If I was a motorist, critical mass would anger me

AndyManc

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


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lost_in_thought

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


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Wow, you're a great advert for the CM values, rude, disrespectful, extremist, out to cause inconvenience...

AndyManc

lost_in_thought wrote:

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


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Wow, you're a great advert for the CM values, rude, disrespectful, extremist, out to cause inconvenience...

I'm not rude, I don't consider myself to be an extremist, though amongst many of the passive,benign individuals on this forum that may seem the case.

I certainly have more respect for others than the vast majority of motorists show cyclists.

Don't you consider the total lack of respect many motorists show towards other roads users" rude, disrespectful, extremist, out to cause inconvenience" .

I expect ALL cyclists to fight for change, to fight for respect and to fight for equality on our roads.

Cycling is part of a political goal, for me that involves revolution, I realise for many on this forum cycling is a fashion, a sport, a cheap form of transport and it plays no part in politics (though essentially everything does) , but I have a different view.


Instead of getting upset about the few truths I speak, why not get angry about the cyclists that are murdered on our streets every year in this country, those that are left for dead, the thousands of near misses,the deliberate attacks, maybe attend a CM and listen to those that are as passionate as I am about readdressing the inequalities in society and on our roads ... you might learn a few things.


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itboffin

DonDaddyD wrote:

Coming home late on Friday, I find myself cycling over Waterloo bridge, scalps are flying and pedestrains to my left find their vision momentarily blurred as my speed bends the very light before them, but that is another story.

As I perform my sprint I notice on my left a critical mass collection of cyclists taking up the entire width and length of Waterloo bridge, they're pootling. This was Friday, and though I'm up for a good protest, we don't protest enough and in someways have lost a large portion of our rights to do so. Those rights however, I suspect won't matter when the London Riots of 2012 happen once the Conservatives get settled in and start butt screwing the poor to feed the rich. Anyway, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist waiting behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Having seen one in the flesh, I'm not actually sure they serve any purpose that benefits the greater majority of cyclists.

Rich needs feeding, he's very thin you know :P

I had a dream the other night, someone had messed with the syntax of my new distributed package repository system, as you can imagine I was furious, no really! :roll:

I might be spending too much time working with UNIX :?

itboffin

Kieran_Burns wrote:

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Dude FAIL spaces in your binary please :P

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shouldbeinbed

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


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this is part of the problem I have with CM, particularly round here (Oldham/Manchester) I don't ever see even the slightest media or public acknowledgement of it, How are you getting any sort of message across to the wider public when CM is either completely ignored by the media or is censored from public view?

Also I find that the vast majority of motorists I encounter daily are polite and courteous to my lifestyle choice (I choose to vent my political spleen elsewhere - a bike for me is a form of transport I enjoy and which allows me to eat pizza and drink Guinness without having to go to a god awful soulless gym ever) Even on tight windy roads whre I am holding people up often during rush hour, they wait until it is safe to pass me and in 15 years on that particular stretch through Clayton & Medlock Vale to/from Woodhouses I've had a horn sounded at me once.

Maybe I emit a calmer vibe than you do when riding, seeing as I don't regard anyone in a car (me sometimes, my wife, my friends, family, neighbours, work colleagues) as c**ts & assholes and I don't ride with an attitude of F**k you all.

Manchester is trying and is improving (no doubt in part due to I Bike Mcr, GMCC etc) but I feel that it still isn't a particularly bike oriented city but its not some sort of terrible motorgeddon either.

I'm looking forward to the Skyrides as a far more accessible and user friendly way of getting the cycling is fun message over to people (but sadly these are being pretty much ignored too by the mainstream media) than is reached by such beligerant confrontational tactics of politically motivated CM'ers as shown here.

the last few bits of shouting or grief I've had have been 1 other cyclist who didn't like being overtaken, 2 pedestrians who were stood in the road expecting everyone to stop for them to cross and some nut job leaping off the pavement waving a carving knife at me at half 11 one night.
Should I have my own little CM on the pavements since I have more trouble with my non motorised bretheren?

Mr Sworld

Critical Mass?

Bring it on!

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/46171/BRI/Brighton-amp-Hove/Brighton-Naked-Bike-Ride-2010/The-Level/

roger_merriman

AndyManc wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


.

Wow, you're a great advert for the CM values, rude, disrespectful, extremist, out to cause inconvenience...

I'm not rude, I don't consider myself to be an extremist, though amongst many of the passive,benign individuals on this forum that may seem the case.

I certainly have more respect for others than the vast majority of motorists show cyclists.

Don't you consider the total lack of respect many motorists show towards other roads users" rude, disrespectful, extremist, out to cause inconvenience" .

I expect ALL cyclists to fight for change, to fight for respect and to fight for equality on our roads.

Cycling is part of a political goal, for me that involves revolution, I realise for many on this forum cycling is a fashion, a sport, a cheap form of transport and it plays no part in politics (though essentially everything does) , but I have a different view.


Instead of getting upset about the few truths I speak, why not get angry about the cyclists that are murdered on our streets every year in this country, those that are left for dead, the thousands of near misses,the deliberate attacks, maybe attend a CM and listen to those that are as passionate as I am about readdressing the inequalities in society and on our roads ... you might learn a few things.


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cycling isn't a dangerous activity, deaths are in the same ball park as DIY and other such things ie low enough that it wobbles up and down a few % every year.

in london it's about the same as being killed by being shot, in terms of numbers.

I have no inequality on the road, I just ride the bike, in many way by bike I am more equal I can commute cutting though royal parks I can bypass the bits it snarls up in short order, and so on.

I'm not a fan of the gutter so cars will have to pass rather than squeeze though. this said bar the rare fool don't have a problem.

Thus far CM have impressed upon myself that at best they do nothing (most london folks wouldn't know of them let alone uk as a whole) at worse they antagonise.

itboffin

Mr Sworld wrote:

Critical Mass?

Bring it on!

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/46171/BRI/Brighton-amp-Hove/Brighton-Naked-Bike-Ride-2010/The-Level/

Why or farking why do people feel the need to cycle naked, everything about that is wrong! naked cycling just think about it, where are all the bits going to go, mmmh? we wear padded shorts and lycra for a good reason.

Also these events attract the sorts of people that really shouldn't be taking their clothes off in public.

The Rookie

AndyManc wrote:

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

In which case they would be well within their rights to not give a F*** (as you so inelegantly insist on putting it) about cyclists, and as we are the vulnerable ones that is a singularily stupid attitude to try and portray.

I drive and I cycle, I don't live in a major city with vaguely conveniant public transport so have little choice but to drive as well, even work doesn't accomodate cyclists so I have to drive occasionaly to transport 'stuff'.

Most motorists are sensible and courteous, a few are careless, I've never come across any deliberate antaginism, so I would prefer education to trying to antagonise them!

Simon

PBo

hey there The Beginner.
DDD may or may not feel the same, but a formatting error in your post is attributing a pretty strong quote to him instead of Andy Manc - could you edit your post? cheers

glauciaregina9

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


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Ummmm....

I'm sure you had an excellent point to make somewhere, but unfortunately your rant came across more like Father Jack with all the effing and blinding.

Perception is everything, and the perception just created of a passionate CM supporter is not a good one.

Unfortunately the only opinion about CM that I can take away from this is that none of you 'give a f***' about other road users other than yourself. Well, congratulations. Excellent attitude to perpetuate.

But, Isn't this exactly the same attitude exhibited by some motorists that you wish to stamp out?

I certainly don't wish to be included in the 'comradeship among cyclists' if this is the state of mind I'd be condoning.

However, I do agree with your statement about society having become a slave to the motor vehicle, and the resulting social and enviromental damage, but that issue goes waaaaaay beyond 'ride a bike instead' ...

PBo

Kieran_Burns wrote:

Jay dubbleU wrote:

Aidy wrote:

PBo wrote:

Jay dubbleU wrote:

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't

best. binary. joke. ever.

Oldest binary joke ever.

Back to the Heisenberg Syndrome then - now who was I ?

I'm uncertain.... how about you?

I know who you are, i just can't be sure exactly where you are......

iPete

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


.

I'd like to echo all of the above responses to this, talk about fail. What we really need is a car vs bike divide :roll:

I'm not sure where you cycle but covering 35 miles a day in central london and the suburbs, I'm left scratching my head as to where all these "c*** sat in cars" and "assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life" are?

Don't be surprised when people give the same respect you give them.

rjsterry

glauciaregina9 wrote:

AndyManc wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

, I'm up for a good protest, mass march and revolution but had I been a motorist wating behind those cyclists I'd have been annoyed.

Clearly you're not up for a revolution, if upsetting a few tw***s in cars causes you sleepless nights.

CM is about many issues, ending car slave culture is one of them, getting society to acknowledge the damage this culture is also one of them.

I don't give a f*** if I upset any c*** sat in a car.

The reason I don't give a f*** is because, on a daily basis I'm surrounded by assholes that have ZERO respect for my safety or life.

I agree it's debatable what CM achieves, but one thing it does achieve it to create a comradeship among cyclists from all walks of life , for a few hours each month they feel safe to cycle in their own city, where the tide is turned and the motorist becomes the harassed and intimidated.

F*** THEM ALL, for a few hours a month, they deserve it.


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Ummmm....

I'm sure you had an excellent point to make somewhere, but unfortunately your rant came across more like Father Jack with all the effing and blinding.

Perception is everything, and the perception just created of a passionate CM supporter is not a good one.

Unfortunately the only opinion about CM that I can take away from this is that none of you 'give a f***' about other road users other than yourself. Well, congratulations. Excellent attitude to perpetuate.

But, Isn't this exactly the same attitude exhibited by some motorists that you wish to stamp out?

I certainly don't wish to be included in the 'comradeship among cyclists' if this is the state of mind I'd be condoning.

However, I do agree with your statement about society having become a slave to the motor vehicle, and the resulting social and enviromental damage, but that issue goes waaaaaay beyond 'ride a bike instead' ...

Quite! And I do feel safe generally when I cycle in London (otherwise I wouldn't), or at least as safe as when I travel by car. I often feel less safe when surrounded by a load of RLJing slow moving cyclists, so CM certainly wouldn't make me feel any comradeship.

Lastly, motorists seem to accept sittng in stationary traffic as a fact of life, so one more traffc jam caused by cyclists certainly isn't going to persuade anyone out of their car.

greg66_tri_v2.0

AndyManc wrote:

I expect ALL cyclists to fight for change, to fight for respect and to fight for equality on our roads.

Good luck with that. Let us know how you get on.

AndyManc wrote:

Instead of getting upset about the few truths I speak, why not get angry about the cyclists that are murdered on our streets every year in this country, those that are left for dead, the thousands of near misses,the deliberate attacks, maybe attend a CM and listen to those that are as passionate as I am about readdressing the inequalities in society and on our roads ... you might learn a few things.

Quite. CM gets hijacked by some other minority interest desperate for a wider platform.

CM. Cycling Marxists.

Simples.

DonDaddyD

Sigh... Andy Manc, you are like the old war hero still trying to find a war to fight when the rest of World is happily at peace. Like this guy

I'm not rude, I don't consider myself to be an extremist

I'm sure the people who bombed London Underground didn't think they were exremists as well, I'm sure they believe themselves heroes.... :roll:

Lastly

Flipping hell, when I said I'm up for a good protest I meant, yes I am, but let it be for something worth protesting about and let it be because you're fighting against true injustice.

But first lets ensure that every other methods of protest has been exhausted.

There are other far more constructive ways of raising awareness of cycling and to help improve the situation as oppose to waging war against motorist, which many cyclist can also claim to be.

:roll:

W1

Jeez, another great advert for cyling and Critical Mass there.

CrackFox

Listen. If you wanted to join Critical Mass, you'd have to really hate motorists"
"I do!"'
"Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than motorists are the f**king CTC!"
"Splitters!"

Etc

rjsterry

CrackFox wrote:

Listen. If you wanted to join Critical Mass, you'd have to really hate motorists"
"I do!"'
"Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than motorists are the f**king CTC!"
"Splitters!"

Etc

Perfect.

lost_in_thought

AndyManc wrote:

I'm not rude, I don't consider myself to be an extremist, though amongst many of the passive,benign individuals on this forum that may seem the case.

I certainly have more respect for others than the vast majority of motorists show cyclists.

Don't you consider the total lack of respect many motorists show towards other roads users" rude, disrespectful, extremist, out to cause inconvenience" .

And yet, you insist on foul language and exhibit what seems to be a burning hatred for motorists? Doesn't sound much like respect to me, and it is rather rude. I have rarely, if ever (I can think of two occasions) experienced a lack of respect on the road while cycling, in fact quite the contrary.

AndyManc wrote:

I expect ALL cyclists to fight for change, to fight for respect and to fight for equality on our roads.

Cycling is part of a political goal, for me that involves revolution, I realise for many on this forum cycling is a fashion, a sport, a cheap form of transport and it plays no part in politics (though essentially everything does) , but I have a different view.

Instead of getting upset about the few truths I speak, why not get angry about the cyclists that are murdered on our streets every year in this country, those that are left for dead, the thousands of near misses,the deliberate attacks, maybe attend a CM and listen to those that are as passionate as I am about readdressing the inequalities in society and on our roads ... you might learn a few things.
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I'm definitely not going to a CM if they're all as 'passionate' as you are. Do you have little red books?

And I'm not really seeing this inequality.

stuaff

I have no problem with CM per se, I know people who take part....but we need less confrontation on the roads, not more! I don't want drivers to feel intimidated, I just want them to give me some room, show a little patience and overtake me only when it's safe to do so, not use their horns just because I don't use the cycle lane on account of it being heavily potholed and covered in loose chippings, etc....On FNRttCs, I see plenty of bad behaviour from drivers & the late-night life of London & the home counties (egg & bottle throwing, verbal abuse, intimidating drivers on occasion), and we got barred from using Gatwick airport as a mid-way tea stop for entirely spurious reasons (though possibly also they some how confused us with some cycling enviromental protestors..). But we also get friendly queries about what we're doing, calls of 'go cyclists' from revellers, and so on. Drivers aren't c***s, people are. And some people at that, including those who cycle.

stuaff

lost_in_thought wrote:

[I have rarely, if ever (I can think of two occasions) experienced a lack of respect on the road while cycling, in fact quite the contrary.

You've been lucky there. Not every day, not every week or even every month....but intimidating behaviour or insults from drivers is a fairly regular occurence for me. If not that, it's drivers choosing to ignore my presence on rat run roads (if they don't look me in the eye presumably I'm not there), which does happen pretty much every day.

+1 to the other points though. If you think you're better than someone else, act like it....

DonDaddyD

Irrespective of the number of times you've witnessed poor driving given the number of vehicles there is bound to be more examples of good driving. You just remember the poor driving more. It's like the majority of cyclists don't RLJ but the few that do stand out. So StuAff, I have to say its a moot point.

Bottom line.

Lost_in_Thought is right.

davis

Blimey. AndyManc, The road should be a cooperative environment, and you're actively turning it into a more combative one. Doesn't sound like the best way of earning any respect.

stuaff

DonDaddyD wrote:

Irrespective of the number of times you've witnessed poor driving given the number of vehicles there is bound to be more examples of good driving. You just remember the poor driving more. It's like the majority of cyclists don't RLJ but the few that do stand out. So StuAff, I have to say its a moot point.

Bottom line.

Lost_in_Thought is right.

I'm not saying she isn't. And I don't mean bad driving in that sense, I mean drivers treating me like dirt/second class citizen/like I just don't exist/so on. Which happens all too frequently. Just as there are far too many RLJing pavement riding ninja idiots on bikes. Not a moot point, it's a fact. There are not 'bound to be more examples of good driving' or cycling, unfortunately.....

roger_merriman

StuAff wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Irrespective of the number of times you've witnessed poor driving given the number of vehicles there is bound to be more examples of good driving. You just remember the poor driving more. It's like the majority of cyclists don't RLJ but the few that do stand out. So StuAff, I have to say its a moot point.

Bottom line.

Lost_in_Thought is right.

I'm not saying she isn't. And I don't mean bad driving in that sense, I mean drivers treating me like dirt/second class citizen/like I just don't exist/so on. Which happens all too frequently. Just as there are far too many RLJing pavement riding ninja idiots on bikes. Not a moot point, it's a fact. There are not 'bound to be more examples of good driving' or cycling, unfortunately.....

this may be a area thing or style of riding? even at my slow pace, (the commute bike is a 50lb beast) cars wait, etc. while I do see poor driving it's not around myself.

DonDaddyD

StuAff wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Irrespective of the number of times you've witnessed poor driving given the number of vehicles there is bound to be more examples of good driving. You just remember the poor driving more. It's like the majority of cyclists don't RLJ but the few that do stand out. So StuAff, I have to say its a moot point.

Bottom line.

Lost_in_Thought is right.

I'm not saying she isn't. And I don't mean bad driving in that sense, I mean drivers treating me like dirt/second class citizen/like I just don't exist/so on. Which happens all too frequently. Just as there are far too many RLJing pavement riding ninja idiots on bikes. Not a moot point, it's a fact. There are not 'bound to be more examples of good driving' or cycling, unfortunately.....

See my issue is frequency and true I can't speak from your experience so I'll speak from mine.

I get home, I tell my girlfriend about a car that cut me up or treated me poorly on the road. By the end of th week my girlfriend turns to me and says something along the line of "I don't think you should cycle it sounds dangerous all you've done is mention incidents where your safety has been threatened".

Now this may be the case to her, but what she isn't considering is that that is just one incident out of well above 100 encounters I have with car's during my commute (and I do reckon I pass easily over 100 cars a day and more drive past me).

So again I question the frequency of poor driving encoutered and whether it is actually that high or simply because we tend not to forget things that are contary to the norm.

lost_in_thought

StuAff wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Irrespective of the number of times you've witnessed poor driving given the number of vehicles there is bound to be more examples of good driving. You just remember the poor driving more. It's like the majority of cyclists don't RLJ but the few that do stand out. So StuAff, I have to say its a moot point.

Bottom line.

Lost_in_Thought is right.

I'm not saying she isn't. And I don't mean bad driving in that sense, I mean drivers treating me like dirt/second class citizen/like I just don't exist/so on. Which happens all too frequently. Just as there are far too many RLJing pavement riding ninja idiots on bikes. Not a moot point, it's a fact. There are not 'bound to be more examples of good driving' or cycling, unfortunately.....

Yeah, this has been talked about before, if I (can't speak for you obviously) were to try to count every car that I passed (or passed me), and compare that total to the number who behaved badly, or even just a bit stupidly, the good would probably outweigh the bad 70-1.

DonDaddyD

lost_in_thought wrote:

StuAff wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Irrespective of the number of times you've witnessed poor driving given the number of vehicles there is bound to be more examples of good driving. You just remember the poor driving more. It's like the majority of cyclists don't RLJ but the few that do stand out. So StuAff, I have to say its a moot point.

Bottom line.

Lost_in_Thought is right.

I'm not saying she isn't. And I don't mean bad driving in that sense, I mean drivers treating me like dirt/second class citizen/like I just don't exist/so on. Which happens all too frequently. Just as there are far too many RLJing pavement riding ninja idiots on bikes. Not a moot point, it's a fact. There are not 'bound to be more examples of good driving' or cycling, unfortunately.....

Yeah, this has been talked about before, if I (can't speak for you obviously) were to try to count every car that I passed (or passed me), and compare that total to the number who behaved badly, or even just a bit stupidly, the good would probably outweigh the bad 70-1.

That's what I said, I want my darn-gone plus one. Plus one me!