Bulldog chewing a wasp thread

Greg T

supersonic wrote:

The workshop section does seem very quiet compared to the road and mtb sections. I take this to mean hybrids are much more reliable.

I am loving your work!

DonDaddyD

supersonic wrote:

BUT what we do want is a section for serious discussions and questions where people would rather it not go off at a tangent.

Almost every discussion worth having evolves into another subject. That's just the art of having a conversation.

Discussion forums with threads containing discussions are no different. It's unreasonable to expect them to. After all, humans are particpating in them.

I bring you back to my point about stifiling the human nature of socialising.

iDD'D wrote:

Fine, but I think the problem resides with those who either take themselves (and online engagement) far too seriously, have difficulty socialising or who are intollerant to extroverted personalities. To actually want to stifle the very human instinct to socialise is absurd.

supersonic

But you are not looking at the needs of some posters who want to have a serious discussion, serious advice and that is it. You are just looking at what you want!

whyamihere

Not every thread in a forum like this is supposed to be a conversation. That's the vital point you're missing.

Also, if you're still insisting that we're trying to stifle the urge to socialise, I suggest that you actually read our replies, as we have told you time and time again why this is not the case.

tailwindhome

I don't mean to tell tales but


GREG T POSTED IN COMMUTING GENERAL


The war is over!



Again thanks for engaging in conversation with me DDD

I'll stay outside with the dog.

Greg T

TailWindHome wrote:

I don't mean to tell tales but

GREG T POSTED IN COMMUTING GENERAL

The war is over!

.

The exception proved the rule.

You see he needs to be in here rather than guys telling him to buy a hybrid with furrowed brows.

supersonic

It is warning to know that DDD did actually think like 'us' once ;-):

DonDaddyD wrote:

A Commuting Campaigns section.

A section where we annouce accidents, casualties. and discuss press reports both positive and negative and any other campaigns (ones we endorse or don't) related specifically to commuting.

If such a section was created even I would treat it with all seriousness and respect.

Personally I do think as commuters we have a duty to support each other and be heard to better the commuting experience for all cyclists. When I saw those negative cyclists groups on facebook and Bikeradar's attempts to rally this section into posting positive responses (probably to coincide with the publication of that article in Cycling Plus) I felt dissapointed that the creator of the thread, M.Cole, was flamed. I felt we should have shown more solidarity and while this section is much loved fun by myself we could use our incredible size to attempt to make a difference. We could be a powerful resource.

And no the bikeradar admin haven't promised me a Moderators role (they should for the new section), new bike (why not?) or are holding a gun to my head for writing this. My writing this is mostly inspired by OldSchoolKona's continued effort to raise awareness to the plight that we all face daily.

I don't think this section should be reduced to a Cake stop though. I just think a profile promotion for the more serious socio-political cycle commuting issues.

DonDaddyD

Sonic wrote:

But you are not looking at the needs of some posters who want to have a serious discussion, serious advice and that is it. You are just looking at what you want!

I've stated clearly many times what I think the larger proportion of the online community wants. I consider myself a part of that online community. I consider it as I am writing this. If the majoroty of the collective community was to say otherwise then I would concede.

The need was:
i) A place for new members not to be ignored.
i) A place for advice, buying and otherwise to be heard

You created another forum. Fine.

You cannot dictate the course of a discussion so to take away serious/sensible communiting threads from here when it was part of what made this section tick seems unfair and highly autocratic.

why wrote:

Not every thread in a forum like this is supposed to be a conversation. That's the vital point you're missing.

I really do not think I am. I think I've clearly explained what needed to be catered for.

I actually think you are missing the point. You can guide the discussion i.e. "this forum is about commuting". You cannot dictate how people engage. It appears you are trying to do this by claiming that a whole section is for threads that must remain on the subject of the original post. That I think is unreasonable. You think otherwise, I can accept that.

Also, if you're still insisting that we're trying to stifle the urge to socialise, I suggest that you actually read our replies, as we have told you time and time again why this is not the case.

I've read the replies:

Why wrote: Please, however, do us a favour and stop pulling out this silly idea that we're trying to stop people from making friends. We're not.

Sonic wrote: But has it been stifled? You can still be as extroverted as you wish. No one has took that away. I think socialising is great on forums, it works in the Road and MTB sections in the relevant areas.

I thank you for taking the time to reply and read what I wrote but then you post this:

Sonic wrote: BUT what we do want is a section for serious commuting discussions and questions where people would rather it not go off at a tangent.

Why wrote: Not every thread in a forum like this is supposed to be a conversation.

And we are back to stifiling because while you may claim that you are not your actions, which I don't think is intentional implies that you are or will.

But we are going back and forth.

In your infinity wisdom you valued and considered the entire communiting section when those who complained loudest and most were sated.

So yeah lets agree to disagree.

lost_in_thought

supersonic wrote:

It is warning to know that DDD did actually think like 'us' once ;-):

DonDaddyD wrote:

A Commuting Campaigns section.

A section where we annouce accidents, casualties<snip>.

Now did you mean warMing and wrote warning in a freudian slip? Or did you mean warning?

Either way....

DonDaddyD

supersonic wrote:

It is warning to know that DDD did actually think like 'us' once ;-):

DonDaddyD wrote:

A Commuting Campaigns section.

A section where we annouce accidents, casualties. and discuss press reports both positive and negative and any other campaigns (ones we endorse or don't) related specifically to commuting.

If such a section was created even I would treat it with all seriousness and respect.

Personally I do think as commuters we have a duty to support each other and be heard to better the commuting experience for all cyclists. When I saw those negative cyclists groups on facebook and Bikeradar's attempts to rally this section into posting positive responses (probably to coincide with the publication of that article in Cycling Plus) I felt dissapointed that the creator of the thread, M.Cole, was flamed. I felt we should have shown more solidarity and while this section is much loved fun by myself we could use our incredible size to attempt to make a difference. We could be a powerful resource.

And no the bikeradar admin haven't promised me a Moderators role (they should for the new section), new bike (why not?) or are holding a gun to my head for writing this. My writing this is mostly inspired by OldSchoolKona's continued effort to raise awareness to the plight that we all face daily.

I don't think this section should be reduced to a Cake stop though. I just think a profile promotion for the more serious socio-political cycle commuting issues.

Yeah, difference is that I asked and if I remember correctly the board said no.

That was back during a time when the online community was listened to and valued. Not just the grumble-bums who complain the most.

Oh and clearly my stance still stands.

supersonic

I've stated clearly many times what I think the larger proportion of the online community wants. I consider myself a part of that online community. I consider it as I am writing this. If the majoroty of the collective community was to say otherwise then I would concede.

And I have stated you are in the minority, based on a previous poll (yes there was one), PMs from people and discussions of admin.

You cannot dictate the course of a discussion so to take away serious/sensible communiting threads from here when it was part of what made this section tick seems unfair and highly autocratic.

Yes we can, if we feel it is going the wrong way. This is why we have moderators. Most of the time we don't have to step in.

If people want a serious commuting discussion and advice discussion they have a place for it. You can still post 'shall I buy part X, Y,Z' in the chat area if you want it to be a read by your friends and it to go OT, banter whatever. BUT NOT ALL POSTERS WANT THAT! Hence they have an area to post seriously, and where other serious issues will be displayed. Like you wanted a long tiome ago.

supersonic

So as far as I can see, you have what you want? A place for serious issues, and a place to chat?

Sonic wrote: BUT what we do want is a section for serious commuting discussions and questions where people would rather it not go off at a tangent.

Why wrote: Not every thread in a forum like this is supposed to be a conversation.

I don't see how that is stifling you. What about what the OP wants? It just seems to me you want to stamp over other peoples threads when they might not want it. If that is called stifling, then we have a very different view on what is going on here.

OldSkoolKona

Was this what spawned Another Cycle Forumand Yet Another Cycle Forum? Which was the original Cycle Forum i wonder...?

Hilarious :? All this wasted effort changing things and upsetting people is just symptomatic of why cycling is so divided and why we never have any effective change. Just think the impact if all the energy that goes into each post went into writing a letter to complain to your council/MP etc about some cycling injustice..

Anyway, I'm in Sheffield pretty regularly (you call then 'ills by 'eck?) so I'll set up an SCR on tour Morpeth style evening there next time for all the cycle commuters up there.

will3

Are we nearly there yet?

supersonic

OldSkoolKona wrote:

Was this what spawned Another Cycle Forumand Yet Another Cycle Forum? Which was the original Cycle Forum i wonder...?

Hilarious :? All this wasted effort changing things and upsetting people is just symptomatic of why cycling is so divided and why we never have any effective change. Just think the impact if all the energy that goes into each post went into writing a letter to complain to your council/MP etc about some cycling injustice..

Anyway, I'm in Sheffield pretty regularly (you call then 'ills by 'eck?) so I'll set up an SCR on tour Morpeth style evening there next time for all the cycle commuters up there.

Sounds good, let me know if near by!

rjsterry

Just a thought: have you actually been over to General, DDD et al? Plenty of regulars over there.

supersonic

rjsterry wrote:

Just a thought: have you actually been over to General, DDD et al? Plenty of regulars over there.

Indeed there are, and as we wanted - light hearted, but good friendly advice and an easy to navigate area.

DonDaddyD

supersonic wrote:

I've stated clearly many times what I think the larger proportion of the online community wants. I consider myself a part of that online community. I consider it as I am writing this. If the majoroty of the collective community was to say otherwise then I would concede.

And I have stated you are in the minority, based on a previous poll (yes there was one), PMs from people and discussions of admin.

What poll where?

People who sent PM's obviously had something to complain about. People who don't send PM's don't have anything complain about. Therefore that is not a proper representation of what the online community wants.

Admin hardly participate.

Sonic wrote:

You cannot dictate the course of a discussion so to take away serious/sensible communiting threads from here when it was part of what made this section tick seems unfair and highly autocratic.

Yes we can, if we feel it is going the wrong way. This is why we have moderators. Most of the time we don't have to step in.

Say that over to yourself in the mirror. You can dictate what I discuss, how I discuss, how I particpate and the course of the discussion I'm having. Is this an open online forum or do you want to tell me what websites I can use and what times I can use this website?

I thought moderators were there to ensure that no one abuses the website and to make sure no offensive content is posted or directed at members.

I was under the impression that members are free to discuss and particpate as they want as long as it didn't break the rules.

Yes staying on topic in a forum is one thing but to demand a thread stays on topic is heavy handed moderating.

If people want a serious commuting discussion and advice discussion they have a place for it. You can still post 'shall I buy part X, Y,Z' in the chat area if you want it to be a read by your friends and it to go OT, banter whatever.

You ridicule by claiming that I want posts to be read by my friends. What friends?

I managed to post a thread about my gears jumping in this section. I managed to get the information I wanted and enjoy a banter. That's all I ask for. Should I post a serious thread because I am a prolific contributer to this section, until you say otherwise, I would like to do so here so I and like minded people can enjoy the same process of sensible answers and lighthearted banter and the possibility and joys of conversation. Socialising should never be ridiculed or dismissed.

BUT NOT ALL POSTERS WANT THAT! Hence they have an area to post seriously, and where other serious issues will be displayed. Like you wanted a long tiome ago.

What I wanted was for this section not to be reduced into a cake stop.

rjsterry

You really don't have much on today do you?

lost_in_thought

rjsterry wrote:

You really don't have much on today do you?

Thanks for that mental image.

things I cannot unsee things I cannot unsee things I cannot unsee things I cannot unsee

DonDaddyD

supersonic wrote:

So as far as I can see, you have what you want? A place for serious issues, and a place to chat?

Sonic wrote: BUT what we do want is a section for serious commuting discussions and questions where people would rather it not go off at a tangent.

Why wrote: Not every thread in a forum like this is supposed to be a conversation.

I don't see how that is stifling you. What about what the OP wants? It just seems to me you want to stamp over other peoples threads when they might not want it. If that is called stifling, then we have a very different view on what is going on here.

Oh please! If I did that I would be a troll and I would have been banned. My most notorious threads are my own. In others I take part in a constructive manner unless the banter has clearly started.

Even in ITB's thread I waited until he bought the bike to rant about Athena being ghey.

Many members have tried to make me a victim of notoriety, I've been through this, the mud doesn't stick to me. Lets not go there.

DonDaddyD

rjsterry wrote:

You really don't have much on today do you?

If you don't like the discussion there are two other forums in this section and this forum is full of other threads for you to participate in.

My activity here is my own and no concern of anyone elses.

nicklouse

lost_in_thought wrote:

DDD wrote:

Nicklouse, one of your own, so abruptly told LiT that the content was user created.

Yeah, I wouldn't have minded an apology for that little tirade.

Lit sorry for being so blunt. But it does seem that we should have some good info coming forward for the sticky.

DDD the fact that this (old name) was becoming more like the cakestop and the memories of other topics and polls and PMs, Admin discussions etc not to mention the want for less stickies in the forum has lead to the current layout.

Carry on a normal and let the "new" people get a toe hold in commuting in the General section.

topic locked.

and similar ones will also be locked.

supersonic

What poll where?

About 6 months ago, when we first discussed this.

People who sent PM's obviously had something to complain about. People who don't send PM's don't have anything complain about. Therefore that is not a proper representation of what the online community wants

Yes usually you ;-)

Say that over to yourself in the mirror. You can dictate what I discuss, how I discuss, how I particpate and the course of the discussion I'm having. Is this an open online forum or do you want to tell me what websites I can use and what times I can use this website?


I thought moderators were there to ensure that no one abuses the website and to make sure no offensive content is posted or directed at members

You have intentionally misread that. But yes, if you break the rules, or take what was a serious thread OT you WILL be moderated, and that applies to all. It does depend on the thread though, which is why we discuss these things And has happens to you before.

Yes staying on topic in a forum is one thing but to demand a thread stays on topic is heavy handed moderating

As above. It isn't always black and white, and we have said this from the start.

I managed to post a thread about my gears jumping in this section. I managed to get the information I wanted and enjoy a banter. That's all I ask for. Should I post a serious thread because I am a prolific contributer to this section, until you say otherwise, I would like to do so here so I and like minded people can enjoy the same process of sensible answers and lighthearted banter and the possibility and joys of conversation. Socialising should never be ridiculed or dismissed.

If you wanted a more serious discussion, then post it in the General section or Workshop. But I say again,there is still light heartedness in these sections - just not the inane banter that can sometimes happen, so if you want that, post in Chat. I, we have NOT stopped this happening.

What I wanted was for this section not to be reduced into a cake stop.

It hasn't. And it isn't all about what just 'you' want.

Oh please! If I did that I would be a troll and I would have been banned. My most notorious threads are my own.

So why are you bothered about this section then? I still fail to see what is stifled. Let the people post there who want to post there and leave them to it!