RLJ - don't do it
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I don't RLJ sorta.... What I am guilty of is kicking off in the time gap between the opposing lights being red and mine clicking to green when I can see that the opposing traffic is either stopped or not there particularly when turning right. I only do this purely to get a 1s jump on the traffic so I can get my feet in the straps and the power down rather than holding up the cars behind me.
Not really RLJing? more anticipating the lights? Or does this lump me in with RLJers?
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MatHammond wrote:biondino wrote:MatHammond wrote:Fair enough, don't RLJ when there are people crossing / waiting to cross or when there is other traffic coming. Otherwise, it remains a grey area. Next.
Don't be a tw4t, fella. You're a proper rider. Set an example.
I'm actually pretty well behaved these days, but there are certain sets of lights where it just seems pointless to wait. Mostly I will though, but I'll then see loads of people cycle past me and I'll be thinking "what am I waiting for?" :?
Back to the OP, I think you can reasonably separate riding like a tw*t from jumping red lights - you can do the latter without the former, but that is just my opinion.
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biondino wrote:Sorry, are any studies done on whether cyclists run more red lights than motorists? Are you mental? I know it's an anecdote but in 10,000 odd miles of riding, I would say maybe 50% of cyclists RLJ to 1% of vehicles (amber is a different matter I accept). No, I don't have accurate figures, but I'd say it's safe to say cyclists RLJ approximately 5000% more than vehicles. Hope that helps.
This is, I suspect, complete nonsense (except the acknowledgement that it's anecdotal).0 -
SimonAH wrote:I don't RLJ sorta.... What I am guilty of is kicking off in the time gap between the opposing lights being red and mine clicking to green when I can see that the opposing traffic is either stopped or not there particularly when turning right. I only do this purely to get a 1s jump on the traffic so I can get my feet in the straps and the power down rather than holding up the cars behind me.
Not really RLJing? more anticipating the lights? Or does this lump me in with RLJers?
Of course I could just work on my trackstanding I guess......
+1, I do this. But technically its RLJ, so you're just as bad as the guy who knocked over the OP's colleague. Apparently.0 -
SimonAH wrote:I don't RLJ sorta.... What I am guilty of is kicking off in the time gap between the opposing lights being red and mine clicking to green when I can see that the opposing traffic is either stopped or not there particularly when turning right. I only do this purely to get a 1s jump on the traffic so I can get my feet in the straps and the power down rather than holding up the cars behind me.
Not really RLJing? more anticipating the lights? Or does this lump me in with RLJers?
Of course I could just work on my trackstanding I guess......
I have to admit I do this fairly often when trying to get across a busy junction before the traffic behind me & occasionally when there's nothing around - cars/ pedestrians/whatever, i'll pootle through a red light. As Whitney Houston might say, it's not right, but it's ok (as long as there are no pedestrians/traffic around who do have right of way).Moda Issimo
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Monkeypump wrote:MatHammond wrote:biondino wrote:MatHammond wrote:Fair enough, don't RLJ when there are people crossing / waiting to cross or when there is other traffic coming. Otherwise, it remains a grey area. Next.
Don't be a tw4t, fella. You're a proper rider. Set an example. I'm actually pretty well behaved these days, but there are certain sets of lights where it just seems pointless to wait. Mostly I will though, but I'll then see loads of people cycle past me and I'll be thinking "what am I waiting for?" :?
Back to the OP, I think you can reasonably separate riding like a tw*t from jumping red lights - you can do the latter without the former, but that is just my opinion.
Agree with MH 100%
Disagree 100%. And more to the point, RLJing makes us all look like tw*ts.0 -
Regarding the 'cars do it' argument, there's quite a difference between dashing through a 'late amber' and completely ignoring a red.
Not legally, no, but in the eyes of Joe Public it's why there's such an objection to cyclists RLJ-ing.
MatHammond, I'm with biondino on this one. What are you waiting for? The lights to change. We all know you're fast enough to catch the other riders up.
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This is true. Dashing through an amber light is potentially much more dangerous.lost_in_thought wrote:Regarding the 'cars do it' argument, there's quite a difference between dashing through a 'late amber' and completely ignoring a red.
That's what you meant isn't it? :P0 -
_Brun_ wrote:
This is true. Dashing through an amber light is potentially much more dangerous.lost_in_thought wrote:Regarding the 'cars do it' argument, there's quite a difference between dashing through a 'late amber' and completely ignoring a red.
That's what you meant isn't it? :P
Yes, yes it is, especially if you're a car. But no, that's not what I meant, as well you know.0 -
I should add that jumping red lights in a manner than endangers correctly behaved pedestrians is worse than being a paedophile.0
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MatHammond wrote:Otherwise, it remains a grey area.
No it's not. It's the law. Printed, mainly, in black and white.
RLJ=wrong
No RLJ=right.
No argument.___________________________________________
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Any cyclists who think they're ever justified to RLJ are morons - it's not big and it's not clever, and it's never ok. Except in your own tiny minds.
'Cyclists' don't deserve to be respected as road users if they can't respect the rules of the road.
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Ah, this takes me back.
I heard that Naomi Campbell RLJ's on her way to the diamond market.Not climber, not sprinter, not rouleur0 -
_Brun_ wrote:I should add that jumping red lights in a manner than endangers correctly behaved pedestrians is worse than being a paedophile.
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glauciaregina9 wrote:_Brun_ wrote:I should add that jumping red lights in a manner than endangers correctly behaved pedestrians is worse than being a paedophile.
Utterly ridiculous comment.
So obvioulsy ridiculous that it could (must) be sarcasm....Not climber, not sprinter, not rouleur0 -
Dudu wrote:MatHammond wrote:Otherwise, it remains a grey area.
No it's not. It's the law. Printed, mainly, in black and white.
RLJ=wrong
No RLJ=right.
No argument.
Unfortunately, there are people out there who are somehow baffled by the simplicity of this reality, or are just to pig-headed and arrogant...Earn Cashback @ Wiggle, CRC, Evans, AW Cycles, Alpine Bikes, ProBikeKit, Cycles UK :
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Stuey01 wrote:Ah, this takes me back.
I heard that Naomi Campbell RLJ's on her way to the diamond market.
Mussolini made the trains run on time by telling them to RLJ.0 -
Unfortunately, I suspect those cyclists who consciously RLJ are too self-righteous and/or arrogant to acknowledge it's wrong and will just keep on doing it ...
As with all walks of life, there's the 'wanker' element who tarnish it for everyone else ...0 -
lost_in_thought wrote:Stuey01 wrote:Ah, this takes me back.
I heard that Naomi Campbell RLJ's on her way to the diamond market.
Mussolini made the trains run on time by telling them to RLJ.
That ball that Hitler lost? result of an acccident following him RLJing on Kensington Gore.0 -
Crikey, I'm glad I got in early on this one - where's Headhuunter when you need him?!0
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Red Light Jumpers cause Global Warming
are all members of Al Qaeda
throw cats in bins
and auto-tune their wheels....Chunky Cyclists need your love too! :-)
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Kieran_Burns wrote:Red Light Jumpers cause Global Warming
are all members of Al Qaeda
throw cats in bins
and auto-tune their wheels....
I did once shoot a cat - does that count?!0 -
MatHammond wrote:Kieran_Burns wrote:Red Light Jumpers cause Global Warming
are all members of Al Qaeda
throw cats in bins
and auto-tune their wheels....
I did once shoot a cat - does that count?!
Out of a cannon, through a RL?0 -
Stuey01 wrote:Ah, this takes me back.
It's been a while though...0 -
I'm sure someone once raised the "if a tree falls in the forest..." point with regard to RLJing.
So I RLJ in the middle of nowhere, with no sign of traffic or peds. Nowhere else. Yes, I'm happy to part of THAT w*nker element - it's called being practical.0 -
Dudu wrote:MatHammond wrote:Otherwise, it remains a grey area.
No it's not. It's the law. Printed, mainly, in black and white.
RLJ=wrong
No RLJ=right.
No argument.
Except you are confusing right and wrong with legal and illegal“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Monkeypump wrote:I'm sure someone once raised the "if a tree falls in the forest..." point with regard to RLJing.
So I RLJ in the middle of nowhere, with no sign of traffic or peds. Nowhere else. Yes, I'm happy to part of THAT w*nker element - it's called being practical.
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