Or are we going for the Daily Mail attitude of anyone who's below me is an undereducated schmuck and anyone above me is overpaid and underworked? I think you are mistaking the Daily Fail with The Sun.
But only builders read the sun! 0 -
I agree with that completely.CraigXXL wrote:I count everyone' job as important so long as they are contributing rather than just clocking in and out if they aren't then sack them and create a position for someone who does want to work.
I just feel that we have too much administrative people, and not enough people actually working.0
