Positive UK test thread

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  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Pross wrote:
    Maybe John is in full possession of the facts and either a) There is nothing to report or b) He / his legal advisors have advised that the information cannot yet be divulged? If it is a BC rule that any positive tests have to be reported within three months surely any concerned BC member can just email them and ask for that information? Anyone fancy trying?

    There was no failed and admitted test in March, unless BC are failing to report it (ie cover up)

    There could be a falied test in march, that is being denied/appealed/hearing etc. but that means the information in this thread about a March failure, and an admission by the athlete is incorrect.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Yep, it's very possibly just rumour (or at least the admission part) in which case the Editor is correct in removing innuendo. I looked at results like many others and thought I may have the name but I could have been completely wrong in which case the innuendo is dangerous to more than just the actual rider involved.
  • Hibbs
    Hibbs Posts: 291
    jibberjim wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Maybe John is in full possession of the facts and either a) There is nothing to report or b) He / his legal advisors have advised that the information cannot yet be divulged? If it is a BC rule that any positive tests have to be reported within three months surely any concerned BC member can just email them and ask for that information? Anyone fancy trying?

    There was no failed and admitted test in March, unless BC are failing to report it (ie cover up)

    There could be a falied test in march, that is being denied/appealed/hearing etc. but that means the information in this thread about a March failure, and an admission by the athlete is incorrect.

    That's most likely. Look at Paddy Kenny's entry - entered on website 10/11/09, but ban started in July '09.

    Date of violation 2009/2010 - 1st Quarter
    Date added to website 10/11/2009
    Reference number 222
    Sport Football
    National Governing Body Football Association
    Competitor name Paddy Kenny (IRL)
    Class of drug Stimulants
    Substance Ephedrine
    Action taken Following appeal by the athlete, the original decision to suspend the athlete for nine months from 22 July 2009 to 21 April 2010 was upheld. Athlete also subject to target testing for two years.
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    RichN95 wrote:

    This is a complete non-story. The cycling press have better things to write about and they're probably quite busy. When a sanction is issued it will probably get a paragraph in Cycling Weekly at the most. You seem to think this is some huge scoop that will knock Rob Green off the back of The Sun.

    In one sense I agree - it's not a well known name even for any of us - but if people are taking epo (and it is still an IF) at National B races then I wouldn't say that's a non-story. I've always assumed some people would take some stimulants or maybe if they have gym background use some steroids but perhaps naively I thought EPO was something that would only start to surface at domestic pro level - people making some kind of money out of it.
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  • Jeff Jones
    Jeff Jones Posts: 1,865
    Unlike a lot of other national federations, BC and UK Anti-Doping don't comment on doping cases until they're completed. Not even an A positive or whether there have been any positives in cycling recently (the last one was in 2008)

    So all there is to go on is a rumour, source unknown, which is not strong enough to publish. If there is something to it, it will come out in due course.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Tom Butcher wrote:

    In one sense I agree - it's not a well known name even for any of us - but if people are taking epo (and it is still an IF) at National B races then I wouldn't say that's a non-story. I've always assumed some people would take some stimulants or maybe if they have gym background use some steroids but perhaps naively I thought EPO was something that would only start to surface at domestic pro level - people making some kind of money out of it.

    It's just one bloke though. And he apparently wasn't on a team or anything. There will always be some clown willing to try it on with something he's bought on the internet. It doesn't mean it's widespread.

    The story, if there is one, is more of the 'What a knob? What was he thinking?' kind rather than the 'British Cycling Shame' kind.
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    edited June 2010
    My only concern would be that this gives others ideas, that they feel caught in a "arms race" (no pun) and having a decent bike and training a few times a week is not enough. Hopefully this won't happen but British cycling is pretty clean.

    Just visit an amateur race in Italy or the US and things aren't always so encouraging.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I agree to some extent but testing at lower levels isn't frequent so there may be quite a few out there. I would hope not but it is possible. You only have to look at Welsh rugby to see what happens when the testers show up unexpectedly at lower levels!
  • ProBiker
    ProBiker Posts: 74
    It's actually two riders who have been caught not one. Since nobody has nobody has mentioned it here, I'm not going to spill the beans on names either.

    One of the riders is uci elite 2 and the other is a full uci pro.
  • Rodrego Hernandez
    Rodrego Hernandez Posts: 1,436
    ProBiker wrote:
    It's actually two riders who have been caught not one. Since nobody has nobody has mentioned it here, I'm not going to spill the beans on names either.

    One of the riders is uci elite 2 and the other is a full uci pro.

    The only one I am aware of is an average 1st cat rider, been without a team since April time. If there are others then things are worse than initially thought.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    ProBiker wrote:
    It's actually two riders who have been caught not one. Since nobody has nobody has mentioned it here, I'm not going to spill the beans on names either.

    One of the riders is uci elite 2 and the other is a full uci pro.

    You don't know anything. You've copied and pasted that from the cyclingnews forum (and was posted by someone who has never even raced in Britain).

    See post number 36: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8002&page=4
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  • ProBiker
    ProBiker Posts: 74
    RichN95 wrote:
    ProBiker wrote:
    It's actually two riders who have been caught not one. Since nobody has nobody has mentioned it here, I'm not going to spill the beans on names either.

    One of the riders is uci elite 2 and the other is a full uci pro.

    It's fairly common knowledge who the lads are Rich if your in the Uk racing scene. One of my mates was even in the same race as one of the lads (elite 2) so stop boring us all to death.....
  • Hibbs
    Hibbs Posts: 291
    ProBiker wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ProBiker wrote:
    It's actually two riders who have been caught not one. Since nobody has nobody has mentioned it here, I'm not going to spill the beans on names either.

    One of the riders is uci elite 2 and the other is a full uci pro.

    It's fairly common knowledge who the lads are Rich if your in the Uk racing scene. One of my mates was even in the same race as one of the lads (elite 2) so stop boring us all to death.....

    If that's right, then I'd guess they'd be in addition to the Cat1 hero we are thinking about. Wonder if the two UCI riders were clients of Joe Papp's, which is why he knows about them.

    What annoyed me about that UK doping website is that very few athletes were actually named.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Hibbs wrote:
    What annoyed me about that UK doping website is that very few athletes were actually named.

    And most them were footballers, why is that?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Getting dangerously close to revealing too much information again I think!
  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    Pross wrote:
    Getting dangerously close to revealing too much information again I think!

    Keeps it exciting!

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  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    Pross wrote:
    Getting dangerously close to revealing too much information again I think!

    Oh great so we can have the thread about the thread that was deleted that was about the thread that was deleted.

    Shall we just wait a bit and see what is announced?
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    RichN95 wrote:
    See post number 36: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8002&page=4
    I don't think that's right. Like a lot on the cyclingnews forum, it's either wrong, erroneous, or mistaken.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Kléber wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    See post number 36: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8002&page=4
    I don't think that's right. Like a lot on the cyclingnews forum, it's either wrong, erroneous, or mistaken.

    I don't think it's right either.
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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,718
    I followed the trail and I hadn't heard of them.
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