Bulldog chewing a wasp thread
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DonDaddyD wrote:How's that wasp taste?
I don't think the socialising stuff was overwhelming the board.
If I was a moderator and I should be... (Oooo next thread) And IF I had to I would have seperated out the commuting buying advice into another thread but left everything else.
So you would have
Commuter Buying advice *
Advice about what bike, what bike and what bike. What helemt and lights.
Commuter General
General commuting chat, talk about your daily commute and all other commuter related chat.
Workshop
As it is.
Where would you put the "Car Insurance for a 17 Year Old" Thread?
Maybe why need 4 sections - What you suggest plus a completely off topic area. It's the quantity of Off Topic stuff which was becoming an issue. Nothing to do with socialising, cliques or seriousness
PS loving how this thread has become derailed“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The workshop section does seem very quiet compared to the road and mtb sections. I take this to mean hybrids are much more reliable, or you lot know your stuff ;-).
I would ideally like to place more info here with stickies.0 -
And I thought it was a long way to go for me :?Wallace1492 wrote:suzyb wrote:
I meet up with the Lanarkshire group. And then they all cycle off ahead whilst I struggle slowly along half a mile behind themWallace1492 wrote:suzyb wrote:There was talk of a meet up in Glasgow but only 3 of us seemed interested and we couldn't find a good time.
Yeah, just seem too busy.... you should come along to the MTB meet up group - had a great night last night.
Come along and struggle half a mile behind us Different scenery....
Seriously though, we try and do a slow pace so that even those with little experience or fitness are not put off. Seems to be working so far..... Getting people along from Falkirk, Edinburgh, Gourock Stiring and Kilmarnock, even to some of the midweek runs.
I'll maybe meet up at some point, it's getting a bit depressing being half a mile behind everyone. Although I am very very slow.0 -
supersonic wrote:The workshop section does seem very quiet compared to the road and mtb sections. I take this to mean hybrids are much more reliable, or you lot know your stuff ;-).
I would ideally like to place more info here with stickies.
I actually don't want anymore stickies in this section.
It's no longer relevant. Stickies should be important topics within each forum based on their particular subject. Given that this is now chat and that is final an accident sticky or a lights sticky isn't going to be relevant here.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
I meant the WS and General section too - but of course, I know you don't go there ;-)0
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Maybe combine 'workshop' and 'general'?
To be honest, if I had a mechanical question, I'd ask it here for reasons already stated.0 -
rjsterry wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:I don't think the socialising stuff was overwhelming the board.
I know. Others disagree.
Fine, but I think the problem resides with those who either take themselves (and online engagement) far too seriously, have difficulty socialising or who are intollerant to extroverted personalities. To actually want to stifle the very human instinct to socialise is absurd.
I will not accept that socialising and making friends in a community environment (i.e. a forum) is a negative thing. I do not accept that this forum was poorer for it. It was richer for it, much more so. In my two years many great things, friendships and relationships were achieved and great knowledge was passed on and it benefitted lives.
What is important now is that this section and the regulars of this section are not further marginalised with needless stickies or the removal of any meaningful discussion from this section.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
TailWindHome wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:How's that wasp taste?
I don't think the socialising stuff was overwhelming the board.
If I was a moderator and I should be... (Oooo next thread) And IF I had to I would have seperated out the commuting buying advice into another thread but left everything else.
So you would have
Commuter Buying advice *
Advice about what bike, what bike and what bike. What helemt and lights.
Commuter General
General commuting chat, talk about your daily commute and all other commuter related chat.
Workshop
As it is.
Where would you put the "Car Insurance for a 17 Year Old" Thread?
Maybe why need 4 sections - What you suggest plus a completely off topic area. It's the quantity of Off Topic stuff which was becoming an issue. Nothing to do with socialising, cliques or seriousness
*ahem*
Jeez DDD and Supersonic are turning into a right wee clique!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
supersonic wrote:Sheffield would be a good spot. Show you some of our famous 'ills. Commuter killers lol.
When you swap that there large sprocket you've fitted for a chainring, then you can start having a pop at us lowly commuters and our abilities up hills. :PFCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
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DonDaddyD wrote:rjsterry wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:I don't think the socialising stuff was overwhelming the board.
I know. Others disagree.
Fine, but I think the problem resides with those who either take themselves (and online engagement) far too seriously, have difficulty socialising or who are intollerant to extroverted personalities. To actually want to stifle the very human instinct to socialise is absurd.
I will not accept that socialising and making friends in a community environment (i.e. a forum) is a negative thing. I do not accept that this forum was poorer for it. It was richer for it, much more so. In my two years many great things, friendships and relationships were achieved and great knowledge was passed on and it benefitted lives.
What is important now is that this section and the regulars of this section are not further marginalised with needless stickies or the removal of any meaningful discussion from this section.
Wot he said 8)0 -
But has it been stifled? You can still be as extroverted as you wish. No one has took that away. I think socialising is great on forums, it works in the Road and MTB sections in the relevant areas.
Stickies are there mainly for newcomers who can have a read through, get prior info and hopefully make a better, well informed post rather than just say 'I have 500 quid, what shall I buy?'. Experience shows this has worked in the MTB section. And many newcomers end up posting in the CrudCatcher eventually as they realise that we are a friendly bunch ;-)
But then again there are people who simply don't want to connect like this, and just pop in for quick advice.0 -
If stickies work like that then I'm all for them
Reality, I fear, is rather different....
But hey, I don't visit commuting general or workshop, so go nuts!
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supersonic wrote:But has it been stifled? You can still be as extroverted as you wish. No one has took that away. I think socialising is great on forums, it works in the Road and MTB sections in the relevant areas.
Stickies are there mainly for newcomers who can have a read through, get prior info and hopefully make a better, well informed post rather than just say 'I have 500 quid, what shall I buy?'. Experience shows this has worked in the MTB section. And many newcomers end up posting in the CrudCatcher eventually as they realise that we are a friendly bunch ;-)
But then again there are people who simply don't want to connect like this, and just pop in for quick advice.
Stickies are all well and good, but no one reads em unless they get lfgss UTFS style replies... not very friendly, kind of akin to smacking a puppy.
Anyway this thread is about socialising people who complain about others doing it...Purveyor of sonic doom
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They seem to get read in MTB - The What Lights sticky has been a massive success. Of course a poster may not read them, and all questions will still be answered. Some do get pointed to the FAQ though, as there will be a pre written script that explains perfectly what they need to know.0
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lost_in_thought wrote:If stickies work like that then I'm all for them
Reality, I fear, is rather different....
But hey, I don't visit commuting general or workshop, so go nuts!
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Except that's not quite true is it LiT. S'alright, i won't tell.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The users who have been made into admins are in Sweden, Sheffield and Birmingham. With me being in Birmingham, I'm the closest of us, but still not close enough that I'm going to come down just for a night out. Trains, somewhere to sleep etc would mean it would come to over £100, and frankly, I don't care about meeting up with the London bunch enough to pay that for one night.lost_in_thought wrote:rjsterry wrote:You know he's in Sweden, don't you?
Yes, but being a techy type I'd also presumed he had the ability to communicate the invite to other, less geographically hampered mods...
Please, however, do us a favour and stop pulling out this silly idea that we're trying to stop people from making friends. We're not. As Paul has said many times, there are regular meet ups from various areas of the site, especially the MTB bit. I have met and ridden with many people from BR, and I know that other mods have too. Indeed, there are dedicated areas of the MTB and road bits for meeting up with other users for a ride, as well as rides/meetings/in jokes being discussed in the Crudcatcher/Cake Stop sections. This helps keep the topics which are seeking proper advice on topic. This is what we've tried to create here for you. It works perfectly in the other sections, and I don't see any reason it won't work here. As I've said previously, if what you want from the site is to talk with like minded people about any topic which may come up, then great, go for it. That's what the chat section's for. However, we did need somewhere for topics to go which the author does not want to risk being derailed.
When we made the switch, I started to move serious topics over into the new general section. After I'd done about 20, I stopped. Partly because it was 3am and I was tired, but partly because rather than just reading the first post in the topic and being able to decide whether or not it was a serious topic, I was having to skim through the entire topics to see whether they had been derailed into discussing something entirely unrelated. More often than not, they had been derailed. This is the problem we're talking about. You can point out that there are only a few threads dedicated to the various meet-ups, which is true, but there was a real problem with other threads being taken over.
There are many examples. If you have the time/inclination, go back a few pages in the forum history and read a few threads, see how long it tends to take before discussion of the original issue gets ignored in favour of talking about something else. You'll find it doesn't tend to take very long, and it's this that we're trying to prevent. Not people making friends.0 -
rjsterry wrote:lost_in_thought wrote:If stickies work like that then I'm all for them
Reality, I fear, is rather different....
But hey, I don't visit commuting general or workshop, so go nuts!
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Except that's not quite true is it LiT. S'alright, i won't tell.
Well, not since I've fixed all my damn links...0 -
supersonic wrote:But has it been stifled?
Yes it has, had you created a Commuter Buying section or an Advice section that would have been fine. You would have created a place for new members to initially wet thier feet and/or a place for quick non-social advice.
But what you've done is taken away the meat of this forum and left it with nothing but banter and yes, while it is fun, I actually enjoyed the ethical, socio-political and serious debates. You cannot have those debates all the time so you have to have light hearted and maybe even off-topic threads for the online community (which a forum is) to have balance.
Serious discussions was a key part of how we socialised, we all care about commuting by bike and developments therein. The serious discussion gave this section substance, the banter made it fun and that was very much a valued aspect of this online community.
My other issue stems from the moderators treatment of the online community. Though I'll be surprised if some will listen and take this on board. Nicklouse, one of your own, so abruptly told LiT that the content was user created. Fine it is, but in making this decision none of you actually worked with us to find the best solution to a supposed growing problem. You didn't consider how best to find a solution that will still get the best out of that commuinty.
Your decision and action was heavy handed, it echoed a total and complete disregard for the contributions made by the users, who are the online community of this forum, who drive the forums, generate the content and ultiamtely make this place work. In short you didn't value us, our contributions or the content we generate.
Now I know how hard it is to be a moderator, I spent many years moderating, being the main admin and web master of my own website and the problem members here aren't a patch on angry comic book fans. I don't envy your task. But I don't think you made it any easier for yourselves by not at least appearing to involve the online community in your decision before the action was taken.
At the very end of it people will always want to feel that they have been considered and heard.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
So you're boycotting it deliberately?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
The users who have been made into admins are in Sweden, Sheffield and Birmingham. With me being in Birmingham, I'm the closest of us, but still not close enough that I'm going to come down just for a night out. Trains, somewhere to sleep etc would mean it would come to over £100, and frankly, I don't care about meeting up with the London bunch enough to pay that for one night. Wink
Please, however, do us a favour and stop pulling out this silly idea that we're trying to stop people from making friends.
Well y'all should have a London admin. Capital city, innit. And there's clearly a nortern bias. I for one am hurt and maligned and feel the need for a london-only forum. Help Help I'm being oppressed!
And hey! I'm not pulling out that silly idea. You won't stop me making friends...... bwaahahahahaaaaa etc.0 -
Yeah, that bit wasn't aimed at you. I'm sure you can work out who it was aimed at...lost_in_thought wrote:The users who have been made into admins are in Sweden, Sheffield and Birmingham. With me being in Birmingham, I'm the closest of us, but still not close enough that I'm going to come down just for a night out. Trains, somewhere to sleep etc would mean it would come to over £100, and frankly, I don't care about meeting up with the London bunch enough to pay that for one night. Wink
Please, however, do us a favour and stop pulling out this silly idea that we're trying to stop people from making friends.
Well y'all should have a London admin. Capital city, innit. And there's clearly a nortern bias. I for one am hurt and maligned and feel the need for a london-only forum. Help Help I'm being oppressed!
And hey! I'm not pulling out that silly idea. You won't stop me making friends...... bwaahahahahaaaaa etc.
All the magazine staff are in Bath, so having more northern user admins does provide balance. 0 -
rjsterry wrote:So you're boycotting it deliberately?
If that was for me, boycotting is a strong word.
I'm using the same forum I was using before, it's just under a different name. My bookmarks used to lead me to this forum when it was called commuting general, and for some reason some of them didn't re-direct when it changed its name to commuting chat.0 -
whyamihere wrote:
Yeah, that bit wasn't aimed at you. I'm sure you can work out who it was aimed at...lost_in_thought wrote:The users who have been made into admins are in Sweden, Sheffield and Birmingham. With me being in Birmingham, I'm the closest of us, but still not close enough that I'm going to come down just for a night out. Trains, somewhere to sleep etc would mean it would come to over £100, and frankly, I don't care about meeting up with the London bunch enough to pay that for one night. Wink
Please, however, do us a favour and stop pulling out this silly idea that we're trying to stop people from making friends.
Well y'all should have a London admin. Capital city, innit. And there's clearly a nortern bias. I for one am hurt and maligned and feel the need for a london-only forum. Help Help I'm being oppressed!
And hey! I'm not pulling out that silly idea. You won't stop me making friends...... bwaahahahahaaaaa etc.
All the magazine staff are in Bath, so having more northern user admins does provide balance.
And explains why you're all grumpy barstewards... 0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:supersonic wrote:But has it been stifled?
Yes it has, had you created a Commuter Buying section or an Advice section that would have been fine. You would have created a place for new members to initially wet thier feet and/or a place for quick non social advice. You would have also created a place where they could feel that they were noticed.
But what you've done is taken away the meat of this forum and left it with nothing but banter and yes, while it is fun, I actually enjoyed the ethical, socio-political and serious debates. You cannot have those debates all the time so you have to have light hearted and maybe even off-topic threads for the online community (which a forum is) to have balance.
Serious discussions was a key part of how we socialised, we all care about commuting by bike and developments therein. The serious discussion gave this section substance and that was very much a valued aspect of this online community.
My other issue stems from the moderators treatment of the online community. Though I'll be surprised if some will listen and take this on board. Nicklouse, one of your own, so abruptly told LiT that the content was user created. Fine it is, but in making this decision none of you actually worked with us to find the best solution to a supposed growing problem. You didn't consider how best to find a solution to encourage the online community to keep particpating in a constructive way.
You decision and action was heavy handed, which echoed a total and complete disregard for the contributions made by the users, the members who are the online community of this forum, who drive the forums and generate the content and ultiamtely make this place work.
Now I know how hard it is to be a moderator, I spent many years moderating, being the main admin and web master of my own website and the problem members here aren't a patch on angry comic book fans. I don't envy your task. but I don't think you made it any easier for yourselves by not at least appearing to involve the online community in your decision before the action was taken. At the very end of it, people will always want to feel that they have been considered and heard.
I think we have to agree to disagree. Is it all really in the name of the forum?
We have taken aboard the existing users, as we had this discussion a long time ago. You were in the minority then, and are now.
Your place to chat still exists! You can still have serious discussions in chat, but serious bike questions and discussion goes in general.0 -
DDD wrote:Nicklouse, one of your own, so abruptly told LiT that the content was user created.
Yeah, I wouldn't have minded an apology for that little tirade.0 -
DDD wrote:But what you've done is taken away the meat of this forum and left it with nothing but banter and yes, while it is fun, I actually enjoyed the ethical, socio-political and serious debates. You cannot have those debates all the time so you have to have light hearted and maybe even off-topic threads for the online community (which a forum is) to have balance.Supersonic wrote:Your place to chat still exists! You can still have serious discussions in chat, but serious bike questions and discussion goes in general.
Still with the 'serious'
It's either related to cycling/ commuting or it's not.
Thanks for answering my question regarding your forum layout DDD.
Obviously I'm not in the clique“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
exactly what is the issue with putting stuff related to commuting in the general sections and off topic stuff in here......?
only thing i have actually read is that....some people can't be fashed....Whenever I see an adult on a bicycle, I believe in the future of the human race.
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supersonic wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:supersonic wrote:But has it been stifled?
My other issue stems from the moderators treatment of the online community. Though I'll be surprised if some will listen and take this on board.
I think we have to agree to disagree. Is it all really in the name of the forum?
It's not in the name its in the purpose.
This forum would be better served being commuter chat which includes serious topics (such as what you can be fined for) It was those types of discussions that got the best out of the online community.
Workshop could be left as is or merged with commuter general. Commuter General could be left for buying advice and any other ad hoc commuting advice that generally demands just a quick reply.You were in the minority then, and are now.
Did you poll this, because I really don't think so.Your place to chat still exists! You can still have serious discussions in chat, but serious bike questions and discussion goes in general.
Yep, I guess we're a valued online community who drive the content and user engagement. Right? Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
There is still place for commuting chat in the commuting chat forum, and for you to express yourself, have some banter. No one is saying you cannot do this. The your bikes sticky is still there, plus many threads of this nature.
BUT what we do want is a section for serious commuting discussions and questions where people would rather it not go off at a tangent. And will be the natural home for buying advice.0
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