what steel hardtail frame?
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oh dear I appear to have spluffed :oops:
if I'd known that the Kona explosiv had sliding dropouts, I might have picked that over the Tranny. What a gorgeous looking piece of kit..... Still my tranny is pretty good looking aswell.
Oh, there I go again....
and guybe, a magazine "choosing" one frame to test instead of another says, arguably, very litte. It's perfectly possible that Genesis were first/only to offer up a frame in the correct size in time for print. Every group test always results in "why wasn't this frame in the test" and "how could you have missed that frame out" don't read too much into it, even if the test says something like "buy this frame NOW, none other will come close" and I'm going to be that WMB didn't go that far, even if you did. Nice to hear they have good customer support though, that's always worth something.Everything in moderation ... except beer
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If riding an XC race bike is like touching the trail,
then riding a rigid singlespeed is like licking it
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bomberesque wrote:and guybe, a magazine "choosing" one frame to test instead of another says, arguably, very litte. It's perfectly possible that Genesis were first/only to offer up a frame in the correct size in time for print. Every group test always results in "why wasn't this frame in the test" and "how could you have missed that frame out" don't read too much into it, even if the test says something like "buy this frame NOW, none other will come close" and I'm going to be that WMB didn't go that far, even if you did. Nice to hear they have good customer support though, that's always worth something.
Exactly.
All group tests should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Unless of course it's the latest issue of What Mountain Bike where my bike and my wheels win their respective group tests
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That Handjob on the previous page is NICE - mine is a lot older than that and more weathered as a result but it is still the love of my life.
It is truely capable of doing anything and everything - I find the current prices a bit eye watering compared to what I paid for mine but if I had to replace the frame I'd be replacing it like for like (although the new ones are rated for longer forks than mine).
Pic of mine is in the my rides bit somewhere - I think it looks good but its comparatively low spec and as I say, "weathered"!
Go Cove and then forget what its like to ride your full sussers.....Closet jockey wheel pimp whore.0 -
From Pipedream just now:
- The design of the frame is going to stay exactly the same.
- The only difference is the branded tubeset. This will allow the front triangle to be slightly stiffer, more responsive, slightly lighter
- The new batch of 725 frames are expected to be finished in about 4 weeks time.
- The retail price will be £250, but if you pre-order now you can save yourself £25.
- If you'd like to pre-order one of the Reynolds 725 frames all we require is a £100 deposit and for you to inform us of what size frame you require and also if its a standard dropout version or a sliding dropout you require.0 -
Those Pipedream frames look reeeeally nice as well. Cor!
Do you not think we're all a bit spoilt for choice these days? :?0 -
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paul.skibum wrote:That Handjob on the previous page is NICE
Cheers Ears,
[Jedi mind Trick style swooping of hand while typing] Sheepy buy the Cove [/Jedi mind Trick style swooping of hand while typing]
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Quite simply WMB cannot test every bike in one go. The manufacturers do not always send a test bike in time either. The Genesis is a great value 853 frame, but plent of others equal it.0
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I spent a little over 50 hours on my Cotic Soul last week during the Trans Wales 2009 and at no point did I have the slightest desire for any other bike.*
That said there was an Orange P7 and at least two Handjobs there too.....
*Mind you, at times I was so knackered I didn't have the slightest desire for ANYTHING ;-)0 -
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hmmmm, i used to had an 07 p7, it was sh1t. maybe the newer ones are made from different metal.
i havent bought anything yet but i am still thinking i want one. most likely going to be a summer season but im looking at getting some longer forks. basicly im keeping the older stumpy for the wife to use as i cant bring my self to get rid.
im gonna wait until i get to my new house in october and see if i really want one once i find my new riding environment.
thing is, now i hve decided to buy new forks and what not, im sorely tempted to build a pha5e even though its not steel.0 -
Not sure if the frame will feel any different but I've just taken receipt of my new P7 frame (2010 model) and they are now using the Reynolds 631 steel for the frames which IIRC is a step up in the steel frame world, so it might ride differently? (pics in sig)Orange 2010 P7 - Custom Build - My New Bikey Poos
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How much does the Handjob and the Inbred weigh?0
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Calimed weights are 4.6lbs for the Handjob, and 4.7lbs for the inbred. Many have weighrd the latter at over 5lbs though.
Of course, size makes a difference.0 -
Blimey, pretty heavy. Guess that's price you pay for steel.
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sheepsteeth wrote:hmmmm, i used to had an 07 p7, it was sh1t. maybe the newer ones are made from different metal.
Possibly the rider was defective. I have a P7 and it's fine - excellent really. 2009 model - same metal I believe as the 07.Faster than a tent.......0 -
dont get all upset if you own a bike i dont like. if you like yours, fair play, i thought mine was sh1t. i tried my best to like it in all diferent formats (i fitted rebas, nixons, revelations, even rigid forks, light wheels, heavy tough ones) but couldnt get on with it.
so im confident there was more wrong with the bike than there was with me.0 -
Supersonic what frame sizes are those estimates based on? I have a 21" Handjob and have just purchased an 18" Inbred so will it be a little lighter? Was going to change over from Pike 426's to 2009 Rev's 426 to save a bit more weight. Will I notice a difference in performance, either positive or negative?
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Why not buy a late 90's steel frame? Stumpy or perhaps a Kona or something?0
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I can't remember to be honest - I just remember those as the weights. Probably XS!
Is hard to tell if their would be any performance difference. Both decent frames, biut have slightly different geometry.
The Rev will certainly slice some weight off.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:dont get all upset if you own a bike i dont like.
I'm not upset - just pointing out that it is about taste and not whether a bike is good or bad. The P7 is a good bike - that is a fact. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. Probably the geommetry doesn't suite you or something else etc etc which is fair enough..
The fact is that a bike can only really be described as sh1te if not many people get on with it. And you can't accuse the P7 of that. There is a big difference between advising people not to buy a bike because it is a bit crap and advising people not to buy it because you don't like it! That's just not constructive!Faster than a tent.......0 -
Well it is expensive compared to an inbred.0
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im not advising anyone on whether to buy the bike, im the one receiving advice, someone mentioned me geting a p7, i said i dont want one cause they're sh1t.
anyway, what makes your opinion more valid than mine? you think they are good, i think they are sh1t so whos right?0 -
Both of you, as neither will change their mind, Sheepsteeth has had one doesn't like it, and Rolf F has one and still likes it.
Dispute solved
So has anyone seen the Altitude 30 on the bay? Looks quite nice in lime green!
Also a rare 853 Inbred on there too.0 -
eeeeeeeeexxactly.HandjobDan wrote:Both of you,0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:im not advising anyone on whether to buy the bike, im the one receiving advice, someone mentioned me geting a p7, i said i dont want one cause they're sh1t.
anyway, what makes your opinion more valid than mine? you think they are good, i think they are sh1t so whos right?
Me! As I said, there are plenty of people who like them - they get good reviews, an obsessively loyal fanbase etc. If lots of people find a product good, then it is at least fit for purpose and therefore not sh1te. Therefore you are wrong to say it is sh1te because it isn't. You can, as Supersonic says, point out that there are better value for money frames and, for that matter, lighter ones but it still doesn't make it sh1te. My opinion is only more valid than yours in that I'm trying to point out that there is more to whether a product is good or not than personal taste. Our tastes are equally valid if different (personally, I would never buy a Cove - not due to their sh1teness or otherwise - just because I don't want to own a bike whose manufacturers put 14 year old boys in charge of the product naming!).
An Apollo mountain bike is sh1te - an Orange P7 isn't. Those are facts, not preferences.Faster than a tent.......0 -
HandjobDan wrote:Both of you, as neither will change their mind, Sheepsteeth has had one doesn't like it, and Rolf F has one and still likes it.
Dispute solved
Naaaah, I'm right and I'll fight to the bitter end if it takes my whole life Faster than a tent.......0 -
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the point is, if i think they are sh1t, then they are. what makes you right?0 -
dont forget, i couldnt give two funks about the p7, ive tried them and i know they are sh1t, you're the one choppsing off about them,0
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sheepsteeth wrote::roll:
the point is, if i think they are sh1t, then they are. what makes you right?
What makes you right though? As I said, there is a difference between personal taste and product quality. I don't doubt that the Bentley GT is a very good car but I wouldn't be seen dead in one; they are vulgar, tasteless and chavvy. Doesn't mean it is sh1te - it does everything it is designed to do well (aside from being classy!).Faster than a tent.......0
