Positive UK test thread

celbianchi

So where'd it go?
Who posted something they shouldn't?

Rodrego Hernandez

I guess someone wants it kept quiet. Omerta anyone?

Kléber

Someone took a negative view.

But if people know, it will probably leak. The only thing is that it might go on until the B-sample comes back. That's the rules, it's private until then. So no cover up, just due process.

Doobz

or paid some cash to BikeRadar [Lance armstrong + UCI style] to brush it under the carpet..

Rodrego Hernandez

I see now. Bike radar and Pro cycling / cycling news have never gone to press with the results of the A sample only.

At least they are being consistent.

How do they know a B sample has been requested?

John Stevenson

Here's how it works.

There was enough info in that thread that the rider was identifiable. Since no positive test of either A or B sample has been announced, that's libelous.

The thread was brought to our attention. Once we have been alerted to a potentially troublesome posting or thread, we have to act.

So that thread is gone, and we'd appreciate the level of detail not be replicated.

cheers

john

Rodrego Hernandez

So if for example a governing body wanted to keep a positive quiet, they would be able to?

Hibbs

Doobz wrote:

or paid some cash to BikeRadar [Lance armstrong + UCI style] to brush it under the carpet..

Maybe BikeRadar needed a new colour printer.

calvjones

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

So if for example a governing body wanted to keep a positive quiet, they would be able to?

Of course not. Once the A or B test is back, there's no potential libel.

Rodrego Hernandez

The A test is back, that was the point.

jibberjim

John Stevenson wrote:

So that thread is gone, and we'd appreciate the level of detail not be replicated.

And as editor in chief of the site where there's much discussion on the subject, what was British Cycling / UK Sports response to your request for clarification of if there was such an A test failure etc. ?

It seems odd that you don't have any coverage of this.

rockmount

John Stevenson wrote:

Here's how it works.

There was enough info in that thread that the rider was identifiable. Since no positive test of either A or B sample has been announced, that's libelous.

The thread was brought to our attention. Once we have been alerted to a potentially troublesome posting or thread, we have to act.

So that thread is gone, and we'd appreciate the level of detail not be replicated.

cheers

john

Is this a new stance, and will the same be applied to copyright theft, and the other unpleasant practices rife in these forums ?

Percy Vera

Why do I miss all the fun?
I decided to actually do a couple of hours work this afternoon and missed the deleted thread

stfc1

rockmount wrote:

John Stevenson wrote:

Here's how it works.

There was enough info in that thread that the rider was identifiable. Since no positive test of either A or B sample has been announced, that's libelous.

The thread was brought to our attention. Once we have been alerted to a potentially troublesome posting or thread, we have to act.

So that thread is gone, and we'd appreciate the level of detail not be replicated.

cheers

john

Is this a new stance, and will the same be applied to copyright theft, and the other unpleasant practices rife in these forums ?

No:

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12611535

RichN95.

jibberjim wrote:

It seems odd that you don't have any coverage of this.

Why would they? It seems the guy's a complete nobody, so it's not really worth reporting. He's not exactly Valverde. There's very little race reporting on BikeRadar anyway.

John Stevenson

rockmount, if unpleasant practices are brought to our attention, we act on them. As stfc1 points out, there's nothing new about this - it's one of the things the alert system (the exclamation mark up there ^ ) is for.

Beyond that, at the moment there's nothing to cover as it's all rumour. Unsurprisingly, the testing and sporting authorities decline to comment on rumour.

rockmount

stfc1 wrote:

rockmount wrote:

John Stevenson wrote:

Here's how it works.

There was enough info in that thread that the rider was identifiable. Since no positive test of either A or B sample has been announced, that's libelous.

The thread was brought to our attention. Once we have been alerted to a potentially troublesome posting or thread, we have to act.

So that thread is gone, and we'd appreciate the level of detail not be replicated.

cheers

john

Is this a new stance, and will the same be applied to copyright theft, and the other unpleasant practices rife in these forums ?

No:

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12611535

Ok, ok .. obviously the stance I'm referring to is enforcement of http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12611535 :roll: :roll:

jibberjim

John Stevenson wrote:

Beyond that, at the moment there's nothing to cover as it's all rumour. Unsurprisingly, the testing and sporting authorities decline to comment on rumour.

So when you asked them if there had been any UK positive tests in cycling this year, rather than a NO, or a YES, they declined to comment? To me that is worth reporting in itself as it shows the complete disinterest in doping and fighting doping.

Rodrego Hernandez

jibberjim wrote:

John Stevenson wrote:

Beyond that, at the moment there's nothing to cover as it's all rumour. Unsurprisingly, the testing and sporting authorities decline to comment on rumour.

So when you asked them if there had been any UK positive tests in cycling this year, rather than a NO, or a YES, they declined to comment? To me that is worth reporting in itself as it shows the complete disinterest in doping and fighting doping.

It's more of a concern that the authorities / media are maintaining an omerta regarding this than the actual positive test itself. There are more to come by all accounts but will they all be hushed up???

dave_1

Kléber wrote:

Someone took a negative view.

But if people know, it will probably leak. The only thing is that it might go on until the B-sample comes back. That's the rules, it's private until then. So no cover up, just due process.

due process is fair...its better than the trial by forum you and your friends run on here everyday of the week on Armtrong

ketsbaia

John Stevenson wrote:

Here's how it works.

There was enough info in that thread that the rider was identifiable. Since no positive test of either A or B sample has been announced, that's libelous.

The thread was brought to our attention. Once we have been alerted to a potentially troublesome posting or thread, we have to act.

So that thread is gone, and we'd appreciate the level of detail not be replicated.

cheers

john

Libellous, surely?

jibberjim

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

It's more of a concern that the authorities / media are maintaining an omerta regarding this than the actual positive test itself. There are more to come by all accounts but will they all be hushed up???

Exactly, that's the story, if there are positives, why aren't they being announced - and if they were in March, and we're still waiting on B samples, why are they taking so long, and why is the rider still being allowed to compete or being prevented from competing whilst waiting.

3 months is too long to wait, there's no reason it should take so long, and the journalists should be finding out why, not stopping discussion and saying they won't talk about rumours. Stopping the rumours with information is the way forward.

Tom Butcher

I think deleting the thread is fair - I was able to identify who it must have been IF the info on the thread was accurate and it can't be right that riders are outed before the B sample is back.

Does seem strange for a B sample to take so long though - is that normal ? And as so many people seemed to have heard the rumour did it come from the guy himself or was it leaked out ?

ives.

This all smells very fishy to me.
If this guy did dope and was found +ve and nothing done, how many more are going under the radar at local chipper races.
It's so damn easy to buy EPO on ebay these days. I'm sure there are guys sitting in their bedroom thinking, if I just tried this for a week, I could win my local 2/3 race.

Rodrego Hernandez

How do we know the B sample was tested?

AFAIK he held his hands up so no further testing required.

But this isn't about the rider, it's more about the lack of publicity around it and the attempts to keep it quiet.

BikingBernie

Dave_1 wrote:

due process is fair...its better than the trial by forum you and your friends run on here everyday of the week on Armtrong

Clearly the libel- wary staff of BR don't feel there is any chance of legal action arising from comments made about Armstrong. Which itself says a lot.

shockedsoshocked

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

How do we know the B sample was tested?

AFAIK he held his hands up so no further testing required.

But this isn't about the rider, it's more about the lack of publicity around it and the attempts to keep it quiet.

It seems the British domestic scene is extremely good at keeping things quiet. Fortunately it's such a small and fairly insular group of people, you only have to know a couple of lads and you can find out plenty...

BikingBernie

ives. wrote:

This all smells very fishy to me.
If this guy did dope and was found +ve and nothing done, how many more are going under the radar at local chipper races.
It's so damn easy to buy EPO on ebay these days. I'm sure there are guys sitting in their bedroom thinking, if I just tried this for a week, I could win my local 2/3 race.

Aye, things have certainly moved on from the days when the following little fellas were the '3rd cat's favourite'. I also recall one local divi champs where the winner was received in silence and the second place man cheered due to the former rider's open consumption of go-fast powder. Oh and how we laughed when a friend of mine picked up the syringes he found in the gutter at a certain British 'Pro' RR championships and announced loudly that he thought someone had lost something. Then there was the time a mate of mine who had just taken out a British 'pro' licence rang up someone known for spitting milk at Milk Marketing board film shoots and 'prodigious consumption' asking him where he acquired his stash.

Rodrego Hernandez

ives. wrote:

This all smells very fishy to me.
If this guy did dope and was found +ve and nothing done, how many more are going under the radar at local chipper races.
It's so damn easy to buy EPO on ebay these days. I'm sure there are guys sitting in their bedroom thinking, if I just tried this for a week, I could win my local 2/3 race.

This is the story that the 'journalists' at bike radar should be picking up.

How can the media complain about doping in cycling if they are complicit in these sort of cover ups.

BikingBernie

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

How can the media complain about doping in cycling if they are complicit in these sort of cover ups.

And continue to flog magazines by putting pictures of 'Lance' on the cover.

What's more there has been plenty of uncensored discussion of doping on here on the basis of 'A' sample results alone, or even Puerto-style 'suspicions'.

bicyclepirate

Surely it's only libel if its untrue, which is pretty easy to find out. Just ask the guy / or his lawyer and give them the right of reply?