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How many bikes have pivots between the main pivot and axle?!
My 2001 Schwinn Rocket 88 had, and it was chod!0 -
RupertCommunicator wrote:How many bikes have pivots between the main pivot and axle?!
Loads, horst link 4-bars do. My Hemlock does frinstance.Uncompromising extremist0 -
Erm, all proper 4-bars? :roll:RupertCommunicator wrote:How many bikes have pivots between the main pivot and axle?!
My 2001 Schwinn Rocket 88 had, and it was chod!
(it is THE difference between single pivot, and anything else.)0 -
Horst is good for stopping brake jack and pedal bob, but the ABP prevents brake jack too, and the DRCV shock combined with the full floater is pretty good at stopping pedalling induced bob.
Yes, you could argue that the axle path of the Remedy is the same as that of a low single pivot, but the way the shock is compressed is totally different!
Single pivots however...0 -
Oh for the love of.......RupertCommunicator wrote:Horst is good for stopping brake jack and pedal bob, but the ABP prevents brake jack too, and the DRCV shock combined with the full floater is pretty good at stopping pedalling induced bob.
Yes, you could argue that the axle path of the Remedy is the same as that of a low single pivot, but the way the shock is compressed is totally different!
Single pivots however...
(EPIC FACEPALM!)0 -
Explain...0
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No. I refuse to. I have a feeling it would be completely, and utterly, soul destroyingly pointless, and would achieve nothing except another stupid argument.0
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Wasn't the argument that the Remedy is a single pivot bike based on the fact that the axle is joined to the main pivot by a continuous chainstay (swingarm)?
And my reasoning is that it has four pivots, not one?
All that Horst link stuff is just a distraction.0 -
all horst link bikes are the best.0
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No, you just bought up a load more crap as well.Wasn't the argument that the Remedy is a single pivot bike based on the fact that the axle is joined to the main pivot by a continuous chainstay (swingarm)?
And my reasoning is that it has four pivots, not one?
All that Horst link stuff is just a distraction.
And the remedy, despite it's clever marketing, really is a single pivot design, with a linkage driven shock. That just isn't even open to debate, it's a fact. Whether or not the linkage performs any significant groundbreaking effect is a different matter.0 -
Mancunianfightingcat wrote:no sheeps, my orange 5 is best [/end]!
did you miss my orange 5 thread a short while back, i like orange 5s now, for no particular reason.
horst link bikes are the best, the orange 5 is the second best.0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:No, you just bought up a load more crap as well.
And the remedy, despite it's clever marketing, really is a single pivot design, with a linkage driven shock. That just isn't even open to debate, it's a fact. Whether or not the linkage performs any significant groundbreaking effect is a different matter.
How can it be crap when it's fact? I'm not questioning the fact that Remedy is essentially a linkage driven single pivot (technically). I'm saying it behaves differently to a true single pivot because the shock is driven at varying rates due to the fact it sits on the chainstay and is driven by a linkage.0 -
........But with compression damped shocks and variable air chambers, it's all a waste of bearings and bolts anyway!0
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The shock doesn't affect the braking though.0
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This was the load of crapHorst is good for stopping brake jack and pedal bob, but the ABP prevents brake jack too, and the DRCV shock combined with the full floater is pretty good at stopping pedalling induced bob.
Konas have a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.
Commencal Metas have a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.
Orange ST4 is a single pivot with a linkage diven shock.
My mate's Fireblade is a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.
There's a few, but they're in the minority. They are quite often referred to as "faux bar" when they're arranged in a similar shape to a 4-bar system.0 -
See, that's a distinction I really dislike, 4 bar is named after the number of bars. Which is 4. There's different types of 4 bar but they're all 4 bar, where the pivots are doesn't make any difference, FSR and horst link 4-bars are just variants. Or so it should be but bike naming conventions are a mess so you end up with 4-bar being treated as a synonym for 4-bar-with-a-horst-link and "faux bar" which bloody is a 4 bar just with the pivots in a different place.
Course, it's accepted usage so I'm just going to have to MTFU and deal with it but it vexes me sorely!Uncompromising extremist0 -
Trek Marketing.... wrote:How can it be crap when it's fact? I'm not questioning the fact that Remedy is essentially a linkage driven single pivot (technically). I'm saying it behaves differently to a true single pivot because the shock is driven at varying rates due to the fact it sits on the chainstay and is driven by a linkage.0
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I lke the rear suspension provided by my legs. The bearing's aren't prone to wear, there's no problem setting them up, and no problems under braking. Maintaining traction is sometimes difficult but in general this makes my relatively flat and boring trails more interesting.Visit Clacton during the School holidays - it's like a never ending freak show.
Who are you calling inbred?0 -
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I found this in an ancient antechamber deep within a mountain, guarded by an elderly Knight0 -
The critical differenc betwen an actual 4-bar and a single pivot with linkage driven shock though, is that on a single pivot, the axle path is an arc around the main pivot. On a 4-bar it is not, and can be tuned to be anywhere.Northwind wrote:See, that's a distinction I really dislike, 4 bar is named after the number of bars. Which is 4. There's different types of 4 bar but they're all 4 bar, where the pivots are doesn't make any difference, FSR and horst link 4-bars are just variants. Or so it should be but bike naming conventions are a mess so you end up with 4-bar being treated as a synonym for 4-bar-with-a-horst-link and "faux bar" which bloody is a 4 bar just with the pivots in a different place.
Course, it's accepted usage so I'm just going to have to MTFU and deal with it but it vexes me sorely!0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:This was the load of crapHorst is good for stopping brake jack and pedal bob, but the ABP prevents brake jack too, and the DRCV shock combined with the full floater is pretty good at stopping pedalling induced bob.
Konas have a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.
Commencal Metas have a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.
Orange ST4 is a single pivot with a linkage diven shock.
My mate's Fireblade is a single pivot with a linkage driven shock.
There's a few, but they're in the minority. They are quite often referred to as "faux bar" when they're arranged in a similar shape to a 4-bar system.
You can't just claim something is crap without explaining why it is crap. Explain.0 -
Can I interrupt for just a moment to say that mrs & miss blitz went looking at sofas on Saturday and found £21.46 in loose change down the sides of the sofas they 'tested'.
As you were
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Oh yes I can. I just did, in fact.RupertCommunicator wrote:
You can't just claim something is crap without explaining why it is crap. Explain.yeehaamcgee wrote:This was the load of crapHorst is good for stopping brake jack and pedal bob, but the ABP prevents brake jack too, and the DRCV shock combined with the full floater is pretty good at stopping pedalling induced bob.
Anyway, in other news, I just found out that you can buy 55% beer, in a dead squirrel for £500.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:all horst link bikes are the best.
+Potato
This would be the awesomeness of the NRS's upgraded Horst Link:
(BETD Bearing kit to replace the original bushing)
Best of both worlds - rides like a hardtail, no pedal bob until you hit the downhill or bumpy bits, then the rear sus kicks in.
*hugs NRS*0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:The critical differenc betwen an actual 4-bar and a single pivot with linkage driven shock though, is that on a single pivot, the axle path is an arc around the main pivot. On a 4-bar it is not, and can be tuned to be anywhere.
Only if it's a 4 bar with a split chainstay/swingarm, a Kona 4-bar (faux) has a simple arc round the main pivot which can't be tuned, but it's still a 4-bar. It's just not a horst link 4 bar.Uncompromising extremist0 -
spongtastic wrote:I lke the rear suspension provided by my legs. The bearing's aren't prone to wear, there's no problem setting them up, and no problems under braking. Maintaining traction is sometimes difficult but in general this makes my relatively flat and boring trails more interesting.
why dont you use the suspension supplied by your arms for the front of your bike?0 -
Oh forchirssakes. EXACTLY. the Kona is a single pivot swingarm - monopivot.Northwind wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:The critical differenc betwen an actual 4-bar and a single pivot with linkage driven shock though, is that on a single pivot, the axle path is an arc around the main pivot. On a 4-bar it is not, and can be tuned to be anywhere.
Only if it's a 4 bar with a split chainstay/swingarm, a Kona 4-bar (faux) has a simple arc round the main pivot which can't be tuned, but it's still a 4-bar. It's just not a horst link 4 bar.
It behaves exactly like a monopivot, because it IS a monopivot.
What activates the shock doesn't come into it.
What exactly would you call a Commencal Meta? That has more than a single bar. But it is a monopivot.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:spongtastic wrote:I lke the rear suspension provided by my legs. The bearing's aren't prone to wear, there's no problem setting them up, and no problems under braking. Maintaining traction is sometimes difficult but in general this makes my relatively flat and boring trails more interesting.
why dont you use the suspension supplied by your arms for the front of your bike?
I do but find they don't react as fast as the rear with citrus fruit and string installedVisit Clacton during the School holidays - it's like a never ending freak show.
Who are you calling inbred?0
