Can't stop eating? Wtf.

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  • fastercyclist
    fastercyclist Posts: 396
    freehub wrote:
    Slow1972 wrote:
    Yes I agree, I think that's another reason why fructose and/or maltodextrin is used in the energy drinks. It's not as sweet.

    http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders ... todextrin/

    I use maltodextrin and fructose mixed 2:1 and just flavour with fruit squash. But. if Will is trying to come up with something cheaper he's going to just have to see what he can live with and normal sugar is as cheap as it gets.

    How long would a 5kg tub last for?

    50g of it has 47 g of carbs so going by what was said earlier there is no point in consuming more then 65 grams per hour. At maximum concentration that gives you 77 hours of cycling worth. This is not mixed with fructose.
    The British Empire never died, it just moved to the Velodrome
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    I might buy a 5kg tub of this and fructose in April time and see what it does in my drink bottles mixed with dilute orange juice or summer fruits from Aldi.

    In the meantime, I will try to measure 60G of sugar and place it in my bottle with orange juice, maybe 50G.
  • sandbag
    sandbag Posts: 429
    Bhima wrote:
    Now you know why I bought so much honey! It's a great blend of glucost and fructose. :D

    (I'll get in touch regarding bananas soon Will)

    Yes honey has both but they are at 1:1 ratio 44/50. Find some more glucose...
  • sandbag
    sandbag Posts: 429
    Bhima wrote:
    sandbag wrote:
    0.5-1g of carbs can be absorbed(oxidation) per minute,

    What you can do is increase the uptake rate of carbs per minute to between 1.3g - 1.7g by taking a 2:1 ratio of glucose to fructose.

    Is this not the "normal" rate; i.e. when not riding? When you do hard exercise, I thought the intake shot up through the roof to allow more absorption, hence the infamous "glycogen window" effect etc...

    Take those figures with a pinch of salt. 0.5-1.0g is at the rate for exercise. Faster with harder exercise? No, there is a limit that can be digested. But taking 2 monosaccharide sugars bond into a disaccharide and absorb faster.

    The glycogen repletion window is for after exercise. After exercise, the muscles are screaming for nutrients, you also stocking up the liver. You promoting muscle cell anabolism. You stock up with a 4:1 ratio of carbs to protein within an hour or earlier, and later have a protein, complex carb meal. If you still hungry after that, try snacking on seeds and nuts.
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Are peanuts considered healthy? I looked on the back and per 100G these had 49G of fat, 30G of which was saturated :shock:
  • obizzle
    obizzle Posts: 28
    not roasted/salted peanuts. Looks for raw ones.
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    freehub wrote:
    Are peanuts considered healthy? I looked on the back and per 100G these had 49G of fat, 30G of which was saturated :shock:

    Might be better if you get peanuts still in the shell (they won't have been roasted and salted) but peanuts are still 2nd only to Cashews in the chubby nut stakes.

    Try almonds (not roasted and salted obviously).
  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    Cashews are AWESOME. :!:
  • Heckler1974
    Heckler1974 Posts: 479
    Cashews are the Rapha/Assos of the nut world, but like these two premium brands, evoke guilt after purchase.
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Don't bring Cashews near me, you'll never see em again.

    I'm not so sure you know the main problem on Saturday was with food, I'm hoping I was on a bad week, maybe had abit of a bad chest, I did have a cold yesterday it's fading today tho, but I've noticed my HR has not been "as normal", also my breathing has not being as good, I have not being able to take in large breaths all the time and breath out properly as well as have a clear free running airway, but today I seem to be breathing better as well as not having to breath much, maybe 6 times a min which seems ok. I'm riding tomoz, going round the bike shops, I'll see how I am tomoz, hoping to be doing well on the bike tomoz and might do 60 mile training ride on Saturday.

    I intentionally "over slept" this morning, so I had 11 hours sleep which I think has actually helped. Still gonna wack plenty of sugar in my drink tomoz tho and maybe make some flapjack. I want to aim to eliminate Mars Bars by Summer 8)
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Is it true that, after exercise, your blood is slightly acid, and the way your body makes it alkaline again is to use nitrogen and calcium, and calcium is taken from the bones and nitrogen from the breakdown of muscles? The way to stop this is by eating fruit and veg?
  • colonel_mustard
    colonel_mustard Posts: 15
    freehub wrote:
    Is it true that, after exercise, your blood is slightly acid, and the way your body makes it alkaline again is to use nitrogen and calcium, and calcium is taken from the bones and nitrogen from the breakdown of muscles? The way to stop this is by eating fruit and veg?

    Yes. After training you need to stop this from happening (by eating fruit and veg) or some of your hard work will be undone as muscle breaks down.
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  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    freehub wrote:
    Is it true that, after exercise, your blood is slightly acid, and the way your body makes it alkaline again is to use nitrogen and calcium, and calcium is taken from the bones and nitrogen from the breakdown of muscles? The way to stop this is by eating fruit and veg?

    Exercise does cause a drop in pH in your blood and cells, however this is buffered with Bicarbonate.

    Do a proper warm down and you'll be fine. People tend to have an issue because they do a hard session, climb off their bike/finish weights without warming down or stretching and wonder why their legs are shot the next day. For the most part it's avoidable, and unless you have a poor diet or don't eat properly your body shouldn't have to rely on breaking down muscle for its fuel.
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    I never really warm down, like after tuesday I was doing the last 3 miles at about 25mph and got home at that speed, stopped, got off the bike and went for shower, never realised "warming down" was important, I'll try it from now on though.

    Doing this on Saturday, first half is with club run, they going for cafe stop in Filey, so I'm going to cut off and do it none stop and second half solo, into a gusting headwind by the looks of it :twisted:, I'll try use it as learning for eating more regular.

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  • sandbag
    sandbag Posts: 429
    edited February 2010
    Glucose and Vitamin C have very similar chemical properties. They share the same insulin tunneling mechanism into cells, basically they compete. Excessive sugar(high glucose levels) hinders vitamin c entry into cells, this significantly suppress the immune system to fight colds, infection etc.

    So i say, maybe a good idea to take more vitamin c or more importantly watch your sugar intake. Rely on complex carbs more. If you take low gi carbs at the same time as high GI carbs, less insulin is produced. If you get sick, stay off the sugar. Taking fruit juice for the vitamin c is a bad idea, it got a ton of sugar in it.
  • bexley5200
    bexley5200 Posts: 692
    2 big macks go large for me,please
    going downhill slowly

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