See ya Valv.Piti
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Still maintain there wasn't a lot UCI/Spanish could do. Spanish couldn't act on Puerto as wasn't illegal to blood dope in Spain until late 2006 hence they were afforded no access by judicial authorities to blood bags from before this time. And UCI can only act when national federation has evidence.
Once the Italians circumvented the blood bag veto with a nice sleight of hand, both UCi and Spanish federation pressed on with making ban worlwide. Delays since have been CAS's long adjuciation on the validity of the Italian ban, and once that had gone against Valverde CAS had to make a separate ruling on the Spanish/UCI request to extend it worldwide.0 -
Valverde will have a lot of free time on his hands now eh..0
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Contador just lost the other half of his Tour team! :P"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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Blazing Saddles wrote:Contador just lost the other half of his Tour team! :P
nah the other half wont have divided loyalties now"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
stagehopper wrote:Still maintain there wasn't a lot UCI/Spanish could do. Spanish couldn't act on Puerto as wasn't illegal to blood dope in Spain until late 2006 hence they were afforded no access by judicial authorities to blood bags from before this time. And UCI can only act when national federation has evidence.
Once the Italians circumvented the blood bag veto with a nice sleight of hand, both UCi and Spanish federation pressed on with making ban worlwide. Delays since have been CAS's long adjuciation on the validity of the Italian ban, and once that had gone against Valverde CAS had to make a separate ruling on the Spanish/UCI request to extend it worldwide.
I still don't understand why the sleight of hand was needed - although it was a good one. What is the connection between blood doping not being illegal and the authorities hoarding the blood? This is a genuine question, and I realise it needs someone competent in Spanish law to answer, but there are a lot of people on here who know these kind of things! Anyone?0 -
Not so, the Spaniards sat on the matter. The UCI told them to get a move on but Madrid blocked all investigation and refused to ban Valverde. For once the UCI actually did something useful here and brought both Valverde and the Spanish cycling authorities to court.stagehopper wrote:both UCi and Spanish federation pressed on with making ban worlwide.0 -
Went for a long ride in my Valverde Spanish Champions jersey this afternoon.
Came home and buried it in my backyard.
Hate to see you go, get the hell out...0 -
afx237vi wrote:stjohnswell wrote:Great news. Hopefully AFX won't retrospectively apply to PTP.
Hell no. Landis set the precedent for that one.
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Good of the UCI to wait until after the Giro to announce this one.0
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Any word on what action (if any) Caisse are going to take now?"Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult"0
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They'll sack him citing some bull about it being against their policies.
But let's be frank, they knew full well what they were doing when they set up a team run by Eusebio Unzue and his merry men. As a French bank they could have backed a French run team but that probably wouldn't have meant they got as much coverage for winning races, so they took the devil's coin.0 -
Wit Woo
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What a surprise. Valverde vows to fight on and take his case to the Swiss Supreme Court. And it looks like his team is supporting him:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... suspension
After the Swiss Supreme Courts rules against him - what is next? The United Nations? Intergalactic Court of Justice? :roll:
But in the meantime he won't be able to ride. Should keep him out of the Tour this year again. Don't think he can push his appeal through the Supreme Court that fast.0 -
Bakunin wrote:Went for a long ride in my Valverde Spanish Champions jersey this afternoon.
Came home and buried it in my backyard.
Hate to see you go, get the hell out...
They were arguing about legal technicalities and not whether the blood was his or not. If that's your feelings on the matter then you should have buried the thing about a year ago when the Italians matched his DNA.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
He's claiming the Armstrong defence I see.Valv.Piti wrote:"none of the victories were obtained through use of prohibited practices, which is confirmed because Alejandro Valverde, possibly the most controlled the athlete in the world, has never failed a doping test."
All very interesting but somehow it fails to mention that his blood, which contained EPO, was being stored by a doctor who has confessed to running a doping program for money. Funny that.0 -
dulldave wrote:Bakunin wrote:Went for a long ride in my Valverde Spanish Champions jersey this afternoon.
Came home and buried it in my backyard.
Hate to see you go, get the hell out...
They were arguing about legal technicalities and not whether the blood was his or not. If that's your feelings on the matter then you should have buried the thing about a year ago when the Italians matched his DNA.
Yeah, with the DNA and the EPO, that is when I dug the hole.
I couldn't pull the trigger until it was official. My weakness.
It is an outrage that he gets to keep those victories.0 -
Good, I'm glad a decision one way or the other has finally been reached. It was dragging on way too long.0
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Just catching up on news......................YEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!! Robert Millar for knighthood0
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No Dauphine hat trick then.0
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Why have they decided to revoke all wins and make him pay back prize money from 1st Jan 2010 ?
They're not going to remove his wins prior to this, say they have no evidence he was dopting then, so why this date of 1st Jan ?
And 1st Jan for the ban too - as it's today 1st June and he's been racing the last 5 months, it's a 19-month ban, surely ?0 -
It's a 19-month ban if you look at it as time he was allowed to race. But it's a 2 year ban once you take the results away.
Banned riders can still ride their bikes and train. Just not in races. So look at it as all the racing he did this year was just hard training now as the results don't count.0 -
Will the prize money be taken back off him?0
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It is sad that Valverde still wants to fight. Then again look at Landis. He cheated for years, then when finally caught he got into a massive (and expensive) legal battle.
I love the latest article on CN where the Spanish are complaning this ban is actually more like 3 years because Valverde didn't get to ride the Tour in 2009. What a joke.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:
Look at Landis... people believed him and sent him money?
Nice to know where you stand Iván
Its like the house of commons corruption saga... because everyone (or so they like to believe) is at it they feel morally justified to cheat
same sort of mentality... why pick on me or my mates.. Its the sense of indignation and injustice that someone has banned them . Yet they cant see it from there POV"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
iainf72 wrote:
So he's saying as long as you pass the controls it's okay. Nice to know. I hope they don't get a new sponsor.
This will be Dave_1 on reading this;
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iainf72 wrote:
"Today it is Alejandro Valverde’s turn but how many team-mates did we lose along the way since that famous year 2006?"
W. T. F.
Yeah it's a real blow for cycling that people like Ricco, Rasmussen and Valverde aren't allowed to make a living. A travesty alright.0
