Compulsory swine flu vaccination?

1footedninja

ummm... relevant? errrr no.

jimmypippa

daviesee wrote:

My wife is an NHS community nurse and she has refused to take it.

For the past 10 years I have deliberately doing the opposite of Government advice and every reversal has worked out for the better :twisted:

Why the panic over swine flu when the general flu has been the cause of more fatalities?

Too many people conuse the flu with the common cold :evil:

Sympathies to those who have genuinely had either the general flu or swine flu.

Maybe for some advice, but surely not all, unless you smoke heavily and don't do regular exercise.

In any debate about vaccines there is obviously a risk of the vaccine to be balanced against the risk of the illness that it is protecting against, combined with the level of protection that it affords.

I'd have thought that in a population that is exposed to heavily infectious people, and exposed to vulnerable patients, it would make sense to take the vaccine.

1footedninja

What could also be mentioned here is where and with whom does the culpability lay and who is 'to take the rap', if, for example, a vulnerable patient was to be inflicted with something of a more serious nature or even die from taking a vaccine that they believe is ok , well and good for them.

And what, if it is found, that those who 'are in the know' in regards to this matter have 'withheld' or 'dismissed' information in regards to that. Or, and this would be an horrific scenario, if there was other nefarious reasoning behind it all such as Bio-terrorism and the use of Fear to create widespread panic.

Who becomes accountable? and how do we go about making those 'accountable' face up to their, for want of a better word 'Fait accompli' or even 'crime' . On something a huge of scale as 'mass vaccination' there has to be questions asked both at the top and the bottom of the scale of accountability.

http://www.becomehealthynow.com/article/bodyimmune/1142

As a population we are heavily exposed to television. Does that mean everyone should go out and get a television because everyone is doing it and have it? Television afterall has seriously negative as well as positive side effects upon the human mind. There are many studies out there to either prove or disprove this statement.

You just have to watch live snooker on the television , tune in to all the coughing going on in the background and before you know it your coughing yourself.

Seanos

1footedninja wrote:

What could also be mentioned here is...etc etc

Strange. You're getting lots of writing practice but you're not getting any better at it.

1footedninja

In reply to Seanos:

jimmypippa

Some facts from New Scientist:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18014-swine-flu-myth-the-vaccine-isnt-safe--it-has-been-rushed-through-tests-and-the-last-time-there-was-a-swine-flu-scare-the-vaccine-hurt-people-why-take-the-risk-to-prevent-mild-flu.html

The 1976 vaccine caused around 10 cases per million vaccinated. Even ordinary flu vaccines, however, are thought to cause one extra case of Guillain-Barré per million, in addition to the 10 to 20 per million who get Guillain-Barré some other way every year.

Does this mean it is safer not getting vaccinated? Absolutely not. First, there is the risk of swine flu killing you. Second, what few people know is that flu itself is far more likely to cause Guillain-Barré than any flu vaccine.

A 2009 studyfound that out of every million people who get flu, between 40 and 70 develop Guillain-Barré. So your best chance of avoiding Guillain-Barré is to get vaccinated, a conclusion backed by a 2007 study.

and this:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18063-timeline-the-secret-history-of-swine-flu.html?full=true

1976

An H1N1 virus jumps from pigs to humans and kills a US army recruit. However the virus does not spread beyond the army base and fizzles out without triggering a pandemic.

Nevertheless, fears of a replay of the 1918 pandemic lead to 48 million people being hastily vaccinated against the swine flu virus. The vaccine is associated with an unusual number of cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome: 532 people get it, and 25 die.

Vaccination looks better than flu.

or as my first link puts it:

The odds

The risk of getting Guillain-Barré from a flu vaccine is almost certainly less than 1 in a million; the risk of getting it from flu itself is more than 40 in a million. Swine flu is estimated to have killed 800 people in the US already, or more than 2 in every million so far. And during the first wave of swine flu this summer, 1 out of every 20,000 children aged 4 or under in the US ended up in hospital.

Still think it's safer not to get vaccinated?

Anonymous

Gotte wrote:

I was on Mumsnet recently (Don;t ask why, I try not to), and with regards the swine flu jab, there were people there citing David Icke as a credible authoity as to why not to have the jab.
Now that is scary.

Here's the link. Check out the images. Makes the Daily Sport look like the Readers' Digest.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/25191

Bonkers.

I love nutters.

jimmypippa

dmclite wrote:

Gotte wrote:

I was on Mumsnet recently (Don;t ask why, I try not to), and with regards the swine flu jab, there were people there citing David Icke as a credible authoity as to why not to have the jab.
Now that is scary.

Here's the link. Check out the images. Makes the Daily Sport look like the Readers' Digest.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/25191

Bonkers.

I love nutters.

Have you come across the Time Cube?



That is a link to the wiki article about it because...

Well If you have visited that website, then you'd understand...

Anonymous

Yeah years ago, Gene Ray and his God is queer etc, mental.

1footedninja

That Gene Ray comes across as a right oddball.

Then again everyone does to me. I may not be the sanest chip off the block myself but then I'm not the insanest either.

He comes across as misguided. As misguided as a heat-seeking missile aimed at Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussain or even the Pope.

Thank god we have sane people in our governance who being all good Christians seek to aid humanity and right all wrongs.

Thank the lord for Gordon Brown. He serves his masters well.

and here's something Swine fluish just to make it relevant :
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-gods-latest-punishment-of-idol-worship/

Amen. Three hail Marys and an Absalom.

daviesee

jimmypippa wrote:

daviesee wrote:

My wife is an NHS community nurse and she has refused to take it.

For the past 10 years I have deliberately doing the opposite of Government advice and every reversal has worked out for the better :twisted:

Why the panic over swine flu when the general flu has been the cause of more fatalities?

Too many people conuse the flu with the common cold :evil:

Sympathies to those who have genuinely had either the general flu or swine flu.

Maybe for some advice, but surely not all, unless you smoke heavily and don't do regular exercise.



In any debate about vaccines there is obviously a risk of the vaccine to be balanced against the risk of the illness that it is protecting against, combined with the level of protection that it affords.

I'd have thought that in a population that is exposed to heavily infectious people, and exposed to vulnerable patients, it would make sense to take the vaccine.

Well, I made the decision not to smoke when the Government was perfectly happy with the idea of smoking and collecting the taxes. I also made the decision to exercise before the Government decided to promote healthy ideas. And, I am still not convinced by their conviction on that either. They are saying a lot and doing very little. In my opinion they would be much happier if we became vegetables watching the goggle box, getting propaganda and die nicely of a heart attack on the day of retirement :evil:
I still drive against their wishes.
I still drink against their advice.
I sold my house and downsized when they were pushing house purchases, nice profit :P
With that money, I could buy shares when the market crashed due to a crisis that I have been predicting for 10 years. The Government say no one saw it coming? Nonsense!

There are hundreds, if not thousands of infections and I am not taking vaccines for those

Please note that I am not against vaccines per say, just the Government. I don't trust them, think they are incompetent and overall useless. That applies to all parties

And don't get me started on how the Government seem to think that collecting taxes (revenue) will save the planet :roll:

Pross

dmclite wrote:

Gotte wrote:

I was on Mumsnet recently (Don;t ask why, I try not to), and with regards the swine flu jab, there were people there citing David Icke as a credible authoity as to why not to have the jab.
Now that is scary.

Here's the link. Check out the images. Makes the Daily Sport look like the Readers' Digest.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/25191

Bonkers.

I love nutters.

You ought to start dating 1FootedNinja then!

1footedninja

Pross wrote:

You ought to start dating 1FootedNinja then!

Not tonight darling, I'm washing my hair. And the ring on my finger kind of tells me I'm erm... married. Sorry to let you down Pross. There be plenty more nutters out there for yourself.

And something swineflu related:
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/04April/pages/swineflulatest.aspx

Mothyman

this thread must be dwindling out ....everyone seems to be agreeing with each other or agreeing to disagree...

1footedninja

I blame it on those cyclists, always causing trouble that lot, rabble that they are!



http://cyclingpigs.com/

The swines!

dsmiff

We both had the vaccine (seasonal and swine) today - still alive!

I did do a bit more research (avoiding the daily mail type crap) after reading this so now feel a bit more informed!

No side effects -VOTE BLAIR FOR PRESIDENT - yet.




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