Ryan f***ing Giggs???

tailwindhome

redddraggon wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

Could still do a job for you though.

For me?

Yes

If you're Fabio Capello or English

Yes

If you're Welsh and Cudicini moves to Wales for the next 5 years

Yes

if you're Harry Redknapp

Other wise

No

singlespeedexplosif

yes, for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU

antfly

I think you can only qualify for England after you`ve lived here for a while if you are a proper foreigner, being born in Wales means Giggs is British so living in England doesn`t qualify him for England anyway but a foreigner who gets a British passport can play for any of the home nations who will have him, I believe. [Bugger, looks like this has already been said}.

bagpusscp

What pi$$e$ me off is the use of the word hero for sports men and women.

Here is a real one.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 934988.ece

singlespeedexplosif

I have no problems using the word hero for sports men and women. Kids look up to them and idolise them. Yes, you could argue that some (many) of them are not good role models, but not many of them chose a career where you are trained to end life. That does not a hero make.

squired

Did Tiger Woods take the international sports personality award this year?!

Chip \'oyler

bagpusscp wrote:

What pi$$e$ me off is the use of the word hero for sports men and women.

Here is a real one.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 934988.ece

Why should people who sign up to be a member of the armed forces be called heroes? After all they're doing their job, something they have been very highly trained to do.

Surely a hero is someone who does something heroic outside of their chosen field/experience.

Eddie Izzard doing 43 marathons in 51 days springs to mind for instance

redddraggon

Chip \'oyler wrote:

Surely a hero is someone who does something heroic outside of their chosen field/experience.

Noel Chavasse? Doctor and VC+bar winner?

Charles Upham? Farmer and VC+bar winner?

Sportsmen are not Heros.

sampras38

Chip \'oyler wrote:

bagpusscp wrote:

What pi$$e$ me off is the use of the word hero for sports men and women.

Here is a real one.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 934988.ece

Why should people who sign up to be a member of the armed forces be called heroes? After all they're doing their job, something they have been very highly trained to do.

Surely a hero is someone who does something heroic outside of their chosen field/experience.

Eddie Izzard doing 43 marathons in 51 days springs to mind for instance

He did walk for a lot of it though...;-)

bagpusscp

singlespeedexplosif wrote:

I have no problems using the word hero for sports men and women. Kids look up to them and idolise them. Yes, you could argue that some (many) of them are not good role models, but not many of them chose a career where you are trained to end life. That does not a hero make.

Neither does a medic .......They save it.

Over paid sports people can be a role model ...TWs!!!...but a hero? no I dont think so.Sporting icon maybe.

Pross

bagpusscp wrote:

What pi$$e$ me off is the use of the word hero for sports men and women.

Here is a real one.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 934988.ece

Or the Major who was on SPOTY last night who took days to complete the marathon while barely able to walk following his injuries. Put a few others there in the shadows to me!

Anonymous

Chip \'oyler wrote:

bagpusscp wrote:

What pi$$e$ me off is the use of the word hero for sports men and women.

Here is a real one.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 934988.ece

Why should people who sign up to be a member of the armed forces be called heroes? After all they're doing their job, something they have been very highly trained to do.

Surely a hero is someone who does something heroic outside of their chosen field/experience.

Eddie Izzard doing 43 marathons in 51 days springs to mind for instance

They get called heroes for carrying out heroic acts that go above and beyond the said job. Conspicuous gallantry I think is the correct term.

Being at the end of your rope for 6 months in 40 C heat, 4 hours kip and the locals are trying to kill you is a job in itself. I think you need some glasses matey, because you are definitely short sighted.

Anonymous

singlespeedexplosif wrote:

I have no problems using the word hero for sports men and women. Kids look up to them and idolise them. Yes, you could argue that some (many) of them are not good role models, but not many of them chose a career where you are trained to end life. That does not a hero make.

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Thats one of the perks me old sausage. [/b]

Anonymous

No takers ?

rake

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

tailwindhome

rake wrote:

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

Soldiers get paid, do they not?

Are the Afghans and Iraqis also heroes?

The Geman Nazis and the Japanese?

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country.*




*sounding a bit Borat so I'm going to stop now

antfly

Well Ryan Giggs {back to the subject} aint no hero and he certainly never put himself out for Wales. He`s also a girlfriend-beater BTW.

beverick

Stewie Griffin wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

Stewie Griffin wrote:

Giggs would have qualified for England after living here for 5 years, just like Aluminum.

No he wouldn't, he'd been living in England since he was 6, so that would have made him eligible by 11.

Thats what I believe. He always said he would have chosen to play for Wales anyway.

No, read the entries above you're original post. Under the terms of a 1993 sporting accord between the home FAs (which amended and formalised what was already in place) Giggs would never have qualified to play for an England national side at any level - including under 16. Under the accord a British born citizen can only ever play for the country of their, their parents, or their grandparents birth. Therefore he could only have ever played representative football for either Wales or Sierra Leone (the birth place of his paternal grandfather)*.

Giggs played for the English School's Football Association side not the England national under 16 side. The ESFA is is exactly that - a side representing English schools (hence the apostrophe). The ESFA is only part of The FA through affiliation and there is no national qualification for their team(s). To qualify you simply have to attend a school in England (so Giggs could have played for Sierra Leone or Wales at under 16 and still have reprented the ESFA).

As far as I know, there are only three cases where a British citizen may play for any of the home nations.

1) By having parents and/or grandparents born in each of the home countries (by this token my wife could qualify for England, Scotland or N Ireland - and Ireland ironically!).
2) By being born in the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man or various other 'crown protectorates' (such as Matt LeTissier and Graham Le Saux).
3) By the player, thier parents and grandparents being born outside of the UK and then applying to be a naturalised British citizen. Once you're a British citizen you can play for one the four home associations assuming you haven't already played for any any of the others (so Almunia could equally play for Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland).

Don't ask about internation qualifications to play cricket. It's decided more on mercenary terms than place of birth!

* I seem to remember that under a similar accord players who qualify to play for Sierra Leone are also eligible to play for France.

Bob

rake

soliers pay get nothing compared to sports people do they not? also live in sh1t housing.
not all soldiers are branded heroes ie nazis- thats a slew of the worst kind.
sport people are not. they are not acting sleflessly. great achievement yes hero no.
the term is cheapened these days.

avoidingmyphd

Bob's post is awesome. Hidden on p4 of a cycling forum discussion is the suggestion that Giggs was eligible for France but not England.

Do you think even he knew this?

Aggieboy

pepelepew wrote:

Aggieboy wrote:

A Welshman with a personality! Who knew!!

Hmm.... Did you lose your favourite Teddy on a day trip to Porthcawl when you were a nipper?

No. Although I did lose the contents of my stomach once, while camping in Manorbier, after drinking too much Brains!

Le Commentateur

Therefore he could only have ever played representative football for either Wales or Sierra Leone (the birth place of his paternal grandfather)*.

* I seem to remember that under a similar accord players who qualify to play for Sierra Leone are also eligible to play for France.

Has anyone told France of this possibility? After this year's desperate performances in the qualifiers they might be interested...

Escargot

From the Cambridge dictionary:

Hero noun (PERSON)
• (female heroine) a person who is admired for having done something very brave or having achieved something great

Sadly people attach their own idea of what hero actually means. That does not make a sports personality any less of one.

Personal life aside, on the pitch Giggs is a superb sportsman and well deserving of the title (I thought the title was SPOTY and not SP&WifeBeaterOTY ). Career wise he's achieved more with ManU than any of the others have in theirs and still plays first class footy at a ripe old age (I'm an Arsenal supporter btw).

Anonymous

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

rake wrote:

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

Soldiers get paid, do they not?

Are the Afghans and Iraqis also heroes?

The Geman Nazis and the Japanese?

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country.*




*sounding a bit Borat so I'm going to stop now

Thats the best idea I reckon you have ever had. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

tailwindhome

dmclite wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

rake wrote:

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

Soldiers get paid, do they not?

Are the Afghans and Iraqis also heroes?

The Geman Nazis and the Japanese?

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country.*




*sounding a bit Borat so I'm going to stop now

Thats the best idea I reckon you have ever had. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Granted I could have substituted German for Nazi, otherwise would you like to cut back on the rolling eyes and actually tell me were my post is incorrect.

Tonymufc

hopper1 wrote:

I'm not a lover of football, but it was obvious, Giggs would win.
He has had a fantastic career. Had he have chose to play for England, he would have been even more popular!

Cycling is a minority sport, like it, or not, and Cav just wasn't going to get it. Cav only won six stages at the 'Tour de France', most of his competition for SPOTTY came from 'World Champions'. :shock:
I felt that Jess Ennis should have been above Button.

I wouldn't mind Jess Ennis being above me.

Steve_b77

All this talk of Ryan Giggs having previously hit women, can someone point me in the direction of evidence of this?

As I recall he's never been in trouble for anything off the pitch, pretty much on it either :?:

Anonymous

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

dmclite wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

rake wrote:

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

Soldiers get paid, do they not?

Are the Afghans and Iraqis also heroes?

The Geman Nazis and the Japanese?

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country.*




*sounding a bit Borat so I'm going to stop now

[/b]

Thats the best idea I reckon you have ever had. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Granted I could have substituted German for Nazi, otherwise would you like to cut back on the rolling eyes and actually tell me were my post is incorrect.

The preclusion part and the idea to stop, cause you are sounding like Borat.

:roll:

(see I've cut back like you said. )

tailwindhome

dmclite wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

dmclite wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

rake wrote:

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

Soldiers get paid, do they not?

Are the Afghans and Iraqis also heroes?

The Geman Nazis and the Japanese?

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country.*




*sounding a bit Borat so I'm going to stop now

[/b]

Thats the best idea I reckon you have ever had. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Granted I could have substituted German for Nazi, otherwise would you like to cut back on the rolling eyes and actually tell me were my post is incorrect.

The preclusion part and the idea to stop, cause you are sounding like Borat.

:roll:

(see I've cut back like you said. )

You have either misread my post or don't know what the word preclude means.

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.

The point of my original post was to explore Rake's idea

service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different

Would that be our service men or their service men.

Can an enemy combatant behave heroically or be a hero to his own people?

The world may not be as straightforward as Rake believes.

Also this idea

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.

Seriously?

How much do they have to get paid to be disqualified from hero status?

Any of these people heroes?

Muhammed Ali
Tiger Woods (maybe :? )
Chris Boardman
Chris Hoy
Graeme Obree
Sir Steven Redgrave
Bradley Wiggins (or is he disqualified since he went to Sky)
Pele
Joe Barr
Bobby Charlton
Bobby Moore

I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country

Didn't think anyone could find controversy in that statement

Borat wrote:

Sporting Heroes Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Britain

Anonymous

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

dmclite wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

dmclite wrote:

WheezyMcChubby wrote:

rake wrote:

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different.

Soldiers get paid, do they not?

Are the Afghans and Iraqis also heroes?

The Geman Nazis and the Japanese?

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country.*




*sounding a bit Borat so I'm going to stop now

[/b]

Thats the best idea I reckon you have ever had. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Granted I could have substituted German for Nazi, otherwise would you like to cut back on the rolling eyes and actually tell me were my post is incorrect.

The preclusion part and the idea to stop, cause you are sounding like Borat.

:roll:

(see I've cut back like you said. )

You have either misread my post or don't know what the word preclude means.

Being in the armed forces doesn't make a man a hero, nor to be fair does it preclude the possiblity.

The point of my original post was to explore Rake's idea

service people dont get to decide where they go or why, but act to protect their country with possibility of death. thats different

Would that be our service men or their service men.

Can an enemy combatant behave heroically or be a hero to his own people?

The world may not be as straightforward as Rake believes.

Also this idea

sportsmen are very highly paid and has no direct benefit on others, they are not heroes.
heroism is a selfless act for others benefit. sportsman on big wages isnt selfless and doesnt benefit my well being. its just good to watch.

Seriously?

How much do they have to get paid to be disqualified from hero status?

Any of these people heroes?

Muhammed Ali
Tiger Woods (maybe :? )
Chris Boardman
Chris Hoy
Graeme Obree
Sir Steven Redgrave
Bradley Wiggins (or is he disqualified since he went to Sky)
Pele
Joe Barr
Bobby Charlton
Bobby Moore

I think it's perfectly reasonable to describe a sports star as a hero based on their sporting achievement and influence as a role model. If a man can be a hero for defending his country can he not be a hero for bringing pride and joy to his country

Didn't think anyone could find controversy in that statement

Borat wrote:

Sporting Heroes Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Britain

seems you can learn lots from the telly.