Ali Dizaei
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his dad takes care of that.0
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This man is a disgrace to the Met and a totally distasteful human being. I understand his nick name was the ' teflon kid'.....he now has a long time to think about his actions.0
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nicensleazy wrote:This man is a disgrace to the Met and a totally distasteful human being. I understand his nick name was the ' teflon kid'.....he now has a long time to think about his actions.
What sort of Prison will he be sent to? Will he be in with the Bank Robbers or the nonces? Surely someone is going to go for him.0 -
It brings into question every case he's ever dealt with IMO...0
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I guess he will go on some kind of secure wing in prison.0
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Frank the Tank, Markwalker, saying (in effect) that all people from ethnic minorities play the race card whenever a misfortune befalls them is stupid. The fact that this copper played the race card doesn't mean we should just give up on the fight against racism.0
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teagar wrote:Frank the tank wrote:You understand how things (should) be, I understand how they are at least in the world I live in. You obviously live in a different world to myself. I've no problem with that it's the way it is.
When I see your posts I can't help but think of a county court judge who came from a priviledged background and lives in a cottage in the cotswolds, trying to understand why these "chavs" on some council estate just can't all just get along like jolly good fellows.
They live in different worlds.
No you can't be 20 years older but I know life has changed me over 20-30 years it does, whoever you are.
Education makes you clever but life makes you wise.
Let me get this straight: You're defending your pretty poor generalisation that all non-White's at some point use their ethnicity as an excuse when they are rejected from an instutition on the grounds that you live in a different world to me, where such an observation is legitimate? Sheesh.
For the record: Education doesn't make you smart. People are smart (or not). There are plenty of stupid people who are educated. Even you must know a few.
Back to the OP - there is real danger that in hijacking the issue of institutional racism, which was certainly an issue and possibly still is, for his own corrupt schemes, this policeman has left the door wide open for those with less noble motives to roll things back in terms of racism in the police.
Sorry Teagar, but that last statement isn't actually too accurate. Ali Dizaei is the one who has exploited and corrupted here, hence the conviction and sentence. What you said is potentially subversive and totally without foundation in this instance.0 -
teagar wrote:Frank the tank wrote:You understand how things (should) be, I understand how they are at least in the world I live in. You obviously live in a different world to myself. I've no problem with that it's the way it is.
When I see your posts I can't help but think of a county court judge who came from a priviledged background and lives in a cottage in the cotswolds, trying to understand why these "chavs" on some council estate just can't all just get along like jolly good fellows.
They live in different worlds.
No you can't be 20 years older but I know life has changed me over 20-30 years it does, whoever you are.
Education makes you clever but life makes you wise.
Let me get this straight: You're defending your pretty poor generalisation that all non-White's at some point use their ethnicity as an excuse when they are rejected from an instutition on the grounds that you live in a different world to me, where such an observation is legitimate? Sheesh.
For the record: Education doesn't make you smart. People are smart (or not). There are plenty of stupid people who are educated. Even you must know a few.
Back to the OP - there is real danger that in hijacking the issue of institutional racism, which was certainly an issue and possibly still is, for his own corrupt schemes, this policeman has left the door wide open for those with less noble motives to roll things back in terms of racism in the police.
Sorry Teagar, but that last statement isn't actually too accurate. Ali Dizaei is the one who has exploited and corrupted here, hence the conviction and sentence. What you said is potentially subversive and totally without foundation in this instance.0 -
teagar wrote:Frank the tank wrote:You understand how things (should) be, I understand how they are at least in the world I live in. You obviously live in a different world to myself. I've no problem with that it's the way it is.
When I see your posts I can't help but think of a county court judge who came from a priviledged background and lives in a cottage in the cotswolds, trying to understand why these "chavs" on some council estate just can't all just get along like jolly good fellows.
They live in different worlds.
No you can't be 20 years older but I know life has changed me over 20-30 years it does, whoever you are.
Education makes you clever but life makes you wise.
Let me get this straight: You're defending your pretty poor generalisation that all non-White's at some point use their ethnicity as an excuse when they are rejected from an instutition on the grounds that you live in a different world to me, where such an observation is legitimate? Sheesh.
For the record: Education doesn't make you smart. People are smart (or not). There are plenty of stupid people who are educated. Even you must know a few.
Back to the OP - there is real danger that in hijacking the issue of institutional racism, which was certainly an issue and possibly still is, for his own corrupt schemes, this policeman has left the door wide open for those with less noble motives to roll things back in terms of racism in the police.
Sorry Teagar, but that last statement isn't actually too accurate. Ali Dizaei is the one who has exploited and corrupted here, hence the conviction and sentence. What you said is potentially subversive and totally without foundation in this instance.0 -
well I think Teagars statement has legs; the fact that comments on this thread to the effect that "they always play the race card" shows that Dizaei's clearly criminal behaviour has been generalised to suggest that all of his actions were unfounded (his disputes with the met re: racial discrimination). I am in no way defending the fella, but to assume that everything he ever did was therefore unfounded is not supportable. His conviction will therefore play into the hands of those it suits to deny the issue of institutional racism - it is happening on here, now.0
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alfablue wrote:well I think Teagars statement has legs; the fact that comments on this thread to the effect that "they always play the race card" shows that Dizaei's clearly criminal behaviour has been generalised to suggest that all of his actions were unfounded (his disputes with the met re: racial discrimination). I am in no way defending the fella, but to assume that everything he ever did was therefore unfounded is not supportable. His conviction will therefore play into the hands of those it suits to deny the issue of institutional racism - it is happening on here, now.
I'm not denying institutional racism exists, but in this instance quoting it is distinctly off the mark. Like I said, Ali Dizaei is guilty, was deceitful and dodged and deflected the real issue of his guilt by putting the investigation on a race footing.He has abused and dis-abased a lot of hard work by organisations and individuals to eradicate institutional racism and if I was in the Met I would be cursing him big-time.0 -
Oh, I am in agreement with your last comment, just he has been involved with race discrimination issues in the met since 1999, he will have damaged the cause, undoubtedly, but that will be worse because it plays into the hands of those who wish to generalise from this incident to all issues or accusations of institutional racism in the met.dmclite wrote:alfablue wrote:well I think Teagars statement has legs; the fact that comments on this thread to the effect that "they always play the race card" shows that Dizaei's clearly criminal behaviour has been generalised to suggest that all of his actions were unfounded (his disputes with the met re: racial discrimination). I am in no way defending the fella, but to assume that everything he ever did was therefore unfounded is not supportable. His conviction will therefore play into the hands of those it suits to deny the issue of institutional racism - it is happening on here, now.
I'm not denying institutional racism exists, but in this instance quoting it is distinctly off the mark. Like I said, Ali Dizaei is guilty, was deceitful and dodged and deflected the real issue of his guilt by putting the investigation on a race footing.He has abused and dis-abased a lot of hard work by organisations and individuals to eradicate institutional racism and if I was in the Met I would be cursing him big-time.0 -
o think theres more liberal handwringing and bile spouted here by the self styled rights warriors than the people they claim are racist. look at wahts actually written.
its typical ofPC britain that accusations of racism are flung around at those with different perspectives.
Let me ask this question and try and answer it honestly. if you ever had children would you want them to grow up with every advantage they could get? or would you rather undermine their ability to be succesful. BTW success can only be measured by differences either in financial social or happiness or some other similarr metric. its not a success for everyone to be the same.0 -
he's just a rascal, a bizzie rascal
is this the Daily Heil board?
*logs off*'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
I think we're done here.0
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There is nothing wrong with achievement and bettering your situation IF it is based on decency and legality. Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. What is wrong is to try and stack the odds in your favour by discriminating against other people by virtue of their race/gender/physical ability/sexual orientation/age etc.markwalker wrote:Let me ask this question and try and answer it honestly. if you ever had children would you want them to grow up with every advantage they could get? or would you rather undermine their ability to be succesful. BTW success can only be measured by differences either in financial social or happiness or some other similarr metric. its not a success for everyone to be the same.
I have had two sons, my ambitions for them were to do as well as they are able in what I hoped would be a fair and meritocratic society where ability and effort were rewarded rather than inherited factors (race, wealth). To this end (amongst other things) I educated them in the state system even though a private education was readily available. I also taught them values that are completely at odds with yours, and as a result I have two sons that are very fine young men of whom I am immensely proud, and who are part of a hopefully better society than the one you wish to create. They are part of the solution, not the problem . . .0 -
alfablue wrote:There is nothing wrong with achievement and bettering your situation IF it is based on decency and legality. Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. What is wrong is to try and stack the odds in your favour by discriminating against other people by virtue of their race/gender/physical ability/sexual orientation/age etc.
I have had two sons, my ambitions for them were to do as well as they are able in what I hoped would be a fair and meritocratic society where ability and effort were rewarded rather than inherited factors (race, wealth). To this end (amongst other things) I educated them in the state system even though a private education was readily available. I also taught them values that are completely at odds with yours, and as a result I have two sons that are very fine young men of whom I am immensely proud, and who are part of a hopefully better society than the one you wish to create. They are part of the solution, not the problem . . .
Who is this for mate ?0 -
Sorry - response to MW's question - I've put a quote in now.0
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You can bet he ain't the only bent copper, lets hope they catch more. Surely this bloke had some dodgy acquaintances in the force0
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alfablue wrote:
Oh, I am in agreement with your last comment, just he has been involved with race discrimination issues in the met since 1999, he will have damaged the cause, undoubtedly, but that will be worse because it plays into the hands of those who wish to generalise from this incident to all issues or accusations of institutional racism in the met.dmclite wrote:alfablue wrote:well I think Teagars statement has legs; the fact that comments on this thread to the effect that "they always play the race card" shows that Dizaei's clearly criminal behaviour has been generalised to suggest that all of his actions were unfounded (his disputes with the met re: racial discrimination). I am in no way defending the fella, but to assume that everything he ever did was therefore unfounded is not supportable. His conviction will therefore play into the hands of those it suits to deny the issue of institutional racism - it is happening on here, now.
I'm not denying institutional racism exists, but in this instance quoting it is distinctly off the mark. Like I said, Ali Dizaei is guilty, was deceitful and dodged and deflected the real issue of his guilt by putting the investigation on a race footing.He has abused and dis-abased a lot of hard work by organisations and individuals to eradicate institutional racism and if I was in the Met I would be cursing him big-time.
Reading the response again, you make a fair point.0 -
alfablue wrote:
There is nothing wrong with achievement and bettering your situation IF it is based on decency and legality. Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. What is wrong is to try and stack the odds in your favour by discriminating against other people by virtue of their race/gender/physical ability/sexual orientation/age etc.markwalker wrote:Let me ask this question and try and answer it honestly. if you ever had children would you want them to grow up with every advantage they could get? or would you rather undermine their ability to be succesful. BTW success can only be measured by differences either in financial social or happiness or some other similarr metric. its not a success for everyone to be the same.
I have had two sons, my ambitions for them were to do as well as they are able in what I hoped would be a fair and meritocratic society where ability and effort were rewarded rather than inherited factors (race, wealth). To this end (amongst other things) I educated them in the state system even though a private education was readily available. I also taught them values that are completely at odds with yours, and as a result I have two sons that are very fine young men of whom I am immensely proud, and who are part of a hopefully better society than the one you wish to create. They are part of the solution, not the problem . . .
Not everyone can be right.0 -
alfablue wrote:
There is nothing wrong with achievement and bettering your situation IF it is based on decency and legality. Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. What is wrong is to try and stack the odds in your favour by discriminating against other people by virtue of their race/gender/physical ability/sexual orientation/age etc.markwalker wrote:Let me ask this question and try and answer it honestly. if you ever had children would you want them to grow up with every advantage they could get? or would you rather undermine their ability to be succesful. BTW success can only be measured by differences either in financial social or happiness or some other similarr metric. its not a success for everyone to be the same.
I have had two sons, my ambitions for them were to do as well as they are able in what I hoped would be a fair and meritocratic society where ability and effort were rewarded rather than inherited factors (race, wealth). To this end (amongst other things) I educated them in the state system even though a private education was readily available. I also taught them values that are completely at odds with yours, and as a result I have two sons that are very fine young men of whom I am immensely proud, and who are part of a hopefully better society than the one you wish to create. They are part of the solution, not the problem . . .
Not everyone can be right.0 -
I know, and you aren't.markwalker wrote:alfablue wrote:
There is nothing wrong with achievement and bettering your situation IF it is based on decency and legality. Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. What is wrong is to try and stack the odds in your favour by discriminating against other people by virtue of their race/gender/physical ability/sexual orientation/age etc.markwalker wrote:Let me ask this question and try and answer it honestly. if you ever had children would you want them to grow up with every advantage they could get? or would you rather undermine their ability to be succesful. BTW success can only be measured by differences either in financial social or happiness or some other similarr metric. its not a success for everyone to be the same.
I have had two sons, my ambitions for them were to do as well as they are able in what I hoped would be a fair and meritocratic society where ability and effort were rewarded rather than inherited factors (race, wealth). To this end (amongst other things) I educated them in the state system even though a private education was readily available. I also taught them values that are completely at odds with yours, and as a result I have two sons that are very fine young men of whom I am immensely proud, and who are part of a hopefully better society than the one you wish to create. They are part of the solution, not the problem . . .
Not everyone can be right.0 -
alfablue wrote:
I know, and you aren't.markwalker wrote:alfablue wrote:
There is nothing wrong with achievement and bettering your situation IF it is based on decency and legality. Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. What is wrong is to try and stack the odds in your favour by discriminating against other people by virtue of their race/gender/physical ability/sexual orientation/age etc.markwalker wrote:Let me ask this question and try and answer it honestly. if you ever had children would you want them to grow up with every advantage they could get? or would you rather undermine their ability to be succesful. BTW success can only be measured by differences either in financial social or happiness or some other similarr metric. its not a success for everyone to be the same.
I have had two sons, my ambitions for them were to do as well as they are able in what I hoped would be a fair and meritocratic society where ability and effort were rewarded rather than inherited factors (race, wealth). To this end (amongst other things) I educated them in the state system even though a private education was readily available. I also taught them values that are completely at odds with yours, and as a result I have two sons that are very fine young men of whom I am immensely proud, and who are part of a hopefully better society than the one you wish to create. They are part of the solution, not the problem . . .
Not everyone can be right.
no of course not zzzzzzzz0 -
Maybe MW is right?
Extremely right?
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So I answered your question honestly, I presume it wasn't the desired answer, because you ignored it - are you shocked or disbelieving that I don't want to steamroller other people to achieve in life, or is there something else?0
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alfablue wrote:I think I met him here
Oh now im a far right violent extremest as well am i? god i get around a bit, tell me what was i thinking earlier i cant remember.
You guys really get all indignant when the truth is out there and you dont like it. the truth is i tried to head you name callers off at the pass on page 1
the truth is i did think that bent copper looked dodgy
I did read your reply well done with your kids I would hope my children have balanced views but achieve more than yours. Even at the expense of yours but that doesnt make me a NF thug or Racist or any of the other anti social tags that you and teapot have so generously bestowed upon me.
I used to like racing against people like you because i knew when things got tough theyd whine and give up0
