Wiggins leaves Garmin, Joins Sky for 2010-it's official!
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markwalker wrote:FJS wrote:So what can do Garmin with that substantial amount of cash? It's not like they have a guaranteed TdF entry with just Farrar and Vandevelde....
well they could invest in a proper doping program?
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Dave_1 wrote:I guess credit must be given to JV for signing Wiggins when he had few big wins on the road and so JV must be pretty good at spotting able riders-taking a gamble no others teams seemed to want to. JV seems a intelligent man with the bigger picture e.g. comments re lack of rules of transfers..
the guy is gaining stature in my book
you could follow the progression in the teams performances.. that was a joy to watch
worth the price of entry
riders like Fhrn Ryder and Farrarrarararararararar just watching these guys having a go again and again until you could see the belief appearing
sometimes the beauty of the sport is revealed in observations over time"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
iainf72 wrote:Garmin's reaction was interesting "Wiggins departure is not the outcome we hoped for"
And there's also been a few things about the UCI only recently confirming it. Sounds a bit awkward.
Hmm Sky aren't exactly making many friends are they!You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
mididoctors wrote:Dave_1 wrote:I guess credit must be given to JV for signing Wiggins when he had few big wins on the road and so JV must be pretty good at spotting able riders-taking a gamble no others teams seemed to want to. JV seems a intelligent man with the bigger picture e.g. comments re lack of rules of transfers..
the guy is gaining stature in my book
you could follow the progression in the teams performances.. that was a joy to watch
worth the price of entry
riders like Fhrn Ryder and Farrarrarararararararar just watching these guys having a go again and again until you could see the belief appearing
sometimes the beauty of the sport is revealed in observations over time
that is right...Farar has really emerged since joining Garmin, and there is Dan Martin too...who JV wisely perhaps kept away from grand tours in 2008 even though Martin had won a big event in the pyrenees pre TDF... I really didn't like the "Transitions" sales patter recently BUT Jonathan Vaughters has developed talents others have cherry picked...0 -
camerone wrote:MrChuck wrote:.Only he knows his motives, but I'd like to think it wasn't all about his bank balance- you can see why Sky would have a strong pull for him.
if the rumoured salary is even half correct then its obviously a major contibution in decision, as well as his links to BC. he's 29, 4 year contract at big bucks, happy days. anyone here not move jobs for triple salary in his situation?
Obviously his salary comes into it, but some people seemed to be suggesting he just goes where the money is and I don't think that's true. Like I said, I'd like to think it wasn't all about his bank balance.0 -
i think it helps the teams objective and makes them just look like they mean it a bit more with brad on board, as for lead out train for EBH, what about Swifty? and G for that matter reacon they could both put out a good sprint, i think we can exppect alot of good results form these guys in smaller races then the odd stage in the tour, not sure wiggins will do so well in the tour though, i can see armstrong being better than last year but still doubt anyone will have anything on contador and a schleck0
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I cant see what the fuss is here most if not all of us would move for a bigger salary and longer contract. Not got much time for BW but i can fully understand why he has moved.Gasping - but somehow still alive !0
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I think it's great news that Wiggo has signed for Sky. The team now has it's marquee signing that it needs to get into the Tour, but perhaps more importantly has a recognisable face to sell the team to the British public at large. In my eyes, having Bradley on board finally gives Team Sky it's British identity that it needs in a similar way to how USPS/Disco was very much from the USA with LA at the helm, but seemed slightly less so once he retired and AC became the leader.
For those who may not have seen the Sky interview(s) with the Twiggster....
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0 ... 65,00.htmlLet's close our eyes and see what happens0 -
and he was on the phone to simon mayo today as well:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_s ... 406399.stm0 -
Moray Gub wrote:I cant see what the fuss is here most if not all of us would move for a bigger salary and longer contract. Not got much time for BW but i can fully understand why he has moved.
As can I, but he did have a 2 year contract with no break clause and basically a sponsor which showed faith in him has been given a bit of a raw deal.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
For most of us, our contracts are different. Sometimes you might have a "no competition" contract meaning if you leave your employer, you can't start work with a rival during a fixed period of time.
The important thing is to ensure Slipstream Sports, the entity employing Wiggins, gets appropriate compensation. The publicity value of a GT contender is huge and Sky will have had to pay a lot, especially as Vaughters will have know Sky were desperate for a Tour start place and Wiggins is crucial for this.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Moray Gub wrote:I cant see what the fuss is here most if not all of us would move for a bigger salary and longer contract. Not got much time for BW but i can fully understand why he has moved.
As can I, but he did have a 2 year contract with no break clause and basically a sponsor which showed faith in him has been given a bit of a raw deal.
I agree with what you are saying but I also fully understand wiggo's motives and I must say I would do exactly the same and so would the self righteous posters on here. All this crap being spouted about loyalty, this is the same garmin trying to sign contador where is the loyalty there?
Some comments trying to depict JV as some kind of talent spotting saint who gave wiggo a contract out of the kindness of his own heart. Hell I thought he was jesus after reading some comments! Crap! JV employed him because he thought he could increase the value of his team and when it looked like something better might come along he would have jumped at the chance and who can blame him its business.
JV did not see brad as a GT GC contender he thought he might be able to challenge in smaller week long tours. Garmin did not turn brad into a GT rider either, british cycling and brad did. So what exactly has garmin done to deserve this loyalty? Paid him a wage? In return brad turned himself inside out for them. So thats that then.
Go on cycling news forum and you would think wiggo murders kids. They all say VDV would be leader of garmin anyway and is a far better rider, based on what?
Storm in a bloody teacup this!It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.0 -
wicked wrote:Garmin did not turn brad into a GT rider either, british cycling and brad did. So what exactly has garmin done to deserve this loyalty? Paid him a wage? In return brad turned himself inside out for them. So thats that then.
It boils down to he had a contract with no break clause. He doesn't owe them loyalty but he did sign a contract with the team. It would be like one of us being offered a new job and not doing our notice period.
It does show cycling needs a more formal transfer thing
The perception is Sky have behaved poorly - Or like a giant bully with a massive budget. I've got no problem with Wiggins going for more money - More power to him. I think I've said before though (and forgive me, I know I'm a tedious repeater of things) but if you were a team you'd think twice about employing a talented Brit if they're just going to be taken off you.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:wicked wrote:Garmin did not turn brad into a GT rider either, british cycling and brad did. So what exactly has garmin done to deserve this loyalty? Paid him a wage? In return brad turned himself inside out for them. So thats that then.
It boils down to he had a contract with no break clause. He doesn't owe them loyalty but he did sign a contract with the team. It would be like one of us being offered a new job and not doing our notice period.
It does show cycling needs a more formal transfer thing
The perception is Sky have behaved poorly - Or like a giant bully with a massive budget. I've got no problem with Wiggins going for more money - More power to him. I think I've said before though (and forgive me, I know I'm a tedious repeater of things) but if you were a team you'd think twice about employing a talented Brit if they're just going to be taken off you.
Yep agree +1. If I was offered a dream job it would be screw the notice period! The flip side to that though is I would be prepared to accept any consequences.
You are right about the image problem it may cause brit riders but I do believe that if you are good enough you will make it. I see sir lance is not getting all this hysteria and he joined a team against the leaders wishes, did his best to undermine the leader at every opportunity and then buggered off with the DS, riders (some under contract) bike and component sponsors, vehicles the lot! Where is all the hand wringing? A little perspective please people!It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.0 -
There was a lot of hysteria when Lance joined Astana.
I wonder if Doug Ellis will hold a grudge?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.0
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Can't wait for next season... I think its great news. i hope he has enough backing to challenge again next year. if anyone get him back into that form its the GB guys.
Who cares about Garmin, yeah he wasn't very gracious about the team which was a poor show on his part, but i'm sure they've done very nicely financially out of the deal. Now they can concentrate on VDV, and we have another team competing up there, i hope!0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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“All my Olympic success over the last three Olympics has been with the team of people who are going to be based here,” he said. “It is like coming home. The team that have working on all the different projects and things in the velodrome there [at British Cycling’s base in Manchester], are behind Team Sky. That’s right down to the logistics - the guys who are going to be arranging the flights for us to travel to races are all people I have worked with for the last twelve years.
“It is like coming home, and I just can’t wait to get into the new season.”
VelonationContador is the Greatest0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Vande Velde really comes across as a nice chap. I hope he trashes Wiggins in the Tour next year.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Wiggins came across quite well I thought on Sky Sports News this morning...0
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redddraggon wrote:I'm struggling to see what's so exciting about bradley wiggins going to sky
So you have a rider, who in his first season focusing on le Tour manages to come 4th against the best rider of the last 5 years in Contador, who is also a defending champion, one of the best climbers in Schleck and a legend Tour specialist in Armstrong.
You have a rider who is now with a management and support team who were instrumental with him being one of the most impressive world record breaking Olympic champions.
You have a rider in a team that has been hand picked for him to be their leader.
Now let's look at his competition.
Schleck is in a team which is in slight disarray, key riders leaving over the last 2 years and uncertain long term sponsorship issues.
Contador is in a team where the main lieutenant Vino will certainly not be invited to le Tour and perhaps ultimately will not (like Lance) feel comfortable riding truly for him.
He also has a rider Pereiro who was so depressed last season was a knat's hair from quitting cycling.
Lance, Levi, Kloden ... who is the leader???? Are any of them capable of winning. Yes they will have a superb team, management, '?' program but can any of these riders truly win?
Sastre ... is he really a true competitor or just a potential winner in a weakened field?
Menchov ... is Rabobank strong enough and does he feel comfortable 'pushing' in le Tour undder the eyes of ASO?
Evans ... with Hincapie as his lieutenant perhaps this really is finally his chance for Tour greatness but when it gets really really steep can he keep up?
What Brailsford has done to British track cycling is incredible, unbelieveable and the money now available far exceeds anythign he received as British Cycling tech director.
all thee 'young' cyclists have great potential and Contador became a great cyclist from a great youth cyclist at a similar young age so i see Wiggins team excelling in every field from crits, 1 days, GC etc...
Bring on 2010 Sky are going to set the bar for the next 10 yrs+0 -
Also I am amazed with the mixed response....
Are the majority of forumites here British? If so screw the competition ... Team Sky are doing what is necessary to build a competitive, exciting team ASAP. Supposedly they are also aiming to do this clean which as we all know from the podium rosters of the past 15 years is a MASSIVE disadvantage.
Play the mind games, disrupt the other teams, grab the cyclists you need, make the allegiances you must and win the race.... This is simple, we are in competitive sports not the kindergarden, the aim is to win because whether you like it or not, NO ONE remembers second place. Cliched yes but accurate.
As for Garmin .... Vaughters you are the biggest hypocrite in world cycling, at the start of Team Chipotle Slipstream the aim was to create a team which put competing above winning in an effort to remove the necessity of doping (to win). Once the money is slapped on the table from Garmin, Vaughter's principles crumble with his aim and desire to sign Alberto Contadope.0 -
plectrum wrote:Play the mind games, disrupt the other teams, grab the cyclists you need, make the allegiances you must and win the race.... This is simple, we are in competitive sports not the kindergarden, the aim is to win because whether you like it or not, NO ONE remembers second place. Cliched yes but accurate.
Do you think Garmin, Katusha and Columbia are going to be in a rush to form an allegiance with Sky anytime soon?
The issue for most people is around how Sky went about this - Not whether Bradleeee switched teams. While a "British" team might be interesting for casual fans, I'm sure most seasoned British fans value having competative riders regardless of which team they're on.
As for your point about Garmin / Sky talking clean - I think you'll find a significantly larger portion of hypocrits in the Sky camp.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
plectrum wrote:Also I am amazed with the mixed response....
Are the majority of forumites here British? If so screw the competition ... Team Sky are doing what is necessary to build a competitive, exciting team ASAP. Supposedly they are also aiming to do this clean which as we all know from the podium rosters of the past 15 years is a MASSIVE disadvantage.
Garmin appear to be trying just as hard for clean victoriesPlay the mind games, disrupt the other teams, grab the cyclists you need, make the allegiances you must and win the race.... This is simple, we are in competitive sports not the kindergarden, the aim is to win because whether you like it or not, NO ONE remembers second place. Cliched yes but accurate.
Raymond Poulidor? Fairly sure lots of people remember him! Cliched and inaccurate! Furthermore cycling is a sport unlike any other, and unless you have a team like USPS, who were all mighty, you're going to have to make alliances with other teams if you want to win.As for Garmin .... Vaughters you are the biggest hypocrite in world cycling, at the start of Team Chipotle Slipstream the aim was to create a team which put competing above winning in an effort to remove the necessity of doping (to win). Once the money is slapped on the table from Garmin, Vaughter's principles crumble with his aim and desire to sign Alberto Contadope.
Proof? or did you think Contadope had a nice ring to it and therefore had to have a grain of truth to it?You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Your "analysis" sucks. Your reasons for dismissing so readily all the competition are feeble and don't seem to be based upon any particular knowledge of the sport. Are you some kind of Sky spokesthing? That's the most likely explanation for your hyperbole given that it matches up with the "most exciting team since Mapei" drivel.plectrum wrote:redddraggon wrote:I'm struggling to see what's so exciting about bradley wiggins going to sky
So you have a rider......
Schleck.......Contador.... Lance, Levi, Kloden ... ...Sastre ...Menchov ...Evans ...
Bring on 2010 Sky are going to set the bar for the next 10 yrs+0 -
One of the reasons I like cycling (as opposed to team sports) is because in the UK at least it's free of all the jingoistic nonsense you get elsewhere.
I'm sorry but if its Gilbert v Gerrans in a two-up sprint atop the Huy, I know where my vote is going.
And its fking Murdoch*
*although I fully realise the inconsistency re. big Pharma corp here.___________________
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