When your brain is saying STOP during an interval...
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Bhima wrote:
My pacing is currently crap and, as i've mentioned before, it needs sorting out if I want to do some effective power tests. Other than that, it's just experimentation. Maybe I NEED to burn out and find my breaking point because at the moment have no idea where it is. :? It appears I can go harder than I previously thought which is an exciting idea. It appearws i've been lazy when going hard on the road, probably due to variable terrain and not being able to stay focussed. Although there's a massive ammount of suffering involved, i'm finding the whole process "fun".disgruntledgoat wrote:I see no benefit in constantly trying, as Bhima seems to be, to work out what my absolute maximum effort is
Also, it seems i've given the wrong impression here - i'm not doing these crazy maximal efforts day in day out. I'm leaving recovery time NapD.
I plan to compete in 3 months time. Again, this is where I get confused - what kind of intervals leave you physically drained for a 3 month period? What power output would need such a recovery? 2x20s @ 100000W? This is more of a mental barrier I think - you think going too hard is counterproductive because you'll lose the will to continue at such a hard pace when the season actually starts?disgruntledgoat wrote:especially if i'm aiming to be competetive in 6 months time.
But Bhima, you won't stop doing hte intervals when you start racing, otherwise your form will go off a cliff. You need to train and then recover and then race in both micro, macro and meta cycles.
You are aiming to be competetive in 3 months, great. But competetive for what? And then for what after that. Because if you are aiming to go all season you will not be able to sustain that level of intensity. You need to plan.
Listen in here, because i'm going to give you the biggest lesson i've learned in 10 years of training and racing. I used to do 5 rides in a week and 4 of those would include intervals of above 90% MHR, the shortest time on a ride i would spend above that was 16 minutes. I had a couple of really good seasons, then I got injured, then I came back and beasted myself ever harder through the winter all last summer and winter I could not get my HR over 89% without absolutely destroying myself, and then only for a minute or two. As a consequence I couldn't perform to any kind of level. I blew up easily, I had sporadic form I couldn't extend myslf like I used to.
I put it down to weight gain and other factors but it took external help to make me see that I was seriously overtraining. I was not giving my body enough time to recover from the work i was giving it and this was on a day to day, month to month and year for year basis. Take heed."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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'goat, just trying to get an idea of what you are saying there.
Are you saying that you were over training on 5 hard session a week and that your evidence for over training was an inability to get your hr above 89%?0 -
NapoleonD wrote:Bhima wrote:NapoleonD wrote:
You gave the impression, no, in fact you actually said, that you were going flat out every day...
Every day i'm on the rollers, yes. I only use them twice a week max...
Also - you mention power to weight ratio - the last test I did was really dodgy with fluctuations in power. I can't do a decent FTP hour to find my current level because my pacing is awful, hence these tests.
Come round to my place
We'll do a Coggan test...
Then we can work something out regards zones and pacing and sh1t...
I think you mean an Allen test? 0 -
chrisw12 wrote:'goat, just trying to get an idea of what you are saying there.
Are you saying that you were over training on 5 hard session a week and that your evidence for over training was an inability to get your hr above 89%?
Inability to get your HR close to max is a sign of fatigue."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. I was doing 10 mile TTs at an av HR of 90% because it would not go any higher for more than a few seconds. I think the maximum I saw until I made a change in august was about 91%. I was tired all the time, had no zip and my legs were constantly sore. Like you do though, I saw what I wanted and convinced myself my HR was so low on my rides because I was so aerobically fit!
An average week this time last year was this
Monday: rest
Tuesday: race simulation dvd or hour of power on turbo
Wednesday: 1hour on turbo @80-85% with 4 x 5 minute aerobic threshold intervals.
Thursday: TT workout on turbo
Friday: rest
Saturday:3-5 hours on the road with an hour at threshold and an hour of power or 2 x 20s thrown in.
Sunday: as Saturday.
I was rinsing myself, as you can see!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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doyler78 wrote:NapoleonD wrote:Bhima wrote:NapoleonD wrote:
You gave the impression, no, in fact you actually said, that you were going flat out every day...
Every day i'm on the rollers, yes. I only use them twice a week max...
Also - you mention power to weight ratio - the last test I did was really dodgy with fluctuations in power. I can't do a decent FTP hour to find my current level because my pacing is awful, hence these tests.
Come round to my place
We'll do a Coggan test...
Then we can work something out regards zones and pacing and sh1t...
I think you mean an Allen test?
http://www.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2008/01/ftp-and-power.html
"The reference point for power comes from the work of Andy Coggan, PhD. He calls it Functional Threshold Power (FTP). FTP is the power you would average with your highest possible effort during a 60-minute race. Once you know your personal FTP you simply use Andy's system to find your zones as described in Hunter Allen's and Coggan's book, Training and Racing With a Power Meter:"0 -
NapoleonD wrote:doyler78 wrote:NapoleonD wrote:Bhima wrote:NapoleonD wrote:
You gave the impression, no, in fact you actually said, that you were going flat out every day...
Every day i'm on the rollers, yes. I only use them twice a week max...
Also - you mention power to weight ratio - the last test I did was really dodgy with fluctuations in power. I can't do a decent FTP hour to find my current level because my pacing is awful, hence these tests.
Come round to my place
We'll do a Coggan test...
Then we can work something out regards zones and pacing and sh1t...
I think you mean an Allen test?
http://www.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2008/01/ftp-and-power.html
"The reference point for power comes from the work of Andy Coggan, PhD. He calls it Functional Threshold Power (FTP). FTP is the power you would average with your highest possible effort during a 60-minute race. Once you know your personal FTP you simply use Andy's system to find your zones as described in Hunter Allen's and Coggan's book, Training and Racing With a Power Meter:"
It's the test protocol I was referring to. If it is a 20 min test as laid out in the bible then that's Hunter's protocol for estimating FTP so far as I'm aware. Could be wrong but it something I thought I picked up somewhere.0 -
Correct - the test protocol in the book is Hunter Allen's. Andy doesn't actually recommend it as a test for FTP.doyler78 wrote:It's the test protocol I was referring to. If it is a 20 min test as laid out in the bible then that's Hunter's protocol for estimating FTP so far as I'm aware. Could be wrong but it something I thought I picked up somewhere.0
