Ryan f***ing Giggs???
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Aggieboy wrote:A Welshman with a personality! Who knew!!
Hmm.... Did you lose your favourite Teddy on a day trip to Porthcawl when you were a nipper? Det. Sgt. George Carter: Do you know what, Jack? You're full of sh!t.
Det. Insp. Jack Regan: I thought it was about time you made an intellectual contribution to this debate.
Det. Sgt. George Carter: Boll@cks.0 -
tennis player Andy Murray (19,936)
presumably 1 vote from Sue Barker, 9,935 from his mum and 10,000 from some scotch people who don't care if he's won anything or not, he's 'one of ours' ?0 -
singlespeedexplosif wrote:tennis player Andy Murray (19,936)
presumably 1 vote from Sue Barker, 9,935 from his mum and 10,000 from some scotch people who don't care if he's won anything or not, he's 'one of ours' ?
As in the whiskey people?
Are you Walesish btw More problems but still living....0 -
As in the whiskey people?
erm...that'd be the Irish, right? The stuff from Scotland doesn't have an 'e' 0 -
Doh! :oops:More problems but still living....0
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singlespeedexplosif wrote:tennis player Andy Murray (19,936)
presumably 1 vote from Sue Barker, 9,935 from his mum and 10,000 from some scotch people who don't care if he's won anything or not, he's 'one of ours' ?
He won six tournaments this year, including a couple of Masters Series events, and reached number two in the world rankings. I'm not saying he should have won or owt, but the idea he hasn't had a successful year is ridiculous.0 -
stfc1 wrote:singlespeedexplosif wrote:tennis player Andy Murray (19,936)
presumably 1 vote from Sue Barker, 9,935 from his mum and 10,000 from some scotch people who don't care if he's won anything or not, he's 'one of ours' ?
He won six tournaments this year, including a couple of Masters Series events, and reached number two in the world rankings. I'm not saying he should have won or owt, but the idea he hasn't had a successful year is ridiculous.
Thing is though, how many people that actually vote for SPOTY know that much about tennis to really undertstand what Murray has achieved? Most people just think winning a Slam is it and if you haven't done that you're a failure. OK, in tennis terms the slams are really what counts but you get my point.
I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to explain to people what Henman had achieved, even though he never won a slam. It got very tiresome after a while.0 -
I'd have gone for Jessica Ennis by a mile. Bundles of personality. I also remember the pre-Olympics thing they did last year on the BBC, following a number of athletes like her. Seeing her when she was told her injury would put her out of the Olympics was quite emotional. So, for her to come back and win Gold in the summer was brilliant. Unfortunately only the Olympics seems to matter when it comes to the British public.0
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squired wrote:I'd have gone for Jessica Ennis by a mile. Bundles of personality. I also remember the pre-Olympics thing they did last year on the BBC, following a number of athletes like her. Seeing her when she was told her injury would put her out of the Olympics was quite emotional. So, for her to come back and win Gold in the summer was brilliant. Unfortunately only the Olympics seems to matter when it comes to the British public.
+1... Well said.Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
redddraggon wrote:hopper1 wrote:Had he have chose to play for England, he would have been even more popular!
He could have chosen to play for England but he would have never been allowed to play due to his ineligibility. He had more chance of playing for Sierra Leone than England.
Did Giggs not play for England schoolboys?
Choosing Wales over England to make his father proud... :?softlad wrote:But 'Sir Hoy' won it last year though, unless that was more of a novelty Olympic thing...
IMHO, Sir Chris Hoy won it last year for much more than just his Olympic medla wins. Besides the SPOTY, he also gained a much more coveted 'Sir' bit to stick in front of his name.
I don't wish to belittle his achievements, but, Cavendish has won stages... Not a Gold Medal!
I don't think he has much of a personality, either :shock:Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
MadammeMarie wrote:Gotte wrote:What's all that about? There were so many worthy candidates, not only Cav, but to end up with Ryan f***ing giggs....
Agreed. I was surprised to see him in the list on the first place. Why include him and not Wayne Rooney I don't know. I smell a rat!
I wanted Cav to win, obviously, but I really thought that this year it would be Jenson Button.
Rooney's a bigger tw4t than Giggs!
Does he have a personality?
I doubt he'd have been able to string a sentence together, for a speech...Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
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Manuel fricking Almunia is eligible to play for England. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Giggs would never have been.
Cav's exploits this year beat one Olympic gold for me. Not sure what's wrong with his personality either - he has the personality of a winner, which is quite handy for a sportsman.0 -
The rules for schoolboy football are that you play for the country that you are schooled in regardless of your nationality. Hence Giggs played for England.
The issue of eligibility is cloudy for the Brittish nations as in football your nationality is determined by your passport and as we all have Brittish passports we can play for any Brittish nation we choose under FIFA's rules.
The Brittish FA's have a gentleman's agreement that you play for the country you are born in unless you have parents or grandparents of a different nationality. This may be different now, I've not really kept up to date with the changes recently.
Clear as mud eh 0 -
MatHammond wrote:Manuel fricking Almunia is eligible to play for England. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Giggs would never have been.
Almunia is not British though but gained a passport after residenceThe national teams of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are, however, a special case because these four “home countries” are part of one national state, the United Kingdom. There is no such thing as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish citizenship.
The associations of these four countries entered an agreement regarding international eligibility in 1993 which provides that a player holding a British passport is eligible to play for the country of his birth, the country of the birth of either of his natural parents or the country of birth of any of his natural grandparents. If the player, his natural parents and his natural grandparents were born outside the U.K., he may play for the home country of his choice. Our understanding is that once a player has played for one of the home countries, even if it is only a friendly match, the 1993 agreement precludes him playing for another home country. The FIFA rule change for players under 21 must be followed in the U.K., however. Under U.K. law, a player (or anyone, for that matter) who was born abroad becomes eligible for a British passport after five years of lawful residence in the country, and he thus becomes eligible to play for one of the home countries provided he has not played for another national side in official competition.0 -
redddraggon wrote:MatHammond wrote:Manuel fricking Almunia is eligible to play for England. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Giggs would never have been.
Almunia is not British though but gained a passport after residenceThe national teams of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are, however, a special case because these four “home countries” are part of one national state, the United Kingdom. There is no such thing as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish citizenship.
The associations of these four countries entered an agreement regarding international eligibility in 1993 which provides that a player holding a British passport is eligible to play for the country of his birth, the country of the birth of either of his natural parents or the country of birth of any of his natural grandparents. If the player, his natural parents and his natural grandparents were born outside the U.K., he may play for the home country of his choice. Our understanding is that once a player has played for one of the home countries, even if it is only a friendly match, the 1993 agreement precludes him playing for another home country. The FIFA rule change for players under 21 must be followed in the U.K., however. Under U.K. law, a player (or anyone, for that matter) who was born abroad becomes eligible for a British passport after five years of lawful residence in the country, and he thus becomes eligible to play for one of the home countries provided he has not played for another national side in official competition.
Hey, I was right 8)
Cheers for this mate, it's what I was trying to say.0 -
i knew button wouldnt get it. theyve got him down as one of those people who cant do any right. always looking for the reason that must have given him an advantage. i wonder how many santander type adverts we will see him on next year.0
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redddraggon wrote:Almunia is not British though but gained a passport after residence
so he is British then..?0 -
softlad wrote:redddraggon wrote:Almunia is not British though but gained a passport after residence
so he is British then..?
Being British is a mentality, a heritage, a culture, not a passport. Almunia is Spanish.0 -
MatHammond wrote:Manuel fricking Almunia is eligible to play for England. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Giggs would never have been.
Cav's exploits this year beat one Olympic gold for me. Not sure what's wrong with his personality either - he has the personality of a winner, which is quite handy for a sportsman.
Giggs would have qualified for England after living here for 5 years, just like Aluminum. Haye should have won anyway, the bloke is heavyweight champion, bit more of an achievement than Giggs who had done nothing more than he had done previously, less in fact. Fine give him a lifetime award but for him to win last night says either we had no outstanding performances this year or a load of London based Manc supporters voted for him. I trust Haye will win it next year when he unifies the belts because the Klitchkos arent exactly top drawer.0 -
redddraggon wrote:MatHammond wrote:Manuel fricking Almunia is eligible to play for England. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Giggs would never have been.
Almunia is not British though but gained a passport after residenceThe national teams of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are, however, a special case because these four “home countries” are part of one national state, the United Kingdom. There is no such thing as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish citizenship.
The associations of these four countries entered an agreement regarding international eligibility in 1993 which provides that a player holding a British passport is eligible to play for the country of his birth, the country of the birth of either of his natural parents or the country of birth of any of his natural grandparents. If the player, his natural parents and his natural grandparents were born outside the U.K., he may play for the home country of his choice. Our understanding is that once a player has played for one of the home countries, even if it is only a friendly match, the 1993 agreement precludes him playing for another home country. The FIFA rule change for players under 21 must be followed in the U.K., however. Under U.K. law, a player (or anyone, for that matter) who was born abroad becomes eligible for a British passport after five years of lawful residence in the country, and he thus becomes eligible to play for one of the home countries provided he has not played for another national side in official competition.
Fair enough, I'd never been able to understand why he would choose to play for Wales but if he actually had no choice then that explains it! 0 -
Stewie Griffin wrote:Giggs would have qualified for England after living here for 5 years, just like Aluminum.
No he wouldn't, he'd been living in England since he was 6, so that would have made him eligible by 11.0 -
stfc1 wrote:hopper1 wrote:
Did Giggs not play for England schoolboys?
Choosing Wales over England to make his father proud... :?
He played for England schoolboys because he went to an English school. He then played for Wales because he is Welsh.
Unfortunately for Wales he always seemed to suffer 'tight hamstrings' whenever they played a friendly, played at Cardiff, played one of the world's (other) lesser teams or indeed played anyone Giggs couldn't be ar$ed playing against.
Personally I can't remember a less likley winner of SPOTY.
Personally, although I expected Button to take the trophy it I think Jessica Ennis should have won.
She's Britain's first ever heptathlon world champion. Not only that she won with a personal best score (which was the third highest in the history of the sport and the highest score of the year).
To be a world champion in one sport takes tallent. To achieve the same across seven sports (two of those at a level which would have seen her qualify for the individual sport) is exceptional.
What makes it more impressive is that she had to change her take-off and jumping style from right to left handed (or possibly vice-versa) a little more than a year before she won.
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redddraggon wrote:Stewie Griffin wrote:Giggs would have qualified for England after living here for 5 years, just like Aluminum.
No he wouldn't, he'd been living in England since he was 6, so that would have made him eligible by 11.
Thats what I believe. He always said he would have chosen to play for Wales anyway.0 -
hopper1 wrote:Rooney's a bigger tw4t than Giggs!
Does he have a personality?
I doubt he'd have been able to string a sentence together, for a speech...
I'm not a Man Utd supporter, but Wayne Rooney is a great football player. Not so much of a tw4t, but a young bloke with a bit of a temper problem, which, in my opinion, Alex Fergusson has succeeded in tackling (he's much calmer now).
Both Wayne Rooney and Mark Cavendish are young blokes, the same age, same winner mentallity.0 -
MadammeMarie wrote:
Both Wayne Rooney and Mark Cavendish are young blokes, the same age, same winner mentallity.
except that one has a potato in place of a head......0 -
Ennis all the way for me - couldn't understand Giggs winning Welsh SPOTY last week or getting shortlisted. Cav achievements were fantastic but Jesse fits the personality part however you define it and to come back from a career threatening injury and disappointment of missing the Olympics with that performance was outstanding. Plus she's gorgeous 0
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redddraggon wrote:Stewie Griffin wrote:Giggs would have qualified for England after living here for 5 years, just like Aluminum.
No he wouldn't, he'd been living in England since he was 6, so that would have made him eligible by 11.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Carlo Cudicini (sp?), while Italian qualifies for England under the residency rules as he has never played for Italy at any level.
He recently broke his pelvis and both wrists in a motorbike accident.
Could still do a job for you though.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
