The Deniers...and your vote?

dennisn

markwalker wrote:

dennisn wrote:

C'mon BB. What you need is to get a good old deluxe pizza in you. I'll come over with some friends, maybe Lance, Levi, and George, we'll suck down 3 or 4 6 packs of brews, get half drunk, go out and get a few lap dances at the local gentlemen's club, and maybe even get laid. A typical American night out. We do it all the time. We're professionals at it. We'll wake up in the morning feeling like sh*t but, hey, we had a great time. Then you'll see that we're not so bad. I'll even buy the first lap dance.

sounds good to me

not the gaaay bits obviously

"gaaay bits" :? :? :? ?????

dennisn

BikingBernie wrote:

dennisn wrote:

C'mon BB. What you need is to get a good old deluxe pizza in you. I'll come over with some friends, maybe Lance, Levi, and George, we'll suck down 3 or 4 6 packs of brews, get half drunk, go out and get a few lap dances at the local gentlemen's club, and maybe even get laid. A typical American night out. We do it all the time. We're professionals at it. We'll wake up in the morning feeling like sh*t but, hey, we had a great time. Then you'll see that we're not so bad. I'll even buy the first lap dance.

It's perhaps no wonder that the USA has spawned so many radical feminists, given the attitudes of many US males towards women. And what's with the US obsession with pornography, much of which seems to feature fantasies of abuse and domination? Perhaps it's all a reflection of the wider American macho fantasy of domination and power, as exemplified by the likes of 'Rambo', 'Arnie' and so on.

Wow, we really are the "evil empire". Thanks for setting me straight. Now I've got to get a bunch MORE illegal firearms for my collection. To keep up appearances, you know. And smack my wife around more.

BikingBernie

dennisn wrote:

Wow, we really are the "evil empire". Thanks for setting me straight. Now I've got to get a bunch MORE illegal firearms for my collection. To keep up appearances, you know. And smack my wife around more.

I wonder, is your wife OK about you going out to get drunk and visit lapdancing clubs?

As to US domination, I had thought that achieving 'Full spectum dominance' was a declared US policy?

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289

BikingBernie

iainf72 wrote:

Do you think if the tests had been performed in Lausanne, the same little anomalies wouldn't have been latched onto and brought up? It's called a defence, not some kind of holy war against "the french"

Going back a little. Do you think that if the positives had come from a Swiss lab and related to a Swiss race, there would have been people going all over the place claiming Landis was the victim of an 'Anti-American' conspiracy on the part of the Swiss?

dennisn

BikingBernie wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Wow, we really are the "evil empire". Thanks for setting me straight. Now I've got to get a bunch MORE illegal firearms for my collection. To keep up appearances, you know. And smack my wife around more.

I wonder, is your wife OK about you going out to get drunk and visit lapdancing clubs?

As to US domination, I had thought that achieving 'Full spectum dominance' was a declared US policy?

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289

The wife encourages the lap dance clubs. Keeps me out of the house and I'm not smacking her around as much. 'cept when I come home drunk and horny.

"Full spectrum dominance"??? I like it. Gonna see if I can get my fair share of some of that.

Lighten up just a bit Bernie and I'll do the same.

BikingBernie

iainf72 wrote:

I've spent time in both the US and France. Found many charming French and Americans in my time too.

So, are you saying that by criticising American foreign policy I am denying the possibility that 'charming' Americans exist? Or perhaps you are saying as you have met some charming Americans, criticism of US foreign policy or 'national characteristics' are unfounded?

RichN95.

BikingBernie wrote:

[It is no coincidence that..... the more egalitarian countries like Denmark and Holland that are the most cycling-orientated.

Does egalitarian mean 'flat and quite small'?

markwalker

RichN95 wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

[It is no coincidence that..... the more egalitarian countries like Denmark and Holland that are the most cycling-orientated.

Does egalitarian mean 'flat and quite small'?

No i think its a reference to the lack of drinking / lap dance clubs which mean you might as well ride your bike.

blazing_saddles

How did I miss such a lovely thread?
I thought the "Totally Subjective" thread was just like this, but it turns out to be about gruesome looking bikes.

Floyd is an innocent victim of the dastardly French again.
More believable if he'd gone with the 'alien abduction' gambit.
Poor old Gibo gets lumped with a bunch of convicts, for eating sweets.
Piti and Berto are clean, cos Frenchie has a huge man crush for them!

Just the thing for a cold winter's day.

dennisn

Blazing Saddles wrote:

How did I miss such a lovely thread?
I thought the "Totally Subjective" thread was just like this, but it turns out to be about gruesome looking bikes.

Floyd is an innocent victim of the dastardly French again.
More believable if he'd gone with the 'alien abduction' gambit.
Poor old Gibo gets lumped with a bunch of convicts, for eating sweets.
Piti and Berto are clean, cos Frenchie has a huge man crush for them!

Just the thing for a cold winter's day.

Welcome aboard.
Alien abduction huh???? Hey, it could happen.

rockmount

I saw the title [Deniers] and thought.......

DaveyL

Blazing Saddles wrote:

How did I miss such a lovely thread?
I thought the "Totally Subjective" thread was just like this, but it turns out to be about gruesome looking bikes.

Floyd is an innocent victim of the dastardly French again.
More believable if he'd gone with the 'alien abduction' gambit.
Poor old Gibo gets lumped with a bunch of convicts, for eating sweets.
Piti and Berto are clean, cos Frenchie has a huge man crush for them!

Just the thing for a cold winter's day.

And for, in Gibo's case, having the hormone levels of a small child...

Good call on the man-crush though. What's Spanish for "bro-mance" ?

moray_gub

BikingBernie wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

I should also point out that there is nothing wrong per se with being right wing. It's not a by-word for evil you know. I would count myself as a right wing libertarian, I don't think i'm an evil wrong doer.

Well, as a self-confessed right-winger, you would say that, wouldn't you?

To some extent it's all a question of how far you are prepared to, in the words of Primo Levi, 'extend the logic' * of your beliefs. For example, those on the right often make a fetish of 'work', but extend the logic to its 'natural' conclusion and you end up with places with iron signs above the gate reading 'Arbeit macht frei'...

Radical leftists would have us believe that they stand for democracy, progress, human rights and social justice often you end up with this

moray_gub

andyp wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

So over 12 million people in Texas have a negative attitude to the French..............yea right. Meanwhile back in France it was revealed 42,567,321 people have a negative attitude towards the English...............

Made even more funnier by how seriously BB took your jibe.

Yea but he has a point i know those rogues on the Black Isle they are a right bunch of scoundrels stealing apples flinging snowballs and the like...........as for the Hotelier in Sunart maybe if he served a decent pint he wouldnt have to shut up shop bloody English think they can come up here and serve shit pints and get away with it

blazing_saddles

DaveyL wrote:

And for, in Gibo's case, having the hormone levels of a small child...
Good call on the man-crush though. What's Spanish for "bro-mance" ?

I'm sorry, but I believe his Zoncolan clean pea was a mistake.
He was riding for Saunier Duval, at the time and everybody knows their pea
is never washed properly. :P

Hope that isn't too man crushy.

Seriously, I wonder what happened there?
We heard about it. Di Luca got the third degree, but the others just seemed to get given a walk and it all went quiet.

BikingBernie

Moray Gub wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

I should also point out that there is nothing wrong per se with being right wing. It's not a by-word for evil you know. I would count myself as a right wing libertarian, I don't think i'm an evil wrong doer.

Well, as a self-confessed right-winger, you would say that, wouldn't you?

To some extent it's all a question of how far you are prepared to, in the words of Primo Levi, 'extend the logic' * of your beliefs. For example, those on the right often make a fetish of 'work', but extend the logic to its 'natural' conclusion and you end up with places with iron signs above the gate reading 'Arbeit macht frei'...

Radical leftists would have us believe that they stand for democracy, progress, human rights and social justice often you end up with this

As I said, balance is what is needed. Unfortunately the inherent 'authoritarianism' found in human beings cannot be erased by the influence of well-meaning political ideology. Just look at Christianity for another example. Ultimately, it's not the 'ideology' that is at fault, it's human nature. Also, as soon as you have any form of hierarchical power structure, it is inevitably the authoritarians who rise into positions of power, not the true egalitarians.

Also, as Chomsky has pointed out, even though the right try to claim that the sort of 'bloodbaths' you link to somehow show 'leftist' ideology to be intrinsically flawed, a similar case could be levied against capitalism. In fact the number of people who have died in 'bloodbaths' arising from the defence of the capitalist system over the last couple of hundred years out-number those who have died in the name of other ideologies by several orders of magnitude...

iainf72

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Seriously, I wonder what happened there?
We heard about it. Di Luca got the third degree, but the others just seemed to get given a walk and it all went quiet.

[Puts on serious hat]

The Killer was not done for having child like urine. Having very low levels of hormones could be explained by the extreme effort. Di Luca was retested in the evening and found to have "normal" levels which are indicative of a transfusion. That's why CONI went after him.

I don't know if the others were also tested in the evening though.

[Takes off serious hat, puts on rasta beenie and makes sure string is not to tight around the dog lest someone accuses me of being right wing]

dennisn

BikingBernie wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

I should also point out that there is nothing wrong per se with being right wing. It's not a by-word for evil you know. I would count myself as a right wing libertarian, I don't think i'm an evil wrong doer.

Well, as a self-confessed right-winger, you would say that, wouldn't you?

To some extent it's all a question of how far you are prepared to, in the words of Primo Levi, 'extend the logic' * of your beliefs. For example, those on the right often make a fetish of 'work', but extend the logic to its 'natural' conclusion and you end up with places with iron signs above the gate reading 'Arbeit macht frei'...

Radical leftists would have us believe that they stand for democracy, progress, human rights and social justice often you end up with this

As I said, balance is what is needed. Unfortunately the inherent authoritarianism found in human beings cannot be erased by the influence of well-meaning political ideology. Just look at Christianity for another example. Ultimately, it's not the 'ideology' that is at fault, it's human nature.

As Chomsky has pointed out, even though the right try to claim that the sort of 'bloodbaths' you link to somehow show 'leftist' ideology to be intrinsically flawed, a similar case could be levied against capitalism. In fact the number of people who have died in 'bloodbaths' arising from the defence of the capitalist system over the last couple of hundred years out number those who have died in the name of other ideologies by several orders of magnitude...

I would be willing to bet that the number of people killed in the name of religion far outnumbers all other ideologies and if not in the "name of" then religion will be found as the root cause(which is basically the same thing).