York City Cycling Races
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No I'll let you do that.0
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freehub wrote:I know he'll be in E1/2 :P
On the day, whatever group I am in (as it will obviously split), I hope to be the top one out of the group at the end, or eventually jump from group to group.
Ok you probably know this but just incase:
The E12 and 34 races will be run as separate races, with separate finish lines and points, and they'll set of separately. If the E12 catch you or if their race blows apart then you can't join in with any of them. You have to stay separate or you'll be DQ.
Unless you mean you expect the 3/4 race to splinter, in which case I suggest you keep youself near the front and make sure you stay in the front group. Closing gaps is no fun! ;-)0 -
freehub wrote:I know he'll be in E1/2 :P
On the day, whatever group I am in (as it will obviously split), I hope to be the top one out of the group at the end, or eventually jump from group to group.
I hope I win. Doesn't mean I will, but that's what I hope for every time I race. Doesn't everybody?More problems but still living....0 -
tomb8555 wrote:freehub wrote:I know he'll be in E1/2 :P
On the day, whatever group I am in (as it will obviously split), I hope to be the top one out of the group at the end, or eventually jump from group to group.
Ok you probably know this but just incase:
The E12 and 34 races will be run as separate races, with separate finish lines and points, and they'll set of separately. If the E12 catch you or if their race blows apart then you can't join in with any of them. You have to stay separate or you'll be DQ.
Unless you mean you expect the 3/4 race to splinter, in which case I suggest you keep youself near the front and make sure you stay in the front group. Closing gaps is no fun! ;-)
Ok you probably know this but just incase:
The 3/4 race is on at 5pm for 50 mins, the E/1/2 at 6pm, so if any them catch you tell them to go and warm up somewhere else.0 -
amaferanga wrote:freehub wrote:I know he'll be in E1/2 :P
On the day, whatever group I am in (as it will obviously split), I hope to be the top one out of the group at the end, or eventually jump from group to group.
I hope I win. Doesn't mean I will, but that's what I hope for every time I race. Doesn't everybody?
No if I was racing you I'd hope I beat you and I win. I think everyone would hope they beat you and wind though and have the same thought 100 times.0 -
freehub wrote:amaferanga wrote:freehub wrote:I know he'll be in E1/2 :P
On the day, whatever group I am in (as it will obviously split), I hope to be the top one out of the group at the end, or eventually jump from group to group.
I hope I win. Doesn't mean I will, but that's what I hope for every time I race. Doesn't everybody?
No if I was racing you I'd hope I beat you and I win. I think everyone would hope they beat you and wind though and have the same thought 100 times.
I didn't realise I was such a hate figure :?
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freehub wrote:No I'll let you do that.
You could but that means I would have won and you would have come secondExpertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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freehub wrote:amaferanga wrote:freehub wrote:I know he'll be in E1/2 :P
On the day, whatever group I am in (as it will obviously split), I hope to be the top one out of the group at the end, or eventually jump from group to group.
I hope I win. Doesn't mean I will, but that's what I hope for every time I race. Doesn't everybody?
No if I was racing you I'd hope I beat you and I win. I think everyone would hope they beat you and wind though and have the same thought 100 times.
WTF does this mean??0 -
SheffSimon wrote:Ok you probably know this but just incase:
The 3/4 race is on at 5pm for 50 mins, the E/1/2 at 6pm, so if any them catch you tell them to go and warm up somewhere else.
Nope I didn't know that!
I assumed by him saying he was going to try to go from group to group that's what he meant. Guess not.0 -
tomb8555 wrote:SheffSimon wrote:Ok you probably know this but just incase:
The 3/4 race is on at 5pm for 50 mins, the E/1/2 at 6pm, so if any them catch you tell them to go and warm up somewhere else.
Nope I didn't know that!
I assumed by him saying he was going to try to go from group to group that's what he meant. Guess not.
Hey, no problem, happy to help
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Tonight am doing a race, a TLi, it's a 5 mile circuit, dunno if that's classed as a crit? Should be good training, torrential downpours predicted.0
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freehub wrote:Tonight am doing a race, a TLi, it's a 5 mile circuit, dunno if that's classed as a crit? Should be good training, torrential downpours predicted.
Nope, crit racing tends to be short, maybe 1 mile, circuits, corners coming all the time which means lots of sprinting which is what makes them hard especially if you arent at the front.
Should be nice at Selby tonight 0 -
Well I'm pulling out of this race.
I think I am not capable of doing one of those races any more.
I crashed at like 26mph today, was my fault.
Helmet wrote off, totally cracked
Right side pedal wrote off
right cleat snapped
dented frame (middle of the top tube)
bent bars
destroyed bar tape
torn hoods
mangled right shifter
damaged rear mech
badly buckled rear wheel
Had to go to hospital, banged my head pretty bad and shoulder area, mostly just grazing, shoulder hurts quite bad and probs will all bruise down my left side by tomoz. Don't want to race any more this year though, just concentrate on getting fitness up, maybe do some TT's and hill climbs.0 -
What happened?More problems but still living....0
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freehub wrote:Well I'm pulling out of this race.
I think I am not capable of doing one of those races any more.
I crashed at like 26mph today, was my fault.
Helmet wrote off, totally cracked
Right side pedal wrote off
right cleat snapped
dented frame (middle of the top tube)
bent bars
destroyed bar tape
torn hoods
mangled right shifter
damaged rear mech
badly buckled rear wheel
Had to go to hospital, banged my head pretty bad and shoulder area, mostly just grazing, shoulder hurts quite bad and probs will all bruise down my left side by tomoz. Don't want to race any more this year though, just concentrate on getting fitness up, maybe do some TT's and hill climbs.
Thats some crash Will - hard not to let it dent your confidence for a bit, but dont let it stop you racing long term. We've all crashed racing and training (well I have anyway, as have other correspondents on this thread - I was just behind him at the time!).0 -
I bet you did not cause the crashes though, I've crashed twice, took 2 people out the first time, took about 4 this time. Both times it was MY fault.
On the race I was abit confused (when I was in the race), they were going up a short drag, slowing down, so I used this opportunity to get to the front, I find a space, I go and get in it, then this Clifton CC guy goes, "hey, that's my wheel", then grabs hold of my jersey pocket??? Surely I was OK to go ahead in front? I was not racing for his team and did not see the problem. I did not want to sit behind him and then end up getting dropped by the front, and that is what would have happened.
As to what happened when I crashed, we was on the straight, speed went up to about 26mph, I was off the saddle, quickly looked down, then up, next thing I know, they must have braked, cause my wheel was about 6" overlapping his back wheel, I think because of the acceleration, his bike was moving allot side to side as yer do, I clipped his wheel, went straight over my onto my right side. After that, I had bikes piling into my back. Totally my fault for not keeping an eye on the wheels.
God knows why anyone braked though on a straight, we should have being gunning it to 30mph.0 -
freehub wrote:I bet you did not cause the crashes though, I've crashed twice, took 2 people out the first time, took about 4 this time. Both times it was MY fault.
On the race I was abit confused (when I was in the race), they were going up a short drag, slowing down, so I used this opportunity to get to the front, I find a space, I go and get in it, then this Clifton CC guy goes, "hey, that's my wheel", then grabs hold of my jersey pocket??? Surely I was OK to go ahead in front? I was not racing for his team and did not see the problem. I did not want to sit behind him and then end up getting dropped by the front, and that is what would have happened.
As to what happened when I crashed, we was on the straight, speed went up to about 26mph, I was off the saddle, quickly looked down, then up, next thing I know, they must have braked, cause my wheel was about 6" overlapping his back wheel, I think because of the acceleration, his bike was moving allot side to side as yer do, I clipped his wheel, went straight over my onto my right side. After that, I had bikes piling into my back. Totally my fault for not keeping an eye on the wheels.
God knows why anyone braked though on a straight, we should have being gunning it to 30mph.
If there was a gap in the line of riders big enough for you, then you have every right to jump in the gap. I wouldnt take very kindly to someone telling me its their wheel.
Your crash sounds like a typical racing crash mate, just one of those things, wheels overlap in races and either you moved into him or he moved into you, who knows, shit happens.0 -
What he said ^^
It's not his wheel if he can't defend it.0 -
freehub wrote:
, quickly looked down, then up, Totally my fault for not keeping an eye on the wheels.
God knows why anyone braked though on a straight, we should have being gunning it to 30mph.
Fix your bike and get back out there - As painful as it is you've just learned one of the hardest yet most valuable lessons.
Keep an eye on whats going on ahead of not just the rider in front, but those ahead of him at all times.
With regard to the thats my wheel comment - where you going for a gap thats simply was not there ?0 -
tomb8555 wrote:What he said ^^
It's not his wheel if he can't defend it.
From what I hear Freehub tried jumping into the lines that were going through and off, so in effect it was the Clifton riders wheel. All Freehub had to do to join the lines and contribute to the work was ask or tap the rider to get into the lines. Looks like lack of experience on Freehub's part. But if he keeps at it he'll learn.Expertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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Chip \'oyler wrote:tomb8555 wrote:What he said ^^
It's not his wheel if he can't defend it.
From what I hear Freehub tried jumping into the lines that were going through and off, so in effect it was the Clifton riders wheel. All Freehub had to do to join the lines and contribute to the work was ask or tap the rider to get into the lines. Looks like lack of experience on Freehub's part. But if he keeps at it he'll learn.
if thats the case, then yeah, different story, join the tail end of the line going forward or keep out of the way at the back.0 -
Speedy recovery dude. Chalk it up to experience.The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
That sounds pretty nasty Will, but at least its just cuts and bruises. FWIW I was 99.9% (the 0.1% was down to the farmer that spread the crap on the road) responsible for my crash recently - it was just lucky that there was no-one right behind me otherwise I'd have taken them down with me. I came out of it with lots of road rash and a crack in the top tube of my carbon frame (which turned out to be only superficial).
Just one of those things if you race - don't throw the towel in. Suck it up and learn from it. If you don't feel stupid sometimes then you're not learning anything....More problems but still living....0 -
Bad luck fella...
Does sound like a lack of experience & not adhering to race etiquette. It's done now so let things heal & get the bike fixed. I wouldn't give up just yet. You seem to have plenty of ambition & the legs for it too. 26mph is plenty fast enough to do some real damage to yourself so I reckon you've come out of it reasonably ok. Shame that yr frame has been clobbered tho'.
Slightly buggers up Saturdays plans
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Chip \'oyler wrote:tomb8555 wrote:What he said ^^
It's not his wheel if he can't defend it.
From what I hear Freehub tried jumping into the lines that were going through and off, so in effect it was the Clifton riders wheel. All Freehub had to do to join the lines and contribute to the work was ask or tap the rider to get into the lines. Looks like lack of experience on Freehub's part. But if he keeps at it he'll learn.
Hi, this was not the cause of a crash at all. The crash was at a different time.
I wanted to get to the front, I know sitting on the back is bad and does not help trying to do good. I was happy with the effort and was not complaining about going on the front with through and off.
The problem was, I thought this was a race? And not a training session. It was my first "road" race, and all I thought was, I can overtake here as it was slowing down on this drag, I found a space that I could get in.
I was not expecting you had to be kind in a race, saying, please can I go in here, I reckon a fair few would just ignore me.
This is how I seen it, the thought and off was just like a training session, it was far easier than a normal chaingang even! I could see people in the distance too.
I'm actually feeling pretty ill at the moment, don't know why, but standing up makes me sick, and sitting at the PC also makes me feel sick, all I'm ok doing is watching the tele from a distance. Can't hardly move my shoulder or neck.
If I was totally wrong about the "through and off", then fine, but I honestly thought I needed to try do something to move up and keep near the front, I'd be no good forming a break on my own I don't have the power, but I could stay near the front and take turns.0 -
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If it's any help, try and stay seated and keep your eyes on the wheels infront of you. Nothing worse than someone in the middle of the bunch bouncing in and out the saddle when they don't need to."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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Well I didn't realise that was bad practice but I'll keep it in mind. when the pace was going slow (about 23mph) I was pedalling out of the saddle in the group.
One guy had to finish the race with no seat (it fell off
), I'd not be able to manage that my quads would be in so much pain. 0 -
Why were you looking down just prior to the crash?
(I've experienced similar things where I've gotten out of the saddle to sprint, only to have the bunch slow right down in front of me and had to hit the brakes. But I wasn't looking down...)0 -
freehub wrote:Chip \'oyler wrote:tomb8555 wrote:What he said ^^
It's not his wheel if he can't defend it.
From what I hear Freehub tried jumping into the lines that were going through and off, so in effect it was the Clifton riders wheel. All Freehub had to do to join the lines and contribute to the work was ask or tap the rider to get into the lines. Looks like lack of experience on Freehub's part. But if he keeps at it he'll learn.
Hi, this was not the cause of a crash at all. The crash was at a different time.
I wanted to get to the front, I know sitting on the back is bad and does not help trying to do good. I was happy with the effort and was not complaining about going on the front with through and off.
The problem was, I thought this was a race? And not a training session. It was my first "road" race, and all I thought was, I can overtake here as it was slowing down on this drag, I found a space that I could get in.
I was not expecting you had to be kind in a race, saying, please can I go in here, I reckon a fair few would just ignore me.
This is how I seen it, the thought and off was just like a training session, it was far easier than a normal chaingang even! I could see people in the distance too.
I'm actually feeling pretty ill at the moment, don't know why, but standing up makes me sick, and sitting at the PC also makes me feel sick, all I'm ok doing is watching the tele from a distance. Can't hardly move my shoulder or neck.
If I was totally wrong about the "through and off", then fine, but I honestly thought I needed to try do something to move up and keep near the front, I'd be no good forming a break on my own I don't have the power, but I could stay near the front and take turns.
Because it was a TLI race the guys would be sharing the work and going through and off to catch the group in front. And if they were doing it smoothly then it would feel easier. Just because they're not attacking doesn't mean they're not racing.
If you have the fitness then it would be good experience to set off with the 1st cat's group. Just sit on the back and observe how they ride, position themselves and work together etc. You'd learn a lotExpertly coached by http://www.vitessecyclecoaching.co.uk/
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