Teenager vs Bin

suzyb

UndercoverElephant wrote:

2) They have nothing to do. Every open space has a little sign saying, "No ball games"

It was exactly the same when I was younger. The kids still ignore the same no ball games signs I did when I was their age. In fact here there is actually more to do for local teens than there was when I was young.

Yet there is more "delinquency" in the area than ever before.

redvee

KnightofCydonia wrote:

put him into a trolley & pushed it out into the road

Can't really do that in the Tescos in Golden Hill though you could have pushd him across the carpark to the cricket field. The kids were in the back of the queue for sense and brains on the manor farm estate as their actions today showed. Fair play on your actions GTV, hopefully this might make them think before they try and do anything like this again. Wilma could have been the companion of an OAP with more serios consequences for their actions.

White Line

Well done GTV!

You make people who miss the way things used to be proud!

gtvlusso

Wilma is fine - she is being a bit of a sh1tbag as she has had too much attention now!

Feel a bit miffed at the security guard as it is all Tesco land and a Tesco car park, ultimately the altercation happened in the entrance way to the store.....in his view and on CCTV.

DonDaddyD

GTV

You's Gangsta Yo!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEuQowyUMFk
GTV - is the guy in the suit....

dodgy

I doubt if I could control myself if I saw someone kick my dog.

fossyant

Well done - very restrained I'd say.......

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

Wilma is fine - she is being a bit of a sh1tbag as she has had too much attention now!

Feel a bit miffed at the security guard as it is all Tesco land and a Tesco car park, ultimately the altercation happened in the entrance way to the store.....in his view and on CCTV.

Yes, but as has been mentioned before he is employed to protect Tesco, not dogs left by their customers.

Tescos is a supermarket chain, not a pet minding service.

Why should Tescos be minding your dog for you? You chose to leave your dog there after chosing to take it to the store.

Tescos are not responsible for the actions of the local (ferral?) youths. Tescos has no duty to protect your pets

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None of the above should be taken to imply that I in any way condone any of the violence used by any party against any other party.

spen666

BTW?


Have you had any visdit from the OB yet? Wouldn't suprise me if youth made a complaint of assault.

Might be worth contacting Tescos for a copy of the tape of the incident ( Data Protection Act or FOI may assist?) so that if matter is complained about you have the evidence to back up your allegation- whilst it might show you assaulting the youth- after policearrest or threaten to arrest him, he is unlikely to want to pursue his complaint.

If you are arrested- DO NOT admit what you say on here. The police can proceed with the complaint on your admissions even if youth woithdraw's his complaint

[For the purposes of the above, I am assuming what you ssaid in first post is correct- if it is not correct, then the advice given here should not be used!]

I don't think police will be too sympathetic to him if they know what happened.

Greg T

spen666 wrote:

The police can proceed with the complaint on your admissions

I am Lord Lucan - and yes I did kill the Nanny!

You'll never take me alive coppers.

Should I expect a knock on the doors of DunTraining anytime soon?

suzyb

spen666 wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

Wilma is fine - she is being a bit of a sh1tbag as she has had too much attention now!

Feel a bit miffed at the security guard as it is all Tesco land and a Tesco car park, ultimately the altercation happened in the entrance way to the store.....in his view and on CCTV.

Yes, but as has been mentioned before he is employed to protect Tesco, not dogs left by their customers.

Tescos is a supermarket chain, not a pet minding service.

Why should Tescos be minding your dog for you? You chose to leave your dog there after chosing to take it to the store.

Tescos are not responsible for the actions of the local (ferral?) youths. Tescos has no duty to protect your pets

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None of the above should be taken to imply that I in any way condone any of the violence used by any party against any other party.

Even though Tesco are not responsible I would assume they wouldn't take too kindly to the local riff raff hanging around their store as it may put people off shopping there. Especially if they think they or their pets may be assaulted.

So while technically it is not their responsibility it is surprising they just let it happen.

gtvlusso

I guess they are responsible for the safety of people and their "posessions" on their turf.....They would probably want to discourage poor behaviour in public view in their store entranceway.

gtvlusso

I would also hazard a guess that the rozzas, don't know my name, number or anything about me - possibility of cctv, but who gives a frig. Teen would have more trouble living it down with his mates that an old bloke put him in a bin upside down...I bet Mum and Dad would not be impressed either.....after clear footage of a dog being kicked!

CiB

gtvlusso wrote:

I guess they are responsible for the safety of people and their "posessions" on their turf.....They would probably want to discourage poor behaviour in public view in their store entranceway.

Au contraire, Tesco and their ilk go to great pains to establish that they are not responsible for loss or damage to property on their premises, over & above any requirements in place for them to ensure that they don't put the health & safety of their customers at risk.

The security guard is a red herring; he may well have left himself open to internal disciplinary proceedings had he left his job of guarding the tabloid newspapers & sandwiches. Regardless it's certainly not for him to intervene. That might seem amoral but these days that how this country works.

gtvlusso

ChrisInBicester wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

I guess they are responsible for the safety of people and their "posessions" on their turf.....They would probably want to discourage poor behaviour in public view in their store entranceway.

Au contraire, Tesco and their ilk go to great pains to establish that they are not responsible for loss or damage to property on their premises, over & above any requirements in place for them to ensure that they don't put the health & safety of their customers at risk.

The security guard is a red herring; he may well have left himself open to internal disciplinary proceedings had he left his job of guarding the tabloid newspapers & sandwiches. Regardless it's certainly not for him to intervene. That might seem amoral but these days that how this country works.

Yes, I guess so - be interesting to see what would happen if you were assaulted or robbed in store and Tesco did nothing........

CiB

Were you to be assaulted or robbed in Tesco or any other major retailer, I'd expect no-one to lift a finger, other than to sidestep the incident.

Tesco et al would only intervene if their own property were under threat, or if in not doing so they could be shown to have contributed to a serious attack by omission - failing to prevent said attack. Get robbed in Tesco and that's your hard luck ultimately. Anyone stepping in to assist does so with the status of an ordinary citizen and as such leaves themselves open to counter-accusation of assault by the original perpetrator.

It's a mess this country, but everyone and their dog knows their rights; i's not worth it in the end to step in in the majority of cases.

** This is all personal opinion. **

edit - just clicked on the Wilma link. That's our old dog, from the late 70s. We called him Shep back then. Don't blame you for being a bit put out at some oik kicking her.

cee

i read an interesting thing about something like this in the states....where people were being mugged on their way back to their cars after shopping at walmart.....

my recollection is vague....but i think it resulted in walmart being held responsible for the safety of people on their property...and ended up having security guards patrolling the car park on golf buggies.....

DonDaddyD

spen666 wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

Wilma is fine - she is being a bit of a sh1tbag as she has had too much attention now!

Feel a bit miffed at the security guard as it is all Tesco land and a Tesco car park, ultimately the altercation happened in the entrance way to the store.....in his view and on CCTV.

Yes, but as has been mentioned before he is employed to protect Tesco, not dogs left by their customers.

Tescos is a supermarket chain, not a pet minding service.

Why should Tescos be minding your dog for you? You chose to leave your dog there after chosing to take it to the store.

Tescos are not responsible for the actions of the local (ferral?) youths. Tescos has no duty to protect your pets

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None of the above should be taken to imply that I in any way condone any of the violence used by any party against any other party.

Spen666, setting the absolute letter of the law aside for the moment....

It's that "look the other way" "not my job" and "nothing to do with me" attitude that allows others to take the p*ss frankly. The security guard should have at least said something.

Is someone actually going to tell me that had it been a person the kids abused the security guard wouldn't be required to (or bystanders wouldn't have) said anything to stop the teenagers?

I saw some kids messing about with the lock bikes near mine the other day, one of the bikes (a single speed) had been unlocked. I was down there in an instant, 60secs later kids had moved on (probably to get their uzi and Dogo Argentino....)

davmaggs

It seems to be a standard response when someone tells a tale on the forum to suggest that they rush off and get the CCTV, and yet we never hear anyone post that CCTV won them the case.

In the majority of cases you'd have to pursuade a bureaucracy to bother to go through the process to find your footage, then actually give it to you, and finally convince the Police to actually use it.

Could we have a forum moratorium on CCTV being suggested?

PS: link to story about CCTV and the recent Met study
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/6083476/CCTV-cameras-If-they-do-not-stop-crime-or-catch-criminals-what-are-they-for.html[/url]

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

I guess they are responsible for the safety of people and their "posessions" on their turf.....They would probably want to discourage poor behaviour in public view in their store entranceway.

Tesco are not responsible for the safety of you or your possessions vis a vis 3rd parties.

They are liable for your safety and your possessions vis a vis their own actions

Stuey01

spen666 wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

I guess they are responsible for the safety of people and their "posessions" on their turf.....They would probably want to discourage poor behaviour in public view in their store entranceway.

Tesco are not responsible for the safety of you or your possessions vis a vis 3rd parties.

They are liable for your safety and your possessions vis a vis their own actions

It's David Brent!

spen666

DonDaddyD wrote:

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Spen666, setting the absolute letter of the law aside for the moment....

It's that "look the other way" "not my job" and "nothing to do with me" attitude that allows others to take the p*ss frankly. The security guard should have at least said something.

Is someone actually going to tell me that had it been a person the kids abused the security guard wouldn't be required to (or bystanders wouldn't have) said anything to stop the teenagers?

I saw some kids messing about with the lock bikes near mine the other day, one of the bikes (a single speed) had been unlocked. I was down there in an instant, 60secs later kids had moved on (probably to get their uzi and Dogo Argentino....)

You seem to want me to put aside the law and then talk about people being "required" to do things.

There is generally no obligation to do things in this country. Most criminal legislation is framed as you must not do something rather than a positive duty.

As Chris said earlier- if security guard intervenes he is doing so as a private citizen and is leaving himself open to accusations by other party.

i can understand security guard not putting his employment and liberty at risk for the sake of a dog someone left tied up outside a shop

simple_salmon

This makes me so sad, it really does. What on earth have we become?

iclestu

What an awful tale. Glad the little gal's milking it for extra attention tho! Quite right Wilma!

hmm - id suggest NOT trying to bring any CCTV footage to light.

Ultimately in the eyes of the law GTV's actions amount to assault. The same footage that could get the youth a 'telling off' for cruelty to animals could get GTV in a whole heap more bother.

It's either one or the other. either act legally, report them & hope that by some miracle they get brought to justice OR quietly dispense your own & hope the little gits $hit themselves and dont have the temerity to try and get you into any bother. Don't think there is a middle ground here.

gtvlusso

What a sad country we live in - kill all lawyers I say ;-)

The RSPCA know good publicity and I am sure they would come on board should such legal action take place.....Figured that on Tesco property they would want to been seen to keep their customers safe, I have often seen the old bill up there carting off drunk teens....with the aid of the security guard.

I was hoping that Wilma would have MTFU'd and bit said teens d*ck off......but she is clearly a class above that kind of behaviour...