Compact vs. Standard

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  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    Ok you want some little proof...

    Firstly, if you're going to quote someone you should provide a reference. For all we know you could just have made that up. If you were to quote some papers from a decent journal then people might start taking notice of what you are trying to say. Possible, but unlikely.

    Secondly, you're talking crap.
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  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    FOAD wrote:
    Only pumping iron will give you a big heart.....lol....body builders are the most unfit athletes out there at pro level (possibly excluding sumo?), death waiting to happen.

    I didn't say just lifting weights solely. I said combined with exercise as well. Not to mention a good diet and healthy lifestyle.

    Let me guess - organic food? :wink:
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  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    Why would i make it up??? I remember reading about long time ago that is why i mentioned it. All i was suggesting was for older cyclists to take care. How is that crap advice?

    You can take advice or ignore it. I am just quoting what was said. For every pro argument you will always find a counter argument such is the way. Unless you into science, you don't see the light.

    At the end of the day you ride what you want. Everybody has individual tastes, live in different terrain and have personal requirements.

    I wasn't recommeding a standard compact 50/34 i was recommending a 52/36 so you have big gears as well.! You probably outgrow the 50/34. A 10 spd cassette coupled with the 11-25 means the gear ratios will be close together in ranges you will use. I am not saying it will suit everybody. I am saying its top damn good combination to have if you live in hilly/flat areas.

    Who's going to tell me 52/11 isn't big enough? Nobody

    If you got the big gears for the flats, downhill and the small gears for higher cadence up the hills then thats an advantage. If you can't see that then that's your problem. I suggested the best combination to keep the ratios tighter as well. I tried to help. Sorry.
  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    Quoting who exactly?
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  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    Ok i spell it out. Bad diet, smoking, high cholestrol etc. contributes to poor heart health. Now you might be unaware you heart is unhealthy. Now when you go uphill in a higher gear that puts a bigger strain on the heart. That is when the heart is put to the test. You could be doing lots of healthy cycling but living a poor lifestyle bad diet. Why put the heart in that situation if your an older cyclist? I just suggested a higher cadence in a easier gear so you not put it under so much strain especially if it unhealthy.
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    Pross wrote:
    Plenty of body builders die of heart problems

    You could say the same thing about runners. Body builders die more from eating artificial protein powders(sick cows), overdosing, creatine etc that is very bad for the kidneys and contributes to all round bad health. If they ate natural protein like from eggs, beans they be better off.
  • Biles
    Biles Posts: 40
    I think 70% of the replys are from sasquatch. Is he arguing with him(her)self? :lol:
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    The reason pro riders are obsessed with big chainrings is because they need to madly sprint. Do you?

    Well you can do all with a COMPACT la la la

    If you training to get to that level and live in hilly area then COMPACTS win. :D

    Push giant chainrings and let's see how you are in 20 years.

    Next.
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    Ok i spell it out. Bad diet, smoking, high cholestrol etc. contributes to poor heart health.... .

    No sh1t Sherlock.

    How is this in any way related to the OPs question about compact cranksets?


    This isn't a fact, it is mere supposition on my part, but I imagine many, many more people die of heart attacks because they don't do any form of exercise, than those who have heart attacks brought on by exercise.

    I know nothing about my cardiac health other than I am relatively fit for a 52 year old, and I do not suffer from angina. My blood pressure and resting heart rate are pleasingly low, and I have never smoked.
    I do know that my blood triglyceride profile is far from ideal, and that is in spite of a good diet and regular exercise. It's monitored annually and the doc is still deciding whether or not to prescribe fibrates. Both my parents had heart attacks, but neither prematurely. My mother was a sedentary 40 a day smoker and her second attack was fatal. My father was a very fit non smoker and into his 80's before his heart attack, which he fortunately survived and lived for another 10 years

    Armed with this mixture of knowledge and ignorance, I would rather be in the group who risk death cycling up hills rather than the group who risk death on the toilet while smoking the first cigarette of the day.
  • t4rmac
    t4rmac Posts: 23
    A quote isn't a quote if you don't cite the source. You can't just make stuff up, put it in a quote and then call it science. Well unless you make shampoo. :lol: [/quote]
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    Because Sherlock Junior, you can be doing great exercise but pay no attention to your diet. Even if you do pay attention to you diet it doesn't mean your eating healthy due to so much disinformation. I am suggesting to look after your heart as going up a hill hard puts strain on it more.

    The OP had already said thank you to all the comments and there is enough significant info in the first page about compacts, so i see no harm in talking about things slightly related. Anyways I am not the one responsible for going off topic. I answered a few related comments.

    It just common sense to ride an easier gear if you older.

    Stay on the topic of standards and compacts :)
  • DVV
    DVV Posts: 126
    The worst thing is, I have been debating with this guy because I disagree with some of the things he has said, but I am not even remotely sure what his point is.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I just pity the guy who asked the opening question!
    Standard chainsets don't make you pedal higher gears, so although it might be an interesting arguement it's got very little to do with compacts v standard.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    Relax the OP has been taken care of.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,579
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    The reason pro riders are obsessed with big chainrings is because they need to madly sprint. Do you?
    Only 15-20 riders will actually contest a sprint at the end of a pro race. Why don't the other hundred or riders ride compacts?
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    Ok if all my advice is bogus let's ask the OP if he be getting a compact or not. Just because i didn't go into elaborate detail on everything you write it off.
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    trouble is we are bombarded with pseudo-science all the time, especially as you say from manufacturers of shampoo, cosmetics, and anything aimed at triathletes.
    So many people accept as fact whatever they see on tv or read in newspapers and magazines, and so much of it is the result of appalling tabloid reporting of scientific findings / studies, often arriving at conclusions unsupported by the facts.
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    Ok follow the crowd and get a standard. Several have knocked me then said they got a compact. lol

    What parts do you have issue with?
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    andyp wrote:
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    The reason pro riders are obsessed with big chainrings is because they need to madly sprint. Do you?
    Only 15-20 riders will actually contest a sprint at the end of a pro race. Why don't the other hundred or riders ride compacts?

    Because they havent trained for higher cadence! It takes dedicated training. To beat peloton riders they would have to use very high cadence to match the speed of bigger rings. So they just improve on what they got. Several riders do ride compacts in fact.

    Racing and enthusiast.pleasure cycling are 2 different things.
  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    Ok if all my advice is bogus let's ask the OP if he be getting a compact or not. Just because i didn't go into elaborate detail on everything you write it off.

    He may have decided to go for a compact so he can cycle up hills that he struggles up on a double. I doubt your babbling about the alleged effect of double chainsets on the heart if you're over 30 (!) has influenced him.

    You're clearly not a medical expert and have failed to reference any of the claims you make (because you can't?) so I for one won't be worrying about my heart next time I choose to cycle up a hill with a double chainset.

    More and more I'm thinking you're just a simple troll.

    :roll:
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  • ride_whenever
    ride_whenever Posts: 13,279
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    as going up a hill hard puts strain on it more.

    How does a hill magically make it harder on your heart. If you put out a reasonably consistent power in any one cadence, then you change gears and go faster down hills and on the flats then slower up the hills. You heartrate stays pretty constant.

    Try riding a singlespeed, one cadence, one speed, every change in gradient is basically interval training.
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  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    Btw I often ride up big hills on fixed. My poor heart....
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  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    Why you getting obsessed with older cyclists and not on compacts?
    I digressed abit on the other subjects, but on the subject of compacts it is sound advice.
    I was just explaining how with compact it can give you advantages to become better cyclist.
    Good compact advice and very entertaining this thread has been to all.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,579
    More entertaining than you'd think. :lol:
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    edited October 2009
    All i see is you knocking compacts, without giving good explanation of how a standard is much better. So that is more likely to confuse the OP and very unhelpful.

    I gave good advice backed up by science on how compacts are good for beginners, hills up and down, flats, pro's and more. It's not rocket science. What have you done lately other than slag me off?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,579
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    Because they havent trained for higher cadence! It takes dedicated training. To beat peloton riders they would have to use very high cadence to match the speed of bigger rings. So they just improve on what they got. Several riders do ride compacts in fact.

    Racing and enthusiast.pleasure cycling are 2 different things.
    You said on page 1 that by having a compact you could beat the pros. Know your saying you can't. Which is it?

    Also, please name the several riders who do ride compacts regularly (and I'll preclude anyone who fits one for one off stages like the Angliru and Monte Zoncolan type stages that GT organisers like to throw in every now and again.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,579
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    All i see is you knocking compacts, without giving good explanation of how a standard is much better. So that is more likely to confuse the OP and very unhelpful.

    I gave good advice backed up by science on how compacts are good for beginners, hills, flats pro's and more. What have you done lately other than slag me off?
    Please show me the scientific evidence and the sources you got it from. Thanks.
  • giantsasquatch
    giantsasquatch Posts: 381
    Do you need a lesson in gear inches? You obviously don't grasp the basics.
  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    Do you need a lesson in gear inches? You obviously don't grasp the basics.

    Have you ever ridden a bike?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,579
    giantsasquatch wrote:
    Do you need a lesson in gear inches? You obviously don't grasp the basics.
    No thanks. I've a very firm grasp of the basics thanks and have been a long term advocate of compacts on this forum, having first fitted one back in 2001 long before the likes of Campagnolo and Shimano even offered them.

    However, I'll not make claims based on them using unsourced quotes or try and dress up mumbo jumbo as science. That's where we differ I think.

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