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  • rake
    rake Posts: 3,204
    edited February 2010
    thats sorted then. im off to pray to allah 5 times a day. hope the boss is flexible.
  • markyboy2005
    markyboy2005 Posts: 465
    rake wrote:
    thats sorted then. im of to pray to allah 5 times a day. hope the boss is flexible.

    Hi Rake,

    I am detecting you are a little anti-muslim? I may be wrong, so apologies if I am.

    However so far, I have asked you 2 or 3 times if your original assertion that the Halal slaughter of animals is illegal in the UK is in fact illegal and you have just refused to answer.

    It would appear to be, from other posters comments that it isn't.

    So your original concern that the law was being changed just for these people does not seem to be the real issue. As I stated, if the law was being changed, I would have agreed "seems a bit wrong", but lets face it, it's not......is it?

    Then with your last comment I think you have really exposed the issue.....again I may be wrong.

    I am in fact "the boss" in a predominantly Muslim country running a project with approx 500 people on it not including sub-cons.....

    Let me give you some insight:

    First prayers are before most people come to work and actually because of this it means many of my team are in work very early. A positive benefit to me.

    There are also prayers in the evening. Many of the people in the office like to do this is groups so they stay in the office till later and go together to the office Masjid - again in terms of time, a benefit to "the boss".

    The only time where I experience any kind of negative impact to the working hours is on Fridays (difficult to schedule a meaningful afternoon meeting) and during Ramadan, where most leave early to break fast with loved ones.

    However, the overall experience for me is that the 5 times a day obligation does not impact the delivery of the team.

    So the flexible boss theory should not be an issue..... :)

    Just one other point - what do you think would happen to the boss if he wasn't flexible about your 5 prayers a day? In the UK, I guess he would be in a bit of trouble......Over here, I can tell you the answer to that.......it goes something like....."thanks for your service, here is your flight ticket home"

    Cheers
  • markyboy2005
    markyboy2005 Posts: 465
    Pross wrote:
    To be honest the slaughtering technique is pretty much the same it is for veal from what I've read. This is obviously overlooked by some groups who want to use it to back up their "cruel foreigner" arguments rather than a genuine animal welfare concern.

    Can't really comment on the mass butchering but I'm sure some form of mass slaughter must take place when feeding the people in large cities in Muslim countries, they can't all have home raised meat supplies.

    Pross we essentially agree - I was doing my best to try and get rake to expand on his illegal argument, but it does appear that was nothing to do with it.

    I also agree with some other people that the method is irrelevant, if you eat meat animals suffer for that. Either we accept that or not and get on with our life - personally for me, I eat meat.

    I was also doing a bit of the devils advocate bit on the whole personal attachment to the process as I live in a country where almost all of the food in the supermarket is segregated between Halal and Haram....trust me, the Halal section is pretty big (haram is 6 foot square section of Pork) - I was just trying to offer some feedback from people to open debate. Of course there must be mass production of Halal meat to feed the 220M Muslims in this country :wink:

    Only two exceptions I would give to this:

    1. Once you get out of the cities in Indonesia, there are still many people who raise and slaughter their own animals in a small scale for immediate family/village - I think they probably still believe the personal connection theory

    2. During the build up to Idul Ada (sic) even some city slickers tie a goat or two up in the garden and slaughter it as a family experience so at least they are reminding themselves of where meat comes from and in some way re-creating that attachment.

    I just felt this entire thread was hijacked a little by people forcing blinkered western ideals about what is right and wrong....wanted to challenge that.

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