Teenager vs Bin

TommyEss

Wallace1492 wrote:

"Come to Tesco's we let your dog get beaten up outside and do nothing!" Doesn't sound good does it?

"Tesco - Every little yelps..."

the_hundredth_idiot

Good effort. Hopefully the little toe rag will think twice before doing something like that again.

I'm always careful about leaving my dog tied up outside a shop - but that's more because of fears of dognapping than physical abuse.

nigeve

Top Man, well done...

It’s because these little Willy Boys have no one to answer to that they think they can get away with anything they want… Well last night they had to answer to you.
I think there is a general feeling amongst the public and to a degree the courts, that PC has to give way to common sense.
I believe that there is criticism to be levelled at Tesco security. Anyone in uniform is there to help. (Even traffic wardens are supposed to help advise on parking…). Officially his job is to help and reassure customers. I wasn’t there but it sounds like he did neither… If he had been doing his job he would have moved them on before anything happened.
It doesn’t take much to dissolve the sugar cubes these louts use as pedestals…

fenboy369

TommyEss wrote:

Wallace1492 wrote:

"Come to Tesco's we let your dog get beaten up outside and do nothing!" Doesn't sound good does it?

"Tesco - Every little yelps..."

rofpmsl!!!

TommyEss

I tried it once with my old greyhound outside the post office (they're not the brightest dogs at the best of times, and Paddy was probably in the 10th percentile for greyhounds...)

Anyway, tied him up, explained where I was going, turned to the door, turned back, to see Paddy step into the road to try and get off the lead...

Muppet... in the end I had to get a kid to hold him for me (don't think it was the same kid you put in the bin, mind...)

biondino

nigeve wrote:

(Even traffic wardens are supposed to help advise on parking…)

They do - or they have with me several times. They also advised me I could leave my car on a yellow line for 5 minutes before they were allowed to ticket me. No idea if that's true, but I went and bought my coffee and came out 4 minutes later and all was fine.

TommyEss wrote:

I tried it once with my old greyhound outside the post office (they're not the brightest dogs at the best of times, and Paddy was probably in the 10th percentile for greyhounds...)

Anyway, tied him up, explained where I was going

He may not be the brightest but he speaks human, don't underrate that quality in a dog.

jairaj

Personally I think any member of the public should've done something in that situation, regardless of their profession.

In a public place with many people about I would jump in and confront the guys. If it happened in a remote place and there was a chance of me being left stranded and hurt then maybe not. But in public places with witnesses etc I usually try and do something about it.

UndercoverElephant

Three things wrong with teenagers in this country:

1) They are vilified and daemonised by every section of society.
2) They have nothing to do. Every open space has a little sign saying, "No ball games"
3) So few people actually do anything to stop them when they are out of line.

The kids outside Gtv's Tesco were certainly out of line, well done to him for adhering to #3. Most of the kids I meet today are a lot better behaved than I was at their age, and I wasn't one of the bad 'uns. But for some reason most of my generation have forgotten what they were. The kids are alright, in my opinion.

TommyEss

UndercoverElephant wrote:

The kids are alright, in my opinion.

Well said Mr Daltrey!

posh_pedaller

GTV, I would like to be able to say 'should've called the police and dealt with it responsibly' etc etc but in all honesty I think we all know what little effect that would have likely had and also I for one wouldn't have been at all level-headed in that situation. You showed remarkable self control in doing what you did - i.e. humiliating the little c**t rather than just lamping him.
Incidentally, what did you do next? Just walk off with the dog?

UndercoverElephant wrote:

Three things wrong with teenagers in this country:

1) They are vilified and daemonised by every section of society.
2) They have nothing to do. Every open space has a little sign saying, "No ball games"
3) So few people actually do anything to stop them when they are out of line.

+1. I'm a believer in both carrot and stick.

georgee

yes, good thinking with the stick, a bloody great big one with a couple of nails through it.

Bikequin

UndercoverElephant wrote:

Three things wrong with teenagers in this country:

1) They are vilified and daemonised by every section of society.
2) They have nothing to do. Every open space has a little sign saying, "No ball games"
3) So few people actually do anything to stop them when they are out of line.

The kids outside Gtv's Tesco were certainly out of line, well done to him for adhering to #3. Most of the kids I meet today are a lot better behaved than I was at their age, and I wasn't one of the bad 'uns. But for some reason most of my generation have forgotten what they were. The kids are alright, in my opinion.

I'm sorry I have to take issue with point number 2, it gets brought up everytime there is a debate in this country about anti-social behaviour and its simply not true. Theres plenty for kids to do in this country, its just that most of them can't be @rsed.

If they want to play sport then theres hundreds of clubs for them to join whether it be football, rugby or any other sport. Or alternatively there are plenty of arts based projects for them join in with. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. The reality is that unless it delivered on a plate then a lot of kids aren't interested.

Roastie

UndercoverElephant wrote:

The kids are alright, in my opinion.

I agree with much of what you say.

I reckon teenagers are like RLJers - a small number give the whole a bad rep.

UndercoverElephant

Bikequin wrote:

I'm sorry I have to take issue with point number 2, it gets brought up everytime there is a debate in this country about anti-social behaviour and its simply not true. Theres plenty for kids to do in this country, its just that most of them can't be @rsed.

If they want to play sport then theres hundreds of clubs for them to join whether it be football, rugby or any other sport. Or alternatively there are plenty of arts based projects for them join in with. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. The reality is that unless it delivered on a plate then a lot of kids aren't interested.

Taking part in an organised club is somewhat different, in my opinion, to just having something to do with your mates. It makes it rigid, "Every Tuesday Evening I'll do this", is completely different to, "lets go to the play area and have a kick about".

taz3611

I once saw a bloke trying to 'train' his dog, which obviously wasn't going too well as the dog was just running around, happilly wagging his tail. After a moment the guy shouted at the dog and gave it a hard kick in the stomach. I too saw red, ran up to the bloke, grabbed hold of him and told him in no uncertain terms what I thought of people who kicked dogs. At which point his dog bit me on the calf.

KnightofCydonia

jairaj wrote:

Personally I think any member of the public should've done something in that situation, regardless of their profession.

As someone who loves animals, especially dogs, I'd have gone one better, put him into a trolley & pushed it out into the road.... then again I'm always the person who goes too far :oops:

ride_whenever

point 2 is more and indication of the instant gratification culture that has sprung up.

Bikequin

UndercoverElephant wrote:

Bikequin wrote:

I'm sorry I have to take issue with point number 2, it gets brought up everytime there is a debate in this country about anti-social behaviour and its simply not true. Theres plenty for kids to do in this country, its just that most of them can't be @rsed.

If they want to play sport then theres hundreds of clubs for them to join whether it be football, rugby or any other sport. Or alternatively there are plenty of arts based projects for them join in with. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. The reality is that unless it delivered on a plate then a lot of kids aren't interested.

Taking part in an organised club is somewhat different, in my opinion, to just having something to do with your mates. It makes it rigid, "Every Tuesday Evening I'll do this", is completely different to, "lets go to the play area and have a kick about".

I take your point and agree that Kids should be able to do stuff "off the cuff" with thier mates and more open spaces in suburban areas would improve this. However having some structured activities away from school life does help kids occupy their free-time and prvents them from getting bored.

clanton

taz3611 wrote:

I once saw a bloke trying to 'train' his dog, which obviously wasn't going too well as the dog was just running around, happilly wagging his tail. After a moment the guy shouted at the dog and gave it a hard kick in the stomach. I too saw red, ran up to the bloke, grabbed hold of him and told him in no uncertain terms what I thought of people who kicked dogs. At which point his dog bit me on the calf.

Shoudln't laugh cause you were trying to do the right thing but man that is funny!!

spen666

In relation to the security guard- he is employed to protect Tescos, not to guard customers dogs etc

That said, it is disappointing that his humanity didn't extend to him saying something

gb155

Well in mate

Greg T

Bikequin wrote:

However having some structured activities away from school life does help kids occupy their free-time and prvents them from getting bored.

I agree.

Birching would be my suggestion.

Just apply it liberally across the age range 11- 29 just to make sure the bad eggs get a bit.

downfader

Anyone who kicks an animal is cowardly scum. Hope the pups alright and no long term damage!

With regards the Tesco guard, he's only human. The land outside may not actually be Tesco land, it could be owned by the council, another property, etc. The lines are blurred in small premises like this.Having said that is this on CCTV? Could you get a copy to "send to the Police"??

I think animal abuse is on the rise.I know a few people who have worked and volunteered in animal sanctuaries and they're seeing more now than ever before.

I also take umbridge with the kids having nothing to do. B*ll*cks. When I was a kid I made my own entertainment, my Parents and Grandparents even more so. Kids are being raised to be this way by inattention, lack of encourgement and lack of proper punishment when they behave badly.

We also have a situation now (worldwide, not just here) where kids are taught that the outside world is a negative and dangerous place. Fear of pervs and knives etc. So how do they sometimes act in public: with agression less they meet the agressor.

tailwindhome

Re the security guard

Probably thought your dog & a minimum wage job weren't worth getting stabbed for.

Not saying he was right but TBF you can understand

tebbit

Good reaction, if someone kicked Bob my elderly dog I'd probably have done worse.

Greg T as always a sensible practical suggestion it gets my vote.

always_tyred

Bikequin wrote:

UndercoverElephant wrote:

Three things wrong with teenagers in this country:

1) They are vilified and daemonised by every section of society.
2) They have nothing to do. Every open space has a little sign saying, "No ball games"
3) So few people actually do anything to stop them when they are out of line.

The kids outside Gtv's Tesco were certainly out of line, well done to him for adhering to #3. Most of the kids I meet today are a lot better behaved than I was at their age, and I wasn't one of the bad 'uns. But for some reason most of my generation have forgotten what they were. The kids are alright, in my opinion.

I'm sorry I have to take issue with point number 2, it gets brought up everytime there is a debate in this country about anti-social behaviour and its simply not true. Theres plenty for kids to do in this country, its just that most of them can't be @rsed.

If they want to play sport then theres hundreds of clubs for them to join whether it be football, rugby or any other sport. Or alternatively there are plenty of arts based projects for them join in with. And thats just the tip of the iceberg. The reality is that unless it delivered on a plate then a lot of kids aren't interested.

How many of the "things to do" in the UK are free, or exceedingly cheap? Not a lot. Bear in mind that £10 is a lot and £5 is quite a lot, in some contexts.

Corporate Camper

I think you've shown some good restraint there.

I'm not a violent person by nature, but if anyone were to mess with my kid, wife, dog, car or bike I think I would lose my temper and lash out in a more fisty way. I'm sure I would probably feel a degree of remorse or regret right afterwards.

mikeyboy12345

How many of the "things to do" in the UK are free, or exceedingly cheap? Not a lot. Bear in mind that £10 is a lot and £5 is quite a lot, in some contexts.

Riding a bike is "free". Should've given the kids the forum URL! Maybe things *are* more expensive than they were 20yrs ago, but I remember that, as a young teen, if I wasn't casually playing sport in the park then I was prob watching TV or playing board games at a mate's house. Computer games were reserved for when it was chucking it down. I think my generation was a bit more naive - give today's teens some glue and they'd prob sniff the lot. Whereas me and my mates would use it to make Airfix kits.

TommyEss

mikeyboy12345 wrote:

Riding a bike is "free".

Hahahahahaa............. yeah, sure, once you've got all the kit.

You're saying a tenner's a lot to plenty of people, but the ASDA BSO is £70 - from that I'd guess there are a helluva lot of kids who don't even have access to a BSO - let alone anything any of us would recognise as a bike.

Best get Bono on the case...!

Specialized Needs

downfader wrote:

....Having said that is this on CCTV? Could you get a copy to "send to the Police"??

Although you may wish to edit out the 'slamdunk'


Or maybe not ...