Student debt an election winning topic?
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Agreed teachers giving careers advice shouldn't be part of a teacher's job, I have no idea how careers advice can be given given with the current flux in the economy, not just due to recession but the change in the basis of earnings within the country as a whole. The problem with teachers giving careers advice and in my case quantity surveyors giving careers advice, it will be like Talkie the Talking Toaster from Red Dwarf, the advice will be about toast, education or about toast.
One of things that sticks in my mind is a question a member of my class asked about something called "constructions" which was drawing simple diagrams, as part of first year secondary school maths, the question being what was the practical purpose of the lesson. The teacher, a very good maths teacher did not know why it was a skill we were learning, it is the basis of draftmanship, and design, a simple but effective method of communicating data and this was the basis.
I don't believe that education should be focused on learning skills for work, but the understanding of the practical application of what is being taught could be a useful educational tool, also that academic ability is not the only yardstick of intelligence or self worth. As for student being an election winning topic I somehow doubt that.0 -
johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:A friend in partiucular springs to mind. Very able, 4 As at A level, graduated with a first from Oxford, including various awards for extra curricular activities. Has completed around 7months worth of internships in the field he's chosen (all totally unpaid, so he had to fork out for those too); management consulting; and is currently looking at his 132nd rejection since he graduated in 2008. He's got to 20 final round interviews, of which some have been round 5 (count 'em!), and has been rejected usually on the grounds of "normally we'd take you on, but this year we have better/more experienced candidates", and some because the position has closed due to a worsening of the employers' position.
What should he do? Is he allowed to feel a little agrieved that it is so difficult for him to find a job?
Seeing as he doesn't have any experience of being a manager (I presume), why would anyone give him a job as a management consultant?
If I remember correctly, McKinsey, the daddy of all management consulting, were the first to target high performing university graduates.
I'm applying to quite a few myself, and they all have 'graduate entry' points.
In short, I think you're wrong there!
I know there are graduate vacancies in the field.
What I meant was more why would anyone want to use a management consultant who has never managed anything?
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.
Well, good luck with it. I still think that experience doing the job would be useful, but I must admit that my view of the whole profession is somewhat tainted by personal experience of the "wisdom" of a very successful consultancy firm who came in, proposed changes which every staff member could see was going to end in disaster, and turned a previously efficient and stable department into an inefficient mess with a revolving door for staff - people came in, stayed for a few months then got the hell out as fast as possible (including me). Big, successful firm got a large wad of money, staff and public got a terrible deal.
Two thoughts have occurred to me. Firstly, the public sector isn't going to have as much money to p1ss away as it has done over the past decade, which means that there'll probably be less consultancy work to be had in the future.
Secondly, I seem to recall that you mentioned having a first class history degree at one point. As Passout mentioned in another thread, our heritage and history industry will be a growth area in the next few years. Are you not tempted by that line of work? I would be sorely tempted by working in history if I had a qualification in the subject.0 -
johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.
Well, good luck with it. I still think that experience doing the job would be useful, but I must admit that my view of the whole profession is somewhat tainted by personal experience of the "wisdom" of a very successful consultancy firm who came in, proposed changes which every staff member could see was going to end in disaster, and turned a previously efficient and stable department into an inefficient mess with a revolving door for staff - people came in, stayed for a few months then got the hell out as fast as possible (including me). Big, successful firm got a large wad of money, staff and public got a terrible deal.
Two thoughts have occurred to me. Firstly, the public sector isn't going to have as much money to p1ss away as it has done over the past decade, which means that there'll probably be less consultancy work to be had in the future.
Secondly, I seem to recall that you mentioned having a first class history degree at one point. As Passout mentioned in another thread, our heritage and history industry will be a growth area in the next few years. Are you not tempted by that line of work? I would be sorely tempted by working in history if I had a qualification in the subject.
Who me? I have a first in history yes.
I also have a years' worth of experience in the civil service, as well as the aforementioned consulting experience.
I have no interest in the heritage and history industry. If anything, I rejected that kind of history in the process of achieving my first.
My degree keeps enough high level non-quantifiable jobs in business open to me, and that is where I seem to feel most comfortable.0 -
cycologist wrote:Just heard that the Lib -Dems are going to oppose the vote in Sheffield due to the number of people excluded from the ballot due to the doors being closed in the face of queues of waiting people. Students and residents were segregated and the students not allowed to vote until after the indigenous population effectively disenfranchising the students.
Sounds sensible to me - locals first in order to elect their local politician. It shouldn't have happened in the first place though.'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0 -
Doesn't that sort of thing happen in corrupt nations where the result is decided and the votes made to match?...
Not just in Sheffield but elsewhere in the UK, and those little postal vote irregularites...0 -
passout wrote:cycologist wrote:Just heard that the Lib -Dems are going to oppose the vote in Sheffield due to the number of people excluded from the ballot due to the doors being closed in the face of queues of waiting people. Students and residents were segregated and the students not allowed to vote until after the indigenous population effectively disenfranchising the students.
Sounds sensible to me - locals first in order to elect their local politician. It shouldn't have happened in the first place though.
Bollocks.
If you are a resident in that area, and are registered on the electoral register, then you can vote there.
Since when did your occupation decide what priority your vote has?0 -
It is tantamount to Gerrymandering though, even if that was not the motivation.passout wrote:cycologist wrote:Just heard that the Lib -Dems are going to oppose the vote in Sheffield due to the number of people excluded from the ballot due to the doors being closed in the face of queues of waiting people. Students and residents were segregated and the students not allowed to vote until after the indigenous population effectively disenfranchising the students.
Sounds sensible to me - locals first in order to elect their local politician. It shouldn't have happened in the first place though.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:I have no interest in the heritage and history industry. If anything, I rejected that kind of history in the process of achieving my first.
Sorry, I expressed myself badly there. What I meant was that the growth in the heritage and history industry (tourism) will mean that people's awareness and history will be maintained, which will (hopefully) lead to opportunities in the serious history sector - things like history publishing, journalism, research and so on. I didn't mean prostituting the subject by offering a sugar-coated, superficial, glorified version of history to tourists who just want their pictures taken standing in front of a castle, which is what you probably understood by my post.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:passout wrote:cycologist wrote:Just heard that the Lib -Dems are going to oppose the vote in Sheffield due to the number of people excluded from the ballot due to the doors being closed in the face of queues of waiting people. Students and residents were segregated and the students not allowed to vote until after the indigenous population effectively disenfranchising the students.
Sounds sensible to me - locals first in order to elect their local politician. It shouldn't have happened in the first place though.
Bollocks.
If you are a resident in that area, and are registered on the electoral register, then you can vote there.
Since when did your occupation decide what priority your vote has?
I wasn't referring to occupation and no you 'can't' vote there - that's the problem. You should be able to but not everyone could. I can understand why they took that decision although legally it is dodgy.'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0 -
Simple if you are student apply to vote twice, one at home and one at your Uni, maybe illegal but you'll get at least a vote in
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eh wrote:Simple if you are student apply to vote twice, one at home and one at your Uni, maybe illegal but you'll get at least a vote in
When i was a member of Labour this practice was actively encouraged."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Who cares what students think ? Work shy gits
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Radioactiveman wrote:Who cars what students think ? Work shy gits
Students are work shy gits?
You could not talk more BS if you tried.0 -
freehub wrote:Radioactiveman wrote:Who cars what students think ? Work shy gits
Students are work shy gits?
You could not talk more BS if you tried.
YAY forum fishing I got a bite already :P
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Radioactiveman wrote:Who cars what students think ? Work shy gits
I'm not work shy, I just don't like it
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freehub wrote:Radioactiveman wrote:Who cars what students think ? Work shy gits
Students are work shy gits?
You could not talk more BS if you tried.
Don't knock it til you've tried it Will, I did nowt at uni and it was awesome!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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how did they segregate the students? Surely you just say none of your business or lie when asked if you were a student and carrying on queueing in one line?0
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johnfinch wrote:nolf wrote:A degree is simply a piece of paper that says, I have the brains/work ethic to get a (insert degree class here), and have the skills and ability to learn to do almost any job (independent study, time management, organisation), coupled with some work experience (yes I can get up in the mornings/haven't got serious social issues), is all you need. So long as the degree doesn't say "Sociology" on it, in my experience for the majority of gaduate jobs it really doesn't matter what it is.
I knew a fair few people who graduated from a decent university with good degrees who contradict all of this.
Thats why most jobs have a fairly long application form.
I'm applying for a summer internship with Grant Thornton atm, and my answers come to about 5000 decent words.
The reason I can answer those questions is because my degree has equipped me with the skills to find answers to them. What I was talking about above.
if you come out of university without any of that, you've kind of missed the point, and probably should have worked harder... (it's not an intellect question, instead almost entirely an effort question)."I hold it true, what'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost;
Than never to have loved at all."
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Rick Chasey wrote:johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.
Well, good luck with it. I still think that experience doing the job would be useful, but I must admit that my view of the whole profession is somewhat tainted by personal experience of the "wisdom" of a very successful consultancy firm who came in, proposed changes which every staff member could see was going to end in disaster, and turned a previously efficient and stable department into an inefficient mess with a revolving door for staff - people came in, stayed for a few months then got the hell out as fast as possible (including me). Big, successful firm got a large wad of money, staff and public got a terrible deal.
Two thoughts have occurred to me. Firstly, the public sector isn't going to have as much money to p1ss away as it has done over the past decade, which means that there'll probably be less consultancy work to be had in the future.
Secondly, I seem to recall that you mentioned having a first class history degree at one point. As Passout mentioned in another thread, our heritage and history industry will be a growth area in the next few years. Are you not tempted by that line of work? I would be sorely tempted by working in history if I had a qualification in the subject.
Who me? I have a first in history yes.
I also have a years' worth of experience in the civil service, as well as the aforementioned consulting experience.
I have no interest in the heritage and history industry. If anything, I rejected that kind of history in the process of achieving my first.
My degree keeps enough high level non-quantifiable jobs in business open to me, and that is where I seem to feel most comfortable.
You are Teager AICMFP
Teager goes missing, and some guy who has a first in History, and reckons he is dutch turns up.0 -
redddraggon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.
Well, good luck with it. I still think that experience doing the job would be useful, but I must admit that my view of the whole profession is somewhat tainted by personal experience of the "wisdom" of a very successful consultancy firm who came in, proposed changes which every staff member could see was going to end in disaster, and turned a previously efficient and stable department into an inefficient mess with a revolving door for staff - people came in, stayed for a few months then got the hell out as fast as possible (including me). Big, successful firm got a large wad of money, staff and public got a terrible deal.
Two thoughts have occurred to me. Firstly, the public sector isn't going to have as much money to p1ss away as it has done over the past decade, which means that there'll probably be less consultancy work to be had in the future.
Secondly, I seem to recall that you mentioned having a first class history degree at one point. As Passout mentioned in another thread, our heritage and history industry will be a growth area in the next few years. Are you not tempted by that line of work? I would be sorely tempted by working in history if I had a qualification in the subject.
Who me? I have a first in history yes.
I also have a years' worth of experience in the civil service, as well as the aforementioned consulting experience.
I have no interest in the heritage and history industry. If anything, I rejected that kind of history in the process of achieving my first.
My degree keeps enough high level non-quantifiable jobs in business open to me, and that is where I seem to feel most comfortable.
You are Teager AICMFP
Teager goes missing, and some guy who has a first in History, and reckons he is dutch turns up.
Hmmm, is Rick Chasey Teagar ? If he is does he have the front to "come out" or can he prove he is not Teagar.
Could be Teagar, he has gone missing for a while, he was probably down Wooton Basset in a bomb-vest protesting about something. :evil:0 -
dmclite wrote:redddraggon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.
Well, good luck with it. I still think that experience doing the job would be useful, but I must admit that my view of the whole profession is somewhat tainted by personal experience of the "wisdom" of a very successful consultancy firm who came in, proposed changes which every staff member could see was going to end in disaster, and turned a previously efficient and stable department into an inefficient mess with a revolving door for staff - people came in, stayed for a few months then got the hell out as fast as possible (including me). Big, successful firm got a large wad of money, staff and public got a terrible deal.
Two thoughts have occurred to me. Firstly, the public sector isn't going to have as much money to p1ss away as it has done over the past decade, which means that there'll probably be less consultancy work to be had in the future.
Secondly, I seem to recall that you mentioned having a first class history degree at one point. As Passout mentioned in another thread, our heritage and history industry will be a growth area in the next few years. Are you not tempted by that line of work? I would be sorely tempted by working in history if I had a qualification in the subject.
Who me? I have a first in history yes.
I also have a years' worth of experience in the civil service, as well as the aforementioned consulting experience.
I have no interest in the heritage and history industry. If anything, I rejected that kind of history in the process of achieving my first.
My degree keeps enough high level non-quantifiable jobs in business open to me, and that is where I seem to feel most comfortable.
You are Teager AICMFP
Teager goes missing, and some guy who has a first in History, and reckons he is dutch turns up.
Hmmm, is Rick Chasey Teagar ? If he is does he have the front to "come out" or can he prove he is not Teagar.
Could be Teagar, he has gone missing for a while, he was probably down Wooton Basset in a bomb-vest protesting about something. :evil:
Let's smoke him out..............
The lazy immigrant taxi drivers of Portsmouth were feeling the effects of not speaking English..............
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Aggieboy wrote:dmclite wrote:redddraggon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:johnfinch wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
They all seem to?
I've worked as paid intern at a management consultancy for 5 months and it was not much of a barrier. There's plenty of training, you work in a team with superiors, and, at entry level, a lot of the work is just doing all the groundwork for your superiors, massive data analysis, research, interviews, and analysis of specific issues.
The broader 'management' stuff as such simply isn't dealt with at business analyst level.
That and obviously business analyst billing rates are plenty lower than senior staff.
Well, good luck with it. I still think that experience doing the job would be useful, but I must admit that my view of the whole profession is somewhat tainted by personal experience of the "wisdom" of a very successful consultancy firm who came in, proposed changes which every staff member could see was going to end in disaster, and turned a previously efficient and stable department into an inefficient mess with a revolving door for staff - people came in, stayed for a few months then got the hell out as fast as possible (including me). Big, successful firm got a large wad of money, staff and public got a terrible deal.
Two thoughts have occurred to me. Firstly, the public sector isn't going to have as much money to p1ss away as it has done over the past decade, which means that there'll probably be less consultancy work to be had in the future.
Secondly, I seem to recall that you mentioned having a first class history degree at one point. As Passout mentioned in another thread, our heritage and history industry will be a growth area in the next few years. Are you not tempted by that line of work? I would be sorely tempted by working in history if I had a qualification in the subject.
Who me? I have a first in history yes.
I also have a years' worth of experience in the civil service, as well as the aforementioned consulting experience.
I have no interest in the heritage and history industry. If anything, I rejected that kind of history in the process of achieving my first.
My degree keeps enough high level non-quantifiable jobs in business open to me, and that is where I seem to feel most comfortable.
You are Teager AICMFP
Teager goes missing, and some guy who has a first in History, and reckons he is dutch turns up.
Hmmm, is Rick Chasey Teagar ? If he is does he have the front to "come out" or can he prove he is not Teagar.
Could be Teagar, he has gone missing for a while, he was probably down Wooton Basset in a bomb-vest protesting about something. :evil:
Let's smoke him out..............
The lazy immigrant taxi drivers of Portsmouth were feeling the effects of not speaking English..............[/img]
10/10 for effort and delivery.
I think small Dutch people who come over here, steal our education system and then post shite on forums should go home and stick his finger in a leaky dyke, sorry dike. :P0
