Mavic R-sys
benji90
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How much do you think I should be paying for a test pair of Mavics R-sys.
My LBS lent me some over the weekend and I really like them. He told me he would do me a really good deal on them if I wanted them. Any ideas what constitutes a "really good deal"!
Cheers
My LBS lent me some over the weekend and I really like them. He told me he would do me a really good deal on them if I wanted them. Any ideas what constitutes a "really good deal"!
Cheers
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£20 and medical insurance thrown in.0
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Funny!0
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no real idea to be honest - there is a guy down to £450 trying to shift a set of used ones though.
Let us know how you got on and just out of interest what is it you like about them?0 -
Thanks very much, that gives me some kind of guide.
Seem pretty stiff and are unfeasibly light!0 -
You have down a search on Mavic R-Sys first haven't you? Caveat emptor definitely applies here.0
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http://www.velonews.com/article/93054
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benji90 wrote:Seem pretty stiff and are unfeasibly light!
Maybe the old saying "if it seems to good to be true........" applies here.
As I recall, a picture or two of a couple of these wheels coming apart didn't
do much for their reputation. But, I'm forever doomed to be a skeptic.0 -
Yeah I know all about them, but I am sure there were equal horror stories when people first started using carbon frames.
I havent made up my mind yet to be honest. I mean at £300 I might just risk it, at £600 I probably wouldnt. I dont suppose I would be using them day in day out. so the fact there are probably thousands of these wheels out there and Mavic only have reports of one failure does put it in perspective, to me anyway.0 -
I agree these wheels are superb. It just so happens that a cycling journalist has come across a pair that failed. I imagine many other wheelsets fail when in general use but they are just not reported to cycling news etc. I have a set of these and they are superbly stiff and light. Go for it mate sometimes you just have to ignore what people think and make your own mind up (there probably just jealous i.e kysrium users).0
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benji90 wrote:Yeah I know all about them, but I am sure there were equal horror stories when people first started using carbon frames.
I havent made up my mind yet to be honest. I mean at £300 I might just risk it, at £600 I probably wouldnt. I dont suppose I would be using them day in day out. so the fact there are probably thousands of these wheels out there and Mavic only have reports of one failure does put it in perspective, to me anyway.
You make a good point. Horror stories abound for just about every piece of cycling equipment made. Sometimes it only takes one incident, with a component, to make it SEEM that it happens to all of them. However, on the flip side of the coin, having wheels that are sturdy, durable, easy to work on(can be fixed without sending them back to the factory), and you trust them, is worth considering. Riding around worrying that something may fail is not the way to go. As for me, I'm always skeptical of the many claims that you hear about all the new wheels. Each week it seems that a new set comes out that is faster, gotta have to win, blah, blah,....... My personal opinion of lots of these wheels is that manufacturers are now marketing wheels that they have designed, first and foremost, to look good and use carbon fiber. And a far distant second, to actually accomplish anything useful i.e. aero, light weight, maintenance ease. Sort of a function FOLLOWS form. As opposed to the other way around.0 -
Erm, it was a bit more than one journalist having a set fail;
http://www.mavic.com/road/news/news.762.aspx0 -
The cycling industry is full of mimics, so when one company brings out a new product you normally see a rush of imitators following shortly afterwards. To the best of my knowledge no-one has made any attempt at copying the R-Sys wheel with carbon spokes. That alone speaks volumes to me.dennisn wrote:You make a good point. Horror stories abound for just about every piece of cycling equipment made. Sometimes it only takes one incident, with a component, to make it SEEM that it happens to all of them. However, on the flip side of the coin, having wheels that are sturdy, durable, easy to work on(can be fixed without sending them back to the factory), and you trust them, is worth considering. Riding around worrying that something may fail is not the way to go. As for me, I'm always skeptical of the many claims that you hear about all the new wheels. Each week it seems that a new set comes out that is faster, gotta have to win, blah, blah,....... My personal opinion of lots of these wheels is that manufacturers are now marketing wheels that they have designed, first and foremost, to look good and use carbon fiber. And a far distant second, to actually accomplish anything useful i.e. aero, light weight, maintenance ease. Sort of a function FOLLOWS form. As opposed to the other way around.0 -
andyp wrote:Erm, it was a bit more than one journalist having a set fail;
http://www.mavic.com/road/news/news.762.aspx
As I understand it the journalist is the only person to have had a problem with the "second generation" post recall wheels.0 -
Read this thread;
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... =3&t=58796
Seriously, even at a bargain price these wheels are worth avoiding. They are literally dozens of wheels out there that are superior to the R-Sys in terms of weight, aerodynamics and durability.0 -
andyp wrote:dennisn wrote:You make a good point. Horror stories abound for just about every piece of cycling equipment made. Sometimes it only takes one incident, with a component, to make it SEEM that it happens to all of them. However, on the flip side of the coin, having wheels that are sturdy, durable, easy to work on(can be fixed without sending them back to the factory), and you trust them, is worth considering. Riding around worrying that something may fail is not the way to go. As for me, I'm always skeptical of the many claims that you hear about all the new wheels. Each week it seems that a new set comes out that is faster, gotta have to win, blah, blah,....... My personal opinion of lots of these wheels is that manufacturers are now marketing wheels that they have designed, first and foremost, to look good and use carbon fiber. And a far distant second, to actually accomplish anything useful i.e. aero, light weight, maintenance ease. Sort of a function FOLLOWS form. As opposed to the other way around.
The cycling industry is full of mimics, so when one company brings out a new product you normally see a rush of imitators following shortly afterwards. To the best of my knowledge no-one has made any attempt at copying the R-Sys wheel with carbon spokes. That alone speaks volumes to me.
Not trying to change the subject(well, maybe) but what have people heard and reported about Topolino wheels, with their carbon / Kevlar spokes. I was intrigued when they first came out and now they are a generation or two older and "improved". Just curious about anyone's experiences or thoughts.0 -
I bought these wheels soon as they come out,great wheels stiff, light bomb proof people knocking them probablly dont even have them so how would they know.had mine to Italy,France and use all the time here not a problem whetever price you pay you wont regret it .0
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Bomb proof my arse!
If they are bomb proof why did Mavic have to recall them?0 -
I used this as a term to say in all cycling i have done they have bee BOMB PROOF im looking at Reynolds wheels next even though i met a bloke at ths years Fred Whitton who had Reynolds Attack wheels first ride he broke a spoke so does this make them a bad wheel or just unlucky yet the wheels your knocking i have never had a problem and still run true you dont like them fine in all you have to say why not tell us your wheels if you feel these wheels are so bad.0
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There's a huge difference between breaking a spoke on a pair of Reynolds to R-Sys.
Plus, they are like parachutes in the aero stakes!
They ride nicely and are light. But. Well. No Way.0 -
My mate has had R-Sys wheels over the Alps, Ventoux etc as well as loads of local riding and has had no issues.Brian B.0
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I have a theory. Mavic are the Microsoft of the bicycle wheel world. No matter what they produce, the same old faces will pop up on cycling forums to diss their products.
There was 1, sole, single reported case of a post recall wheel failing and suddenly those-who-know-better are thrashing their keyboards in glee at another Mavic issue. That there were competing causes in the case is ignored by these experts hinding behind made up names.
Has there been a 2nd recall? Have there been further reported cases?..... bollocks there has.
I got mine 2nd hand on eBay for £400. A little off the general price because 1) they have a Campag freehub and 2) they are tubs.
The best climbing wheels I've ever used. I'm a big bugger and can flex almost any shallow profile rim on a 1 in 4. Not a trace of it on the R-Sys. Descending? Coupled with my Engima it's like going down hill on rails. Acceleration? Point and click, the power goes down and off I fly. All in, far better than my Campag Neutrons - but at full price you'd expect that.
As for not being aero? I can't detect any difference in drag at all between the R-Sys and my Eurus. None. Nadda. Zip. Zilch. Stick me in a wind tunnel then maybe. I'd rather have my Corima's on my TT bike. But then horses for courses.
Great wheels - love 'em.0 -
Thing is, if you are concerned about such a critical bit of kit (as wheels are), then there are plenty of other tried and trusted wheels on the market that look just as good, perform better and cost about the same. there are enough things that can happen when riding without having uncertainty about a catastrophic wheel collapse.
Only my opinion, not fact. Cheers.0 -
Thing is, I love Mavic wheels and I liked the R-Sys...0
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I own Mavic wheels, in fact I bought a pair of Ellipse wheels recently for my track bike so to be accused of being some kind of same old face dissing Mavic wheels makes me laugh.
However, the point remains that R-Sys wheels have been plagued with issues since their launch. The engineering principle behind them remains flawed as they expect carbon to work under compression in a way that no-one else thinks it will. You'll not be able to find me another wheel that has seen so many catastrophic failures as R-Sys and there is a reason for this, i.e. they aren't fit for purpose.
The large manufacturers have stopped specifying bikes with R-Sys wheels and you can buy them now, in August, at 30 or 40% discount on the RRP. I'd be very surprised if Mavic continue selling them in the next year or so as they have lost the market.
Anyone thinking of buying a pair should consider all available evidence and, should they buy a pair, be prepared for the fact that their £800-£1200 product could fail catastrophically at some point in the future. Personally I'd rather buy a wheel like the Eurus which is as aero, slightly heavier is very hard to damage given it's reliable construction.0 -
andyp wrote:I own Mavic wheels, in fact I bought a pair of Ellipse wheels recently for my track bike so to be accused of being some kind of same old face dissing Mavic wheels makes me laugh.
However, the point remains that R-Sys wheels have been plagued with issues since their launch. The engineering principle behind them remains flawed as they expect carbon to work under compression in a way that no-one else thinks it will. You'll not be able to find me another wheel that has seen so many catastrophic failures as R-Sys and there is a reason for this, i.e. they aren't fit for purpose.
The large manufacturers have stopped specifying bikes with R-Sys wheels and you can buy them now, in August, at 30 or 40% discount on the RRP. I'd be very surprised if Mavic continue selling them in the next year or so as they have lost the market.
Anyone thinking of buying a pair should consider all available evidence and, should they buy a pair, be prepared for the fact that their £800-£1200 product could fail catastrophically at some point in the future. Personally I'd rather buy a wheel like the Eurus which is as aero, slightly heavier is very hard to damage given it's reliable construction.
I totally agree, as confirmed by a Mavic representative on their trade stand at last year's London cycle show. A real white elephant.0 -
And to think, they had been working on R-Sys ultimates with carbon rims too...0
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dmclite wrote:NapoleonD wrote:And to think, they had been working on R-Sys ultimates with carbon rims too...
OOhh bet they look nice, count me in. :P
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/mavic-r-sys-ultimate-road-wheelset-21511
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andyp wrote:However, the point remains that R-Sys wheels have been plagued with issues since their launch. The engineering principle behind them remains flawed as they expect carbon to work under compression in a way that no-one else thinks it will. You'll not be able to find me another wheel that has seen so many catastrophic failures as R-Sys and there is a reason for this, i.e. they aren't fit for purpose.
The large manufacturers have stopped specifying bikes with R-Sys wheels and you can buy them now, in August, at 30 or 40% discount on the RRP. I'd be very surprised if Mavic continue selling them in the next year or so as they have lost the market.
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Find me 2 examples of the post recall front wheels failing without explaination. Mavic wouldn't be able to carry the liability for allowing a wheel with a defect to be used.
And I'm not surprised Mavic can't shift them, given the unproven regurgitated pony trotted out on web forums each time someone asks about the model.0 -
Find me 1 catastrophic failure of another wheel that was post-recall...0
