Incoming - tube strike
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chaos at the bike parking outside my office this morning - even the harder to get to bike racks which are normally empty were jam packed.
pfft. :roll:
still there's rain forecast tonight :twisted:0 -
notsoblue wrote:MadammeMarie wrote:Headhuunter wrote:If it really were the case that tube workers were downtrodden members of the proletariat then fine but the fact is their self serving unions have londoners over a barrel and workers already have some of the best working conditions in the city! And bob crow has just been voted an inflation busting pay rise himself
And arent' those working conditions worth protecting?
Exactly. I don't buy this common opinion that workers with good working conditions don't have a right to defend them. Many people feel resentment of other's situations and would rather criticise them than seek to improve their own.
+1. Also, Headhuunter, most people in the city don't work in tunnels hundreds of feet below the surface. Your idea of "best working conditions" is pretty f*cked up.0 -
On a cycling note - be careful of the nodders. The last time I came off was when a strike dodger took me out with crazy direction changes. I am going to give everyone a wide berth tomorrow.0
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Perhaps you should have gone on the Skyride as a warm upwoodford2barbican wrote:On a cycling note - be careful of the nodders. The last time I came off was when a strike dodger took me out with crazy direction changes. I am going to give everyone a wide berth tomorrow.
As I understand it there are two reasons people might have cycled in today. One is that two lines (Jubilee & Northern, I think) have a separate dispute where action was started Sunday evening; and the other is that the action starts at 5pm tonight for some staff and 9pm for other staff, so people are hedging against getting stuck this evening.
... or maybe they're just practicing for tomorrow
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Roads were all wrong this morning. Could be the strike. Could be the end of the holidays. Could be me.0
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Ave wages of a tube driver? £40k
Number of days holiday? 43 days
shocking conditions, how can we treat them so badly?0 -
woodford2barbican wrote:strike dodger
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georgee wrote:Ave wages of a tube driver? £40k
Number of days holiday? 43 days
shocking conditions, how can we treat them so badly?
Why not try and improve your own situation rather than resentfully wish lesser conditions for others?0 -
notsoblue wrote:georgee wrote:Ave wages of a tube driver? £40k
Number of days holiday? 43 days
shocking conditions, how can we treat them so badly?
Why not try and improve your own situation rather than resentfully wish lesser conditions for others?
My situation would be improved by having the tubes running-
Oh no wait I cycle, don't give a crap. I've got to say, now that I give £1200 less a year to the Bob Crow Retirement Fund I've become a lot more ambivalent about the whole thing. Although he really does come across as a horrible man, would it kill them to have a more charismatic front man?FCN - 10
Cannondale Bad Boy Solo with baggies.0 -
I think the only clear answer is a Bob Crow vs. Borris Cage match.
As for my previous post, I do not wish them any lessor conditions, I just don't see a need to make life difficult to lessor paid workers who rely on them. Luckily I have an early meeting tomorrow morning so I can escape the amatures on the roads in.
But fingers crossed, they enjoy it and improve and join the ranks of us who have seen the light.0 -
notsoblue wrote:georgee wrote:Ave wages of a tube driver? £40k
Number of days holiday? 43 days
shocking conditions, how can we treat them so badly?
Why not try and improve your own situation rather than resentfully wish lesser conditions for others?
I think the point is that their conditions are perfectly adequate and can't justify a strike - other than as an attempt to extort job security or wage increases when the private sector isn't in a position to do so.
I'd sack the whole lot of them - plenty of people looking for jobs who'd be grateful for the chance!0 -
its nice to be immune to the strike with two wheels. Plus I was going make excuse today and not ride in, but the news reminded me of the strike so out came the bike.
In terms of the politics of it. Well Bob Crow's remit is to protect the jobs of the people who pay their subs to his union each month and not to customers. He'll quote safety or other reasons as his angle in the media war and not as genuine reason.
Oyster has automated many tasks and so the same numbers of people aren't needed. Just as when ticket barriers first came in the union kept people in work by getting them to watch the barriers using the same safety argument that managed to keep guards on tube trains years after they weren't needed or even drivers on trains that are automated.
TfL is massively bloated at the HQ level and perks like free travel for family members cost a mint.0 -
W1 wrote:notsoblue wrote:georgee wrote:Ave wages of a tube driver? £40k
Number of days holiday? 43 days
shocking conditions, how can we treat them so badly?
Why not try and improve your own situation rather than resentfully wish lesser conditions for others?
I think the point is that their conditions are perfectly adequate and can't justify a strike - other than as an attempt to extort job security or wage increases when the private sector isn't in a position to do so.
I'd sack the whole lot of them - plenty of people looking for jobs who'd be grateful for the chance!
This.
There comes a point when trying to improve your conditions becomes pure greed. I think Bob Crow and his lot of passed that a while ago.Mud - Genesis Vapour CCX
Race - Fuji Norcom Straight
Sun - Cervelo R3
Winter / Commute - Dolan ADX0 -
FCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
"Exactly."0 -
Asprilla wrote:W1 wrote:notsoblue wrote:georgee wrote:Ave wages of a tube driver? £40k
Number of days holiday? 43 days
shocking conditions, how can we treat them so badly?
Why not try and improve your own situation rather than resentfully wish lesser conditions for others?
I think the point is that their conditions are perfectly adequate and can't justify a strike - other than as an attempt to extort job security or wage increases when the private sector isn't in a position to do so.
I'd sack the whole lot of them - plenty of people looking for jobs who'd be grateful for the chance!
This.
There comes a point when trying to improve your conditions becomes pure greed. I think Bob Crow and his lot of passed that a while ago.
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Full details have now emerged of Transport for London's plans to cut 800 posts across the capital and insiders say as many as three-quarters of the staff at Hampstead and Highgate tube station offices could be culled by February next year, prompting fears over how emergencies could be dealt with adequately.
Two members of London Underground staff, who both asked not to be identified, told the Ham&High this week that there are genuine fears about how the cuts will affect stations that are "already understaffed", and that safety is a major concern.
Another insider told the Ham&High that staff would soon be on strike over job cuts and that Highgate is set to lose three out of four ticket office staff.
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/content/camden ... :37:09:3730 -
Unfortunately, increased manning is not the solution to the apparent problem of "notoriously unreliable" lifts. Better lifts is.FCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
"Exactly."0 -
prj45 wrote:Full details have now emerged of Transport for London's plans to cut 800 posts across the capital and insiders say as many as three-quarters of the staff at Hampstead and Highgate tube station offices could be culled by February next year, prompting fears over how emergencies could be dealt with adequately.
Two members of London Underground staff, who both asked not to be identified, told the Ham&High this week that there are genuine fears about how the cuts will affect stations that are "already understaffed", and that safety is a major concern.
Another insider told the Ham&High that staff would soon be on strike over job cuts and that Highgate is set to lose three out of four ticket office staff.
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/content/camden ... :37:09:373
Typical irresponsible journalism. :roll:
Tube staff won't be getting people out of stopped lifts, for goodness sake.0 -
When there was a Tube strike last year, I seem to remember about 20 pages of (increasingly bitter) posts being created. Wonder if that total will be exceeded this time around...?0
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Seems like the strangest forum on which you'd expect there to be posts complaining about a tube strike on...0
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Really? It's road chaos every time. Loads of people travelling on london's roads who don't know where they're going... Well, more than normal.notsoblue wrote:Seems like the strangest forum on which you'd expect there to be posts complaining about a tube strike on...0 -
JonGinge wrote:
Really? It's road chaos every time. Loads of people travelling on london's roads who don't know where they're going... Well, more than normal.notsoblue wrote:Seems like the strangest forum on which you'd expect there to be posts complaining about a tube strike on...
But we all want more people to commute to work by bike, right?
Actually, I'll be surprised if there are that many more cyclists given the weather forecast for tomorrow.0 -
Wasn't talking about cyclistsnotsoblue wrote:JonGinge wrote:
Really? It's road chaos every time. Loads of people travelling on london's roads who don't know where they're going... Well, more than normal.notsoblue wrote:Seems like the strangest forum on which you'd expect there to be posts complaining about a tube strike on...
But we all want more people to commute to work by bike, right?
Actually, I'll be surprised if there are that many more cyclists given the weather forecast for tomorrow. There may be more cyclists and, indeed, there were quite a few more during the last strikes but most people will just get in their cars. Then they'll get irate when they can't find anywhere to park. 0 -
JonGinge wrote:
Wasn't talking about cyclistsnotsoblue wrote:JonGinge wrote:
Really? It's road chaos every time. Loads of people travelling on london's roads who don't know where they're going... Well, more than normal.notsoblue wrote:Seems like the strangest forum on which you'd expect there to be posts complaining about a tube strike on...
But we all want more people to commute to work by bike, right?
Actually, I'll be surprised if there are that many more cyclists given the weather forecast for tomorrow. There may be more cyclists and, indeed, there were quite a few more during the last strikes but most people will just get in their cars. Then they'll get irate when they can't find anywhere to park.
lol, I see. Tbh, I don't remember it being too much of an issue the last time it happened. We'll see 0 -
The skies have darkened.
The storms are coming.
Hopefully won't put of any new bike commuters 0
