Richmond Park 3-lap Challenge 2010

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  • Petromyzon
    Petromyzon Posts: 221
    Cunning! 1100W is stunning- I don't think I've ever hit that. Your normalised power numbers are starting to make sense. I think I'm pretty slow twitchy- I'm barely even strong enough to tie my shoelaces.
  • voxegam
    voxegam Posts: 244
    What average speed do you have to set to get the magic 50??
    Trek Madone 6.5 Pro
    Planet-X (now winter-bike)
  • Petromyzon
    Petromyzon Posts: 221
    edited June 2010
    From my data you would need ~24.3 mph James, but I haven't checked my wheel circumference lately so that might not be very accurate.
  • flix23
    flix23 Posts: 72
    Name.......................Dir...........Wht........Time.........Mnth....Club...............TOR*
    eyepea0...................Anti........80kg......48:28....Jun........LD.......1st cat
    nigelstephens..........Anti.........71kg......48:36........May.....Finchley RT....2nd Cat
    Andy Betts...............Anti........74kg..........48:41.....June......Sigma.....Elite
    TarmacExpert (TT)....Anti.........72kg......49:20.......May......KW.......AP 277W NP 293W
    theHAIRYleggedONE..Anti.......74kg......49:29.......May.....TeamFeat.Trigeek TT AvHR150
    benjacobs.................Anti.........68kg......50:03.......May......LD.......2nd cat
    JibberJim................. Anti........75kg......50.05........Jun........KW....Cat 3 few points..AP 328W NP 354W
    Petromyzon.............Anti........75kg........50.39.......June........LD.......AP 331W NP 340W
    TarmacExpert (road).Anti.........71kg......51:00......Apr.......KW.......AP 278W NP 288W
    KingstonWheeler.....Anti.........67kg......51.36........Apr.......PEV Geneve...cyclotourist
    Damien Breen..........Anti.......60ishkg....51.57.......Apr........KW......2nd cat
    mathammond............Anti.........80kg......52:28.......Apr......N/A.........Leisure
    Felgen......................Anti.........91kg.......52.37.......Apr.........KW..........2nd cat *ahem*
    tomb8555.................Anti.........84kg......53:05........Jun.......TCC......Nearly 2nd Cat..
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......53:10........May........KW......Commuter/Sportive
    Toks.........................Anti.........71kg.....54:12.......June........ACC....Average 3rd Cat
    CJCP........................Anti.........78kg......54:34........May........KW.......Commuter/Sportive
    seabadger.................Anti.........82kg......54:35........May........n/a........fitness/MTB
    Red GT......................Anti.........75kg......54:37.........May........n/a.......sportive
    mark_d................. ..Anti........61kg......54:38...........Mar........LD.......AP 269W NP 276W
    ives............................Anti........82kg.....54.40..........May........n/a.......commuter
    jamesjarvis................Anti........63kg.......54:40........Apr.....................
    Zav........................Anti........85(ish).... 54:40.......June........LD.......commute
    Raynaw...................Anti........88kg......54:52........Apr........TCC.....Cat 3....AP 343W
    Rich158....................Anti.........68kg......55:02......June.........Lp..........Poor Cat 4
    J4zzDogg.................Anti.......80kg........55:18......June.......LD.....Commuter/Sportive
    amnezia............Anti..........72kg.........55:22........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/Sportive
    bigdave1963.............Anti........87kg......55:30........May.......KW........Sportive
    SPEEDOboy77..........Anti.........75kg.....55:32.......Apr.........KW.....Cat 3 No Power
    Rushie.....................Anti........76kg......55:40.........Apr.......TCC.......Sportive/Cat4
    RedGreenBaron.......Anti.........71kg......55:40........May.......LD........Sportive
    Bush75...................Anti........78kg......55:58.........Apr.......LRC.......Sportive/Cat4
    Abdoujaparov.......Anti.......76kg......56:38........Jun........LD...........Fitness/sportive
    Marko1982...............Anti.......81kg........56:44........Apr........NA.......Triathlete
    Rookie.....................Anti........100kg.......56:47........Apr........NA........Sportive
    Flix23.......................Anti.........70kg.......56:49.......May.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive mroli.......................Anti.........68kg........57:07.......Apr.....N/A..........Sportive/Fitness
    thebongolian.......Anti......c.80kg.....57:28..........June......N/a........Sportive/Cat4
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......57:33........Jan........KW......Commuter/Sportive (SS 48x16)
    maryka.................Anit..........53.5kg....57:49.........May.......KW......cat 2w 234W NP 216W AP
    London-red...............Anti.........80kg......57:55........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/fitness
    Arpy.....................Anti..........101kg....58:03.......June.........N/A.........Fitness
    Grrram....................Anti.........84.2kg......58:10........Apr.......none........Fitness/Sportive
    J09.........................Anti...........60kg.......58:16.......June.......N/A........MTB/Sportives
    Davo4......................Anti.........94kg......58:18........Apr........N/A......1st year tri
    stevie becks........Anti..........76kg.......58:30.......Apr.......Sky.......Sportive
    Lana......................Anti..........63kg......58:36........Jun.......N/A.........Commuter/Sportive
    Westwimash............Anti........80kg......58:38.........May.......N/A.........Fitness
    Cumulonimbus.........Anti.........85kg.......58:38.......May....................Fitness
    Schobiedoo...........Anti........91kg......58:45.........May..................Sportive
    Big Red.....................Anti........95kg......58:48.........Apr.......N/A.......Fitness/Sportive
    POD..................Anti.......86kg....59:15..............Apr......N/A.......Sportive (and the odd race)
    The Emu...........Anti.......80Kg....59:18..............May........KW......... Old Hack
    King Donut.......Anti..........90kg.......59:37.......May.........N/A........Commuter/fitness
    Al B..................Anti..........70kg.......59:37.......June........BSkyB....Sportive
    johnny2legs........Anti.......87kg........60.02.......June...N/A...Sportive
    RHE......................Anti...........91kg........60:20........Apr......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    statts...................Anti.............75kg......60.30.......May.........N/A....Fitness / Sportive
    Il Principe..............Anti.......75kg....60:40..............Mar.......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    Greasygrinder..........Anti......75kg.......60:53.........Apr........KW.......AP 259
    Rostropovich............Anti......74kg.......60:53.........May.......N/A........Fitness/Sportive
    greeny12..............Anti........87kg......60.57........Mar..........N/A.......Fitness/sportive
    TheStone.................Anti.........91kg......62:24........Jun.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    TimMarshall............Anti.........102kg.......62:29..........June.....NA.......Fitness
    marcusjb...................anti......61Kg........62:55.........May.......N/A........Leisure
    CXXC......................Anti..........80kg.......63:06.......Apr.......N/A......Commuter/Sportive
    caw35slr.................Anti
    97kg.......63:09.......May..... KW........Fitness/Sportive
    Global Nomad.........Anti..........75kg.......63:10.......May.......N/A......Commuter/Fitness
    Coopster the 1st....Anti........86kg......63:34......Jun........n/a..........Commuter/Sportive
    Expatbore...............Anti...........83kg......63:57.......Jun........KW.........Commuter/sportive
    toontra.......................Anti.........75kg......64:57.........Mar......N/A........Audax
    pangolin....................Anti.........89kg......65:00.........Apr......N/A.......Fitness/Commuter
    Guinea.....................Anti........89kg......65.11........Mar........none.........Fun
    Hungryjim................Anti........75kg......65:21.........Jun.......n/a......Fitness
    Citizen Smith..........Anti.........95kg......65.26.........May.....SCR.....Fitness/Commuter/Hybrid
    LFCQuin...................Anti.........82kg......66:00........Jan.......MW........Cat 3/Core
    biondino..................Anti.........80kg........66.15.......Feb.......n/a..........commuter
    Dan_JR..................Anti.........80kg........66.31.......Apr.......n/a..........Fitness/Commuter
    Ketsbaia................Clock.........76kg.......67.28........Mar.......n/a.....Fitness/sportive
    BCSS.....................Anti..........75kg......68.24........Jan......NA...........Will I ever be fast?
    KingstonGraham.....Anti.........74kg......68:39........Jan.......NA........Triathlete
    Il Principe..............Anti.......dunno....68:57......Feb......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    G-Wiz..............Anti.......100kg....69:05......Apr......NA.......Fitness/Sportive
    jrduquemin...........Clock......79kg......69:07........Jan.......None.......Fitness/Sportive
    jag--.........................Anti.........78kg......69.09.......April........Sky...........Sportive newbie
    Furrag....................anti.........68kg.........69:34......June.....KW..........Fitness/Fun
    MattM78..................Anti........89kg.......73.24.........Feb....SWRC....Commuter/sportive/tri
    NWLondoner...........Clock......61kg......77.56........Jan........??.........Fitness/Training

    Another 20 seconds off my PB last night, so some slight progress.

    I do feel like I'm plateauing a bit at the moment so I'm curious to know what difference poeple think the bike can make? I'm riding an average £1k Bianchi, suspect it weighs around 21lbs. I now pretty much couldn't weigh any less without losing muscle (I'm 11stone for 6ft), so would a bike 4 or 5lbs lighter, let alone a TT bike make an appreciable difference?
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Petromyzon wrote:
    From my data I have ~24.3 mph James, but I haven't checked my wheel circumference lately so that might not be very accurate.

    Pretty sure mine was 20mph... and I'll be changing the wheel circumference if it wasn't :)
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • maryka
    maryka Posts: 748
    flix23 wrote:
    I do feel like I'm plateauing a bit at the moment so I'm curious to know what difference poeple think the bike can make? I'm riding an average £1k Bianchi, suspect it weighs around 21lbs. I now pretty much couldn't weigh any less without losing muscle (I'm 11stone for 6ft), so would a bike 4 or 5lbs lighter, let alone a TT bike make an appreciable difference?
    Narrower and/or lower will help a bit. Do you have any spacers you can take out from under the stem? (note, do these ~1cm at a time or the change may be too drastic and give you problems -- take the time to get used to the new position if you start going lower). Narrower/different bars might also help if you want a more aggressive position. And being in the drops more if you aren't already.

    Apart from getting a TT bike, that's about all you can do. 4-5lbs lighter is quite a bit lighter for a bike and gonna be very expensive! Might be better spent on aero wheels and better tires if you are going that route anyway.

    Or just train more and get stronger!
    http://www.twitter.com/smaryka
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    flix23 wrote:
    I do feel like I'm plateauing a bit at the moment so I'm curious to know what difference poeple think the bike can make? I'm riding an average £1k Bianchi, suspect it weighs around 21lbs. I now pretty much couldn't weigh any less without losing muscle (I'm 11stone for 6ft), so would a bike 4 or 5lbs lighter, let alone a TT bike make an appreciable difference?

    Position will make quite a difference, I get a minute out of my R3 set up to race, and my RS set up for long rides in the hills. Look at TarmacExpert's times for the difference between TT and road - and remember his TT time was not on a great day compared to his road time.

    The bike itself won't make a lot of difference though, things like flapping clothing etc. will make more, you're riding fast, aerodynamics will make a lot more difference. Tyres and Tubes will again make a difference. But don't worry too much about it, you're really racing yourself - the conditions vary a lot between other people, so comparing your own times on the same bike etc. will be what really matters!
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • Petromyzon
    Petromyzon Posts: 221
    Jim- I make it 20.2 miles for three laps- is that about right?

    Flix- how long have you been training for? What kind of sessions/intensity do you do? Lighter and more aero bike will help but you can usually figure about £1/gram to take weight off (bit cheaper at first then drastically more expensive as you get lower and lower) and quite a bit of wedge for a set of Heds or Zipps....

    Good advice on clothes, tires and position. If it helps my bike cost about the same as yours 5+yrs ago- it's quite big and heavy esp. with Powertap. At the start of last year's thread I don't think I could break the hour- the change has been riding a bit more and a lot harder.
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Petromyzon wrote:
    Jim- I make it 20.2 miles for three laps- is that about right?

    Sounds about right, but I'm sure I don't ever break the speed limit, so I don't know how I get round in 50minutes....
    Petromyzon wrote:
    Good advice on clothes, tires and position. If it helps my bike cost about the same as yours 5+yrs ago- it's quite big and heavy esp. with Powertap. At the start of last year's thread I don't think I could break the hour- the change has been riding a bit more and a lot harder.

    It was less than 2 years ago that I did my first ever sub 20minute 1 lap.
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • maryka
    maryka Posts: 748
    jibberjim wrote:
    It was less than 2 years ago that I did my first ever sub 20minute 1 lap.
    Funny, that. Last night I was remarking how in August of 2008 I used to drop him easily up the drag past Pembroke Lodge and now he's turning 50-min 3LCs. The student has become the teacher now! :(:lol:
    http://www.twitter.com/smaryka
  • flix23
    flix23 Posts: 72
    Thanks for all the response - it was more of an academic/hypothetical question, motivated by not much more than curiosity (and a hint of jealousy of all the faster times and the nice bikes I see around RP :wink: ) I certainly don't have the funds available to obtain a 16lb bike!

    I don't do much formal high-intensity training, (in fact the RP challenge pretty much is my training of this type) just regular commuting, Surrey hills riding and some sportives.

    I currently ride 4 or 5 times a week, with something like one 2 hour hilly ride with hard efforts up the hills, one RP session, a couple of reasonably strenous commutes (about 40 mins each leg), and a longer weekend ride, quite often a sportive. Overall goal is a silver-standard time in the Etape...

    Compared to last year my overall fitness is a huge amount higher. I've turned in fairly respectable times on events like the Etape du Dales and the Dragon ride, I'm certainly a lot faster up Box Hill, but my RP times have only shown fairly marginal improvement.

    Difference I suppose to last year is that I could go again this evening and turn out a similar time whereas last year I'd be wiped out for a couple of days by a sub-1 hour effort.
  • Petromyzon
    Petromyzon Posts: 221
    Cool, I'm far from a training guru but regular 3-lappers should see you improve. I quite like 1 hour at 90% of threshold- doesn't destroy the legs but good training stimulus I think. I reckon that if you've improved *a lot* from last year then you can expect that you aren't really plateaued out in the long term:) Prob just a combination of factors that have led you to do consecutive similar times.
  • Toks
    Toks Posts: 1,143
    eyepea0 wrote:
    Little surprised to knock few seconds off, as quite windy (although right direction) and raced previous evening. Did not feel like going particularly quickly but opening lap of 15:55 including some traffic delays (including catching police car by pembroke lodge) meant had to go for it. Second lap 16:20 (inc dead stop at kingston rbt) and then clear run 16:13.
    Damn another awesome ride, well done mate. 16mins for a lap would be dream land for me :wink: . I think you posted your training schedule once and I don't think you average more than 10 hours per week. Is that still the case?


    Jibberjim wrote:
    ...I'm beginning to get a little embarrassed at what I can in these forum challenges, and the results I get in actual races!
    You're just teasing us aren't you? Maybe that beautiful solo win will come on that return trip to Wales :wink:
  • hungryjim
    hungryjim Posts: 8
    30 seconds faster - not trying to go too fast on the first lap seems to help!

    Name.......................Dir...........Wht........Time.........Mnth....Club...............TOR*
    eyepea0...................Anti........80kg......48:28....Jun........LD.......1st cat
    nigelstephens..........Anti.........71kg......48:36........May.....Finchley RT....2nd Cat
    Andy Betts...............Anti........74kg..........48:41.....June......Sigma.....Elite
    TarmacExpert (TT)....Anti.........72kg......49:20.......May......KW.......AP 277W NP 293W
    theHAIRYleggedONE..Anti.......74kg......49:29.......May.....TeamFeat.Trigeek TT AvHR150
    benjacobs.................Anti.........68kg......50:03.......May......LD.......2nd cat
    JibberJim................. Anti........75kg......50.05........Jun........KW....Cat 3 few points..AP 328W NP 354W
    Petromyzon.............Anti........75kg........50.39.......June........LD.......AP 331W NP 340W
    TarmacExpert (road).Anti.........71kg......51:00......Apr.......KW.......AP 278W NP 288W
    KingstonWheeler.....Anti.........67kg......51.36........Apr.......PEV Geneve...cyclotourist
    Damien Breen..........Anti.......60ishkg....51.57.......Apr........KW......2nd cat
    mathammond............Anti.........80kg......52:28.......Apr......N/A.........Leisure
    Felgen......................Anti.........91kg.......52.37.......Apr.........KW..........2nd cat *ahem*
    tomb8555.................Anti.........84kg......53:05........Jun.......TCC......Nearly 2nd Cat..
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......53:10........May........KW......Commuter/Sportive
    Toks.........................Anti.........71kg.....54:12.......June........ACC....Average 3rd Cat
    CJCP........................Anti.........78kg......54:34........May........KW.......Commuter/Sportive
    seabadger.................Anti.........82kg......54:35........May........n/a........fitness/MTB
    Red GT......................Anti.........75kg......54:37.........May........n/a.......sportive
    mark_d................. ..Anti........61kg......54:38...........Mar........LD.......AP 269W NP 276W
    ives............................Anti........82kg.....54.40..........May........n/a.......commuter
    jamesjarvis................Anti........63kg.......54:40........Apr.....................
    Zav........................Anti........85(ish).... 54:40.......June........LD.......commute
    Raynaw...................Anti........88kg......54:52........Apr........TCC.....Cat 3....AP 343W
    Rich158....................Anti.........68kg......55:02......June.........Lp..........Poor Cat 4
    J4zzDogg.................Anti.......80kg........55:18......June.......LD.....Commuter/Sportive
    amnezia............Anti..........72kg.........55:22........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/Sportive
    bigdave1963.............Anti........87kg......55:30........May.......KW........Sportive
    SPEEDOboy77..........Anti.........75kg.....55:32.......Apr.........KW.....Cat 3 No Power
    Rushie.....................Anti........76kg......55:40.........Apr.......TCC.......Sportive/Cat4
    RedGreenBaron.......Anti.........71kg......55:40........May.......LD........Sportive
    Bush75...................Anti........78kg......55:58.........Apr.......LRC.......Sportive/Cat4
    Abdoujaparov.......Anti.......76kg......56:38........Jun........LD...........Fitness/sportive
    Marko1982...............Anti.......81kg........56:44........Apr........NA.......Triathlete
    Rookie.....................Anti........100kg.......56:47........Apr........NA........Sportive
    Flix23.......................Anti.........70kg.......56:49.......May.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    mroli.......................Anti.........68kg........57:07.......Apr.....N/A..........Sportive/Fitness
    thebongolian.......Anti......c.80kg.....57:28..........June......N/a........Sportive/Cat4
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......57:33........Jan........KW......Commuter/Sportive (SS 48x16)
    maryka.................Anit..........53.5kg....57:49.........May.......KW......cat 2w 234W NP 216W AP
    London-red...............Anti.........80kg......57:55........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/fitness
    Arpy.....................Anti..........101kg....58:03.......June.........N/A.........Fitness
    Grrram....................Anti.........84.2kg......58:10........Apr.......none........Fitness/Sportive
    J09.........................Anti...........60kg.......58:16.......June.......N/A........MTB/Sportives
    Davo4......................Anti.........94kg......58:18........Apr........N/A......1st year tri
    stevie becks........Anti..........76kg.......58:30.......Apr.......Sky.......Sportive
    Lana......................Anti..........63kg......58:36........Jun.......N/A.........Commuter/Sportive
    Westwimash............Anti........80kg......58:38.........May.......N/A.........Fitness
    Cumulonimbus.........Anti.........85kg.......58:38.......May....................Fitness
    Schobiedoo...........Anti........91kg......58:45.........May..................Sportive
    Big Red.....................Anti........95kg......58:48.........Apr.......N/A.......Fitness/Sportive
    POD..................Anti.......86kg....59:15..............Apr......N/A.......Sportive (and the odd race)
    The Emu...........Anti.......80Kg....59:18..............May........KW......... Old Hack
    King Donut.......Anti..........90kg.......59:37.......May.........N/A........Commuter/fitness
    Al B..................Anti..........70kg.......59:37.......June........BSkyB....Sportive
    johnny2legs........Anti.......87kg........60.02.......June...N/A...Sportive
    RHE......................Anti...........91kg........60:20........Apr......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    statts...................Anti.............75kg......60.30.......May.........N/A....Fitness / Sportive
    Il Principe..............Anti.......75kg....60:40..............Mar.......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    Greasygrinder..........Anti......75kg.......60:53.........Apr........KW.......AP 259
    Rostropovich............Anti......74kg.......60:53.........May.......N/A........Fitness/Sportive
    greeny12..............Anti........87kg......60.57........Mar..........N/A.......Fitness/sportive
    TheStone.................Anti.........91kg......62:24........Jun.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    TimMarshall............Anti.........102kg.......62:29..........June.....NA.......Fitness
    marcusjb...................anti......61Kg........62:55.........May.......N/A........Leisure
    CXXC......................Anti..........80kg.......63:06.......Apr.......N/A......Commuter/Sportive
    caw35slr.................Anti
    97kg.......63:09.......May..... KW........Fitness/Sportive
    Global Nomad.........Anti..........75kg.......63:10.......May.......N/A......Commuter/Fitness
    Coopster the 1st....Anti........86kg......63:34......Jun........n/a..........Commuter/Sportive
    Expatbore...............Anti...........83kg......63:57.......Jun........KW.........Commuter/sportive
    Hungryjim...............Anti.........75kg.......64:51.........Jun.......n/a.......Fitness
    toontra.......................Anti.........75kg......64:57.........Mar......N/A........Audax
    pangolin....................Anti.........89kg......65:00.........Apr......N/A.......Fitness/Commuter
    Guinea.....................Anti........89kg......65.11........Mar........none.........Fun
    Citizen Smith..........Anti.........95kg......65.26.........May.....SCR.....Fitness/Commuter/Hybrid
    LFCQuin...................Anti.........82kg......66:00........Jan.......MW........Cat 3/Core
    biondino..................Anti.........80kg........66.15.......Feb.......n/a..........commuter
    Dan_JR..................Anti.........80kg........66.31.......Apr.......n/a..........Fitness/Commuter
    Ketsbaia................Clock.........76kg.......67.28........Mar.......n/a.....Fitness/sportive
    BCSS.....................Anti..........75kg......68.24........Jan......NA...........Will I ever be fast?
    KingstonGraham.....Anti.........74kg......68:39........Jan.......NA........Triathlete
    Il Principe..............Anti.......dunno....68:57......Feb......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    G-Wiz..............Anti.......100kg....69:05......Apr......NA.......Fitness/Sportive
    jrduquemin...........Clock......79kg......69:07........Jan.......None.......Fitness/Sportive
    jag--.........................Anti.........78kg......69.09.......April........Sky...........Sportive newbie
    Furrag....................anti.........68kg.........69:34......June.....KW..........Fitness/Fun
    MattM78..................Anti........89kg.......73.24.........Feb....SWRC....Commuter/sportive/tri
    NWLondoner...........Clock......61kg......77.56........Jan........??.........Fitness/Training
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Sorry for being thick, but i do not know the park at all but I do fancy a crack at this, what is the exact route ? Tried to follow it on google maps, but like I said had a brain fade.
    Thanks in advance.
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    dmclite wrote:
    Sorry for being thick, but i do not know the park at all but I do fancy a crack at this, what is the exact route ? Tried to follow it on google maps, but like I said had a brain fade.
    Thanks in advance.

    Not sure how tough it could really be, there's only one road in the park, and you turn left (or right if you're doing it the unpopular way) at each roundabout.

    Here's 1 lap on bike route toaster.

    http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=141053
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    jibberjim wrote:
    dmclite wrote:
    Sorry for being thick, but i do not know the park at all but I do fancy a crack at this, what is the exact route ? Tried to follow it on google maps, but like I said had a brain fade.
    Thanks in advance.

    Not sure how tough it could really be, there's only one road in the park, and you turn left (or right if you're doing it the unpopular way) at each roundabout.

    Here's 1 lap on bike route toaster.

    http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=141053

    Thank you for that, I will have a go this weekend hopefully. :wink:
  • Schobiedoo
    Schobiedoo Posts: 121
    dmclite wrote:
    jibberjim wrote:

    Not sure how tough it could really be, there's only one road in the park, and you turn left (or right if you're doing it the unpopular way) at each roundabout.

    Here's 1 lap on bike route toaster.

    http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=141053

    Thank you for that, I will have a go this weekend hopefully. :wink:

    The pedant in me's coming out but It's not left (or right) at every roundabout - two of them you go straight across no matter which direction you're going. It's pretty obvious when you get there.
    Neil Pryde Bura SL
    Cannondale CAAD8
  • eyepea0
    eyepea0 Posts: 33
    Toks wrote:
    I think you posted your training schedule once and I don't think you average more than 10 hours per week. Is that still the case?

    No. Sometime 10 hours in a good week. Average more like 8 hours.
    Plenty enough for Nat B racing, Crystal Palace and RP3LCs.
  • tomb8555
    tomb8555 Posts: 229
    OMG the surface :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    tomb8555 wrote:
    OMG the surface :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

    And it looks like maybe I won't get a sub 50 this year :( I could barely ride it on the commute, too much dust thrown up, and a rough surface, with the odd deep pile of grit, I'd say it was unrideable at 3LC pace, maybe if you've got a cross bike.
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    I take it they've done the same as last year then? Hopefully it will bed in a bit quicker, still plenty of summer left...
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/41991871@N ... otostream/
  • birdy247
    birdy247 Posts: 454
    How am i supposed to get some descent riding around this area now? Out towards surrey???
    www.turbotraining.co.uk
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    birdy247 wrote:
    How am i supposed to get some descent riding around this area now? Out towards surrey???

    Yep - could try heading out to Cobham, Plugh Lane, Ockham...

    This is very annoying. Was hoping to get a few laps under my belt before the Marmotte. Chose to ride over the grass and join th path rather than ride over that stuff last night.
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • Toks
    Toks Posts: 1,143
    I was planning on another assult tomorrow evening. Is the surface any worse than two weeks ago?
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Toks wrote:
    I was planning on another assult tomorrow evening. Is the surface any worse than two weeks ago?

    yes, large areas of gravel now on top, it may have been swept, but last night it was pretty unrideable.
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • timmarshall
    timmarshall Posts: 5
    Do they just leave it like that? first year in London.. It is unridable at the moment, saw about 4 or 5 guys repairing punctures this avo
  • hungryjim
    hungryjim Posts: 8
    2 minutes faster than last time! Maybe the gravel and dust made me go faster? Or it could have been the lack of wind, I don't know.


    Name.......................Dir...........Wht........Time.........Mnth....Club...............TOR*
    eyepea0...................Anti........80kg......48:28....Jun........LD.......1st cat
    nigelstephens..........Anti.........71kg......48:36........May.....Finchley RT....2nd Cat
    Andy Betts...............Anti........74kg..........48:41.....June......Sigma.....Elite
    TarmacExpert (TT)....Anti.........72kg......49:20.......May......KW.......AP 277W NP 293W
    theHAIRYleggedONE..Anti.......74kg......49:29.......May.....TeamFeat.Trigeek TT AvHR150
    benjacobs.................Anti.........68kg......50:03.......May......LD.......2nd cat
    JibberJim................. Anti........75kg......50.05........Jun........KW....Cat 3 few points..AP 328W NP 354W
    Petromyzon.............Anti........75kg........50.39.......June........LD.......AP 331W NP 340W
    TarmacExpert (road).Anti.........71kg......51:00......Apr.......KW.......AP 278W NP 288W
    KingstonWheeler.....Anti.........67kg......51.36........Apr.......PEV Geneve...cyclotourist
    Damien Breen..........Anti.......60ishkg....51.57.......Apr........KW......2nd cat
    mathammond............Anti.........80kg......52:28.......Apr......N/A.........Leisure
    Felgen......................Anti.........91kg.......52.37.......Apr.........KW..........2nd cat *ahem*
    tomb8555.................Anti.........84kg......53:05........Jun.......TCC......Nearly 2nd Cat..
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......53:10........May........KW......Commuter/Sportive
    Toks.........................Anti.........71kg.....54:12.......June........ACC....Average 3rd Cat
    CJCP........................Anti.........78kg......54:34........May........KW.......Commuter/Sportive
    seabadger.................Anti.........82kg......54:35........May........n/a........fitness/MTB
    Red GT......................Anti.........75kg......54:37.........May........n/a.......sportive
    mark_d................. ..Anti........61kg......54:38...........Mar........LD.......AP 269W NP 276W
    ives............................Anti........82kg.....54.40..........May........n/a.......commuter
    jamesjarvis................Anti........63kg.......54:40........Apr.....................
    Zav........................Anti........85(ish).... 54:40.......June........LD.......commute
    Raynaw...................Anti........88kg......54:52........Apr........TCC.....Cat 3....AP 343W
    Rich158....................Anti.........68kg......55:02......June.........Lp..........Poor Cat 4
    J4zzDogg.................Anti.......80kg........55:18......June.......LD.....Commuter/Sportive
    amnezia............Anti..........72kg.........55:22........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/Sportive
    bigdave1963.............Anti........87kg......55:30........May.......KW........Sportive
    SPEEDOboy77..........Anti.........75kg.....55:32.......Apr.........KW.....Cat 3 No Power
    Rushie.....................Anti........76kg......55:40.........Apr.......TCC.......Sportive/Cat4
    RedGreenBaron.......Anti.........71kg......55:40........May.......LD........Sportive
    Bush75...................Anti........78kg......55:58.........Apr.......LRC.......Sportive/Cat4
    Abdoujaparov.......Anti.......76kg......56:38........Jun........LD...........Fitness/sportive
    Marko1982...............Anti.......81kg........56:44........Apr........NA.......Triathlete
    Rookie.....................Anti........100kg.......56:47........Apr........NA........Sportive
    Flix23.......................Anti.........70kg.......56:49.......May.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    mroli.......................Anti.........68kg........57:07.......Apr.....N/A..........Sportive/Fitness
    thebongolian.......Anti......c.80kg.....57:28..........June......N/a........Sportive/Cat4
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......57:33........Jan........KW......Commuter/Sportive (SS 48x16)
    maryka.................Anit..........53.5kg....57:49.........May.......KW......cat 2w 234W NP 216W AP
    London-red...............Anti.........80kg......57:55........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/fitness
    Arpy.....................Anti..........101kg....58:03.......June.........N/A.........Fitness
    Grrram....................Anti.........84.2kg......58:10........Apr.......none........Fitness/Sportive
    J09.........................Anti...........60kg.......58:16.......June.......N/A........MTB/Sportives
    Davo4......................Anti.........94kg......58:18........Apr........N/A......1st year tri
    stevie becks........Anti..........76kg.......58:30.......Apr.......Sky.......Sportive
    Lana......................Anti..........63kg......58:36........Jun.......N/A.........Commuter/Sportive
    Westwimash............Anti........80kg......58:38.........May.......N/A.........Fitness
    Cumulonimbus.........Anti.........85kg.......58:38.......May....................Fitness
    Schobiedoo...........Anti........91kg......58:45.........May..................Sportive
    Big Red.....................Anti........95kg......58:48.........Apr.......N/A.......Fitness/Sportive
    POD..................Anti.......86kg....59:15..............Apr......N/A.......Sportive (and the odd race)
    The Emu...........Anti.......80Kg....59:18..............May........KW......... Old Hack
    King Donut.......Anti..........90kg.......59:37.......May.........N/A........Commuter/fitness
    Al B..................Anti..........70kg.......59:37.......June........BSkyB....Sportive
    johnny2legs........Anti.......87kg........60.02.......June...N/A...Sportive
    RHE......................Anti...........91kg........60:20........Apr......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    statts...................Anti.............75kg......60.30.......May.........N/A....Fitness / Sportive
    Il Principe..............Anti.......75kg....60:40..............Mar.......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    Greasygrinder..........Anti......75kg.......60:53.........Apr........KW.......AP 259
    Rostropovich............Anti......74kg.......60:53.........May.......N/A........Fitness/Sportive
    greeny12..............Anti........87kg......60.57........Mar..........N/A.......Fitness/sportive
    TheStone.................Anti.........91kg......62:24........Jun.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    TimMarshall............Anti.........102kg.......62:29..........June.....NA.......Fitness
    Hungryjim...............Anti.........75kg.......62:48.........Jun.......n/a.......Fitness
    marcusjb...................anti......61Kg........62:55.........May.......N/A........Leisure
    CXXC......................Anti..........80kg.......63:06.......Apr.......N/A......Commuter/Sportive
    caw35slr.................Anti
    97kg.......63:09.......May..... KW........Fitness/Sportive
    Global Nomad.........Anti..........75kg.......63:10.......May.......N/A......Commuter/Fitness
    Coopster the 1st....Anti........86kg......63:34......Jun........n/a..........Commuter/Sportive
    Expatbore...............Anti...........83kg......63:57.......Jun........KW.........Commuter/sportive
    toontra.......................Anti.........75kg......64:57.........Mar......N/A........Audax
    pangolin....................Anti.........89kg......65:00.........Apr......N/A.......Fitness/Commuter
    Guinea.....................Anti........89kg......65.11........Mar........none.........Fun
    Citizen Smith..........Anti.........95kg......65.26.........May.....SCR.....Fitness/Commuter/Hybrid
    LFCQuin...................Anti.........82kg......66:00........Jan.......MW........Cat 3/Core
    biondino..................Anti.........80kg........66.15.......Feb.......n/a..........commuter
    Dan_JR..................Anti.........80kg........66.31.......Apr.......n/a..........Fitness/Commuter
    Ketsbaia................Clock.........76kg.......67.28........Mar.......n/a.....Fitness/sportive
    BCSS.....................Anti..........75kg......68.24........Jan......NA...........Will I ever be fast?
    KingstonGraham.....Anti.........74kg......68:39........Jan.......NA........Triathlete
    Il Principe..............Anti.......dunno....68:57......Feb......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    G-Wiz..............Anti.......100kg....69:05......Apr......NA.......Fitness/Sportive
    jrduquemin...........Clock......79kg......69:07........Jan.......None.......Fitness/Sportive
    jag--.........................Anti.........78kg......69.09.......April........Sky...........Sportive newbie
    Furrag....................anti.........68kg.........69:34......June.....KW..........Fitness/Fun
    MattM78..................Anti........89kg.......73.24.........Feb....SWRC....Commuter/sportive/tri
    NWLondoner...........Clock......61kg......77.56........Jan........??.........Fitness/Training
  • Casbar
    Casbar Posts: 168
    I did this inmay but forgottopost it. Will try again in te next couple of days ...hopefully a lot faster !!

    Name.......................Dir...........Wht........Time.........Mnth....Club...............TOR*
    eyepea0...................Anti........80kg......48:28....Jun........LD.......1st cat
    nigelstephens..........Anti.........71kg......48:36........May.....Finchley RT....2nd Cat
    Andy Betts...............Anti........74kg..........48:41.....June......Sigma.....Elite
    TarmacExpert (TT)....Anti.........72kg......49:20.......May......KW.......AP 277W NP 293W
    theHAIRYleggedONE..Anti.......74kg......49:29.......May.....TeamFeat.Trigeek TT AvHR150
    benjacobs.................Anti.........68kg......50:03.......May......LD.......2nd cat
    JibberJim................. Anti........75kg......50.05........Jun........KW....Cat 3 few points..AP 328W NP 354W
    Petromyzon.............Anti........75kg........50.39.......June........LD.......AP 331W NP 340W
    TarmacExpert (road).Anti.........71kg......51:00......Apr.......KW.......AP 278W NP 288W
    KingstonWheeler.....Anti.........67kg......51.36........Apr.......PEV Geneve...cyclotourist
    Damien Breen..........Anti.......60ishkg....51.57.......Apr........KW......2nd cat
    mathammond............Anti.........80kg......52:28.......Apr......N/A.........Leisure
    Felgen......................Anti.........91kg.......52.37.......Apr.........KW..........2nd cat *ahem*
    tomb8555.................Anti.........84kg......53:05........Jun.......TCC......Nearly 2nd Cat..
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......53:10........May........KW......Commuter/Sportive
    Toks.........................Anti.........71kg.....54:12.......June........ACC....Average 3rd Cat
    CJCP........................Anti.........78kg......54:34........May........KW.......Commuter/Sportive
    seabadger.................Anti.........82kg......54:35........May........n/a........fitness/MTB
    Red GT......................Anti.........75kg......54:37.........May........n/a.......sportive
    mark_d................. ..Anti........61kg......54:38...........Mar........LD.......AP 269W NP 276W
    ives............................Anti........82kg.....54.40..........May........n/a.......commuter
    jamesjarvis................Anti........63kg.......54:40........Apr.....................
    Zav........................Anti........85(ish).... 54:40.......June........LD.......commute
    Raynaw...................Anti........88kg......54:52........Apr........TCC.....Cat 3....AP 343W
    Rich158....................Anti.........68kg......55:02......June.........Lp..........Poor Cat 4
    J4zzDogg.................Anti.......80kg........55:18......June.......LD.....Commuter/Sportive
    amnezia............Anti..........72kg.........55:22........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/Sportive
    bigdave1963.............Anti........87kg......55:30........May.......KW........Sportive
    SPEEDOboy77..........Anti.........75kg.....55:32.......Apr.........KW.....Cat 3 No Power
    Rushie.....................Anti........76kg......55:40.........Apr.......TCC.......Sportive/Cat4
    RedGreenBaron.......Anti.........71kg......55:40........May.......LD........Sportive
    Bush75...................Anti........78kg......55:58.........Apr.......LRC.......Sportive/Cat4
    Abdoujaparov.......Anti.......76kg......56:38........Jun........LD...........Fitness/sportive
    Marko1982...............Anti.......81kg........56:44........Apr........NA.......Triathlete
    Rookie.....................Anti........100kg.......56:47........Apr........NA........Sportive
    Flix23.......................Anti.........70kg.......56:49.......May.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    mroli.......................Anti.........68kg........57:07.......Apr.....N/A..........Sportive/Fitness
    thebongolian.......Anti......c.80kg.....57:28..........June......N/a........Sportive/Cat4
    JonGinge..................Anti.........67kg......57:33........Jan........KW......Commuter/Sportive (SS 48x16)
    maryka.................Anit..........53.5kg....57:49.........May.......KW......cat 2w 234W NP 216W AP
    London-red...............Anti.........80kg......57:55........Jun........N/A.......Commuter/fitness
    Arpy.....................Anti..........101kg....58:03.......June.........N/A.........Fitness
    Grrram....................Anti.........84.2kg......58:10........Apr.......none........Fitness/Sportive
    J09.........................Anti...........60kg.......58:16.......June.......N/A........MTB/Sportives
    Davo4......................Anti.........94kg......58:18........Apr........N/A......1st year tri
    stevie becks........Anti..........76kg.......58:30.......Apr.......Sky.......Sportive
    Lana......................Anti..........63kg......58:36........Jun.......N/A.........Commuter/Sportive
    Westwimash............Anti........80kg......58:38.........May.......N/A.........Fitness
    Cumulonimbus.........Anti.........85kg.......58:38.......May....................Fitness
    Schobiedoo...........Anti........91kg......58:45.........May..................Sportive
    Big Red.....................Anti........95kg......58:48.........Apr.......N/A.......Fitness/Sportive
    POD..................Anti.......86kg....59:15..............Apr......N/A.......Sportive (and the odd race)
    The Emu...........Anti.......80Kg....59:18..............May........KW......... Old Hack
    King Donut.......Anti..........90kg.......59:37.......May.........N/A........Commuter/fitness
    Al B..................Anti..........70kg.......59:37.......June........BSkyB....Sportive
    Casbar.............Anti.........73kg......59.57.........May......Fitness/Sportive
    johnny2legs........Anti.......87kg........60.02.......June...N/A...Sportive
    RHE......................Anti...........91kg........60:20........Apr......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    statts...................Anti.............75kg......60.30.......May.........N/A....Fitness / Sportive
    Il Principe..............Anti.......75kg....60:40..............Mar.......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    Greasygrinder..........Anti......75kg.......60:53.........Apr........KW.......AP 259
    Rostropovich............Anti......74kg.......60:53.........May.......N/A........Fitness/Sportive
    greeny12..............Anti........87kg......60.57........Mar..........N/A.......Fitness/sportive
    TheStone.................Anti.........91kg......62:24........Jun.......N/A......Fitness/Sportive
    TimMarshall............Anti.........102kg.......62:29..........June.....NA.......Fitness
    marcusjb...................anti......61Kg........62:55.........May.......N/A........Leisure
    CXXC......................Anti..........80kg.......63:06.......Apr.......N/A......Commuter/Sportive
    caw35slr.................Anti
    97kg.......63:09.......May..... KW........Fitness/Sportive
    Global Nomad.........Anti..........75kg.......63:10.......May.......N/A......Commuter/Fitness
    Coopster the 1st....Anti........86kg......63:34......Jun........n/a..........Commuter/Sportive
    Expatbore...............Anti...........83kg......63:57.......Jun........KW.........Commuter/sportive
    Hungryjim...............Anti.........75kg.......64:51.........Jun.......n/a.......Fitness
    toontra.......................Anti.........75kg......64:57.........Mar......N/A........Audax
    pangolin....................Anti.........89kg......65:00.........Apr......N/A.......Fitness/Commuter
    Guinea.....................Anti........89kg......65.11........Mar........none.........Fun
    Citizen Smith..........Anti.........95kg......65.26.........May.....SCR.....Fitness/Commuter/Hybrid
    LFCQuin...................Anti.........82kg......66:00........Jan.......MW........Cat 3/Core
    biondino..................Anti.........80kg........66.15.......Feb.......n/a..........commuter
    Dan_JR..................Anti.........80kg........66.31.......Apr.......n/a..........Fitness/Commuter
    Ketsbaia................Clock.........76kg.......67.28........Mar.......n/a.....Fitness/sportive
    BCSS.....................Anti..........75kg......68.24........Jan......NA...........Will I ever be fast?
    KingstonGraham.....Anti.........74kg......68:39........Jan.......NA........Triathlete
    Il Principe..............Anti.......dunno....68:57......Feb......NA.......Commuter/Sportive
    G-Wiz..............Anti.......100kg....69:05......Apr......NA.......Fitness/Sportive
    jrduquemin...........Clock......79kg......69:07........Jan.......None.......Fitness/Sportive
    jag--.........................Anti.........78kg......69.09.......April........Sky...........Sportive newbie
    Furrag....................anti.........68kg.........69:34......June.....KW..........Fitness/Fun
    MattM78..................Anti........89kg.......73.24.........Feb....SWRC....Commuter/sportive/tri
    NWLondoner...........Clock......61kg......77.56........Jan........??.........Fitness/Training
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  • tomb8555
    tomb8555 Posts: 229
    birdy247 wrote:
    How am i supposed to get some descent riding around this area now? Out towards surrey???

    Kingston gate to the little roundabout at the bottom of broomfield..
    Little roundabout at bottom of broomfield to Kingston gate..
    Kingston gate to the little roundabout at the bottom of broomfield..
    Little roundabout at bottom of broomfield to Kingston gate..
    Kingston gate to the little roundabout at the bottom of broomfield..
    Little roundabout at bottom of broomfield to Kingston gate..
    Kingston gate to the little roundabout at the bottom of broomfield..
    Little roundabout at bottom of broomfield to Kingston gate..

    etc etc..

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