Politically Correct

Kieran_Burns
Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
edited July 2009 in Commuting chat
does NOT describe my boss :D

He's just told me a story about when he was stationed on a NATO base in Italy. He's an ex-Warrant Officer and was once asked by the Italian squaddies he was in charge of if they could have Easter off on leave.

His answer?

"You can't have bloody Easter off! It was your bloody fault"





(I know it's utterly off-topic but I ha to share it with you all :wink: )
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  • Jay dubbleU
    Jay dubbleU Posts: 3,159
    Political correctness is an attempt by those who have no power to irritate the f@ck out of those who do 8)
  • supertwisted
    supertwisted Posts: 565
    Awesome :lol:
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  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    Jay dubbleU wrote:
    Political correctness is an attempt by those who have no power to irritate the f@ck out of those who do 8)

    That doesn't actually mean anything :roll:
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  • roger_merriman
    roger_merriman Posts: 6,165
    Jay dubbleU wrote:
    Political correctness is an attempt by those who have no power to irritate the f@ck out of those who do 8)

    pritty sure the term was a joke taken litrally many years ago and has grown from there.

    like all things can be a good idea but in moderation is the key word.
  • wantaway
    wantaway Posts: 96
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    does NOT describe my boss :D

    not sure it can be used to describe anyone unless you happen to be a lazy tabloid journalist.
  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    wantaway wrote:
    Kieran_Burns wrote:
    does NOT describe my boss :D

    not sure it can be used to describe anyone unless you happen to be a lazy right wing tabloid journalist.

    Fixed your post :)
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...
  • Greg T
    Greg T Posts: 3,266
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? ...

    Are you suggesting that Christianity is some crazy voodooo religion?

    I had tap water splashed on my head by a guy in a dress who'd waved his hands over it - I'm going to heaven Muddyfunster!
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  • alfablue
    alfablue Posts: 8,497
    edited July 2009
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...
    suggesting Frodo is gay could be construed as implying that being gay is a negative, thus could cause offence to people who are gay. Suggesting Batman is a racist would not offend in that way, as racism is commonly and legitimately regarded as a negative (on the other hand, if it offends racists that would be a good thing), however, Batman fans (and probably Robin. . . always wondered about those two) may object to such an allegation. :wink:
  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...

    It's still politically incorrect or perhaps just insensitive to stereotype about personality traits whether the subject is fictional or not. Look at Enid Blyton's childrens books, banned from many public libraries in the 80s because she wrote about golliwogs
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  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    alfablue wrote:
    Suggesting Batman is a racist would not offend in that way, as racism is commonly and legitimately regarded as a negative (on the other hand, if it offends racists that would be a good thing), however, Batman fans (and probably Robin. . . always wondered about those two) may object to such an allegation. :wink:

    Anyone see the cartoon in Private Eye the other week? Batman in his garden pushing a wheelbarrow decked out with bat wings & the bat logo, Robin looking on dismissively saying 'It's an illness with you isn't it?'.

    PC? Went downstairs earlier to talk to a project manager, & she asked if I'd cycled in again. I have - that's the full 5 days this week, 200 miles so far, so I invited her to have a squeeze of my thighs (in my world Chris Hoy looks like a stick insect next to these pins at the mo). She had a little feel and sqwawked 'Oh my god - they're solid'. Exit one smug bloke... :) It's why we do it really, be honest.
  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    ChrisInBicester wrote:
    alfablue wrote:
    Suggesting Batman is a racist would not offend in that way, as racism is commonly and legitimately regarded as a negative (on the other hand, if it offends racists that would be a good thing), however, Batman fans (and probably Robin. . . always wondered about those two) may object to such an allegation. :wink:

    Anyone see the cartoon in Private Eye the other week? Batman in his garden pushing a wheelbarrow decked out with bat wings & the bat logo, Robin looking on dismissively saying 'It's an illness with you isn't it?'.

    PC? Went downstairs earlier to talk to a project manager, & she asked if I'd cycled in again. I have - that's the full 5 days this week, 200 miles so far, so I invited her to have a squeeze of my thighs (in my world Chris Hoy looks like a stick insect next to these pins at the mo). She had a little feel and sqwawked 'Oh my god - they're solid'. Exit one smug bloke... :) It's why we do it really, be honest.

    She could probably do you for harrassment "come on feel my thighs, love, wehaay"...
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  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    Headhuunter wrote:
    She could probably do you for harrassment "come on feel my thighs, love, wehaay"...

    Doubt it. She just had another go, entirely of her own volition. :) Think I'll stay up here out of the way for the rest of the day.
  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    Headhuunter wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...

    It's still politically incorrect or perhaps just insensitive to stereotype about personality traits whether the subject is fictional or not. Look at Enid Blyton's childrens books, banned from many public libraries in the 80s because she wrote about golliwogs

    Um, this is a myth I think!
    Wikipedia wrote:
    "Blyton bans"

    It was frequently reported (in the 1950s and also from the 1980s onwards) that various children's libraries removed some of Blyton's works from the shelves. The history of such "Blyton bans" is confused. Some librarians certainly at times felt that Blyton's restricted use of language, a conscious product of her teaching background, militated against appreciation of more literary qualities. There was some precedent in the treatment of L. Frank Baum's Oz books (and the many sequels by others) by librarians in the United States in the 1930s.

    A careful account of anti-Blyton attacks is given in Chapter 4 of Robert Druce's This Day Our Daily Fictions. The British Journal of Education in 1955 carried a piece by Janice Dohn, an American children's librarian, considering Blyton's writing together with authors of formula fiction, and making negative comments about Blyton's devices and tone. A 1958 article in Encounter by Colin Welch, directed against the Noddy character, was reprinted in a New Zealand librarians' periodical. This gave rise to the first rumour of a New Zealand "library ban" on Blyton's books, a recurrent press canard. Policy on buying and stocking Blyton's books by British public libraries drew attention in newspaper reports from the early 1960s to the end of the 1970s, as local decisions were made by a London borough, Birmingham, Nottingham and other central libraries.
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  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    biondino wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...

    It's still politically incorrect or perhaps just insensitive to stereotype about personality traits whether the subject is fictional or not. Look at Enid Blyton's childrens books, banned from many public libraries in the 80s because she wrote about golliwogs

    Um, this is a myth I think!
    Wikipedia wrote:
    "Blyton bans"

    It was frequently reported (in the 1950s and also from the 1980s onwards) that various children's libraries removed some of Blyton's works from the shelves. The history of such "Blyton bans" is confused. Some librarians certainly at times felt that Blyton's restricted use of language, a conscious product of her teaching background, militated against appreciation of more literary qualities. There was some precedent in the treatment of L. Frank Baum's Oz books (and the many sequels by others) by librarians in the United States in the 1930s.

    A careful account of anti-Blyton attacks is given in Chapter 4 of Robert Druce's This Day Our Daily Fictions. The British Journal of Education in 1955 carried a piece by Janice Dohn, an American children's librarian, considering Blyton's writing together with authors of formula fiction, and making negative comments about Blyton's devices and tone. A 1958 article in Encounter by Colin Welch, directed against the Noddy character, was reprinted in a New Zealand librarians' periodical. This gave rise to the first rumour of a New Zealand "library ban" on Blyton's books, a recurrent press canard. Policy on buying and stocking Blyton's books by British public libraries drew attention in newspaper reports from the early 1960s to the end of the 1970s, as local decisions were made by a London borough, Birmingham, Nottingham and other central libraries.

    They definitely didn't stock certain Blyton books in the 1980s in my local library, I think they had Secret Seven books but did NOT have Famous Five or any Noddy books as they were considered incorrect. I remember my mum talking about it with librarians when I was about 8-10 years old...
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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    alfablue wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...
    suggesting Frodo is gay could be construed as implying that being gay is a negative, thus could cause offence to people who are gay. Suggesting Batman is a racist would not offend in that way, as racism is commonly and legitimately regarded as a negative (on the other hand, if it offends racists that would be a good thing), however, Batman fans (and probably Robin. . . always wondered about those two) may object to such an allegation. :wink:

    I seem to remember that Robin was sometimes a girl.
  • Jay dubbleU
    Jay dubbleU Posts: 3,159
    ChrisInBicester wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    She could probably do you for harrassment "come on feel my thighs, love, wehaay"...

    Doubt it. She just had another go, entirely of her own volition. :) Think I'll stay up here out of the way for the rest of the day.

    Hmm - you may have a stalker there :wink:
  • Jay dubbleU
    Jay dubbleU Posts: 3,159
    biondino wrote:
    Headhuunter wrote:
    Il Principe wrote:
    What's politically incorrect in making a joke about a fantasy figure? It's like being pulled up for suggesting that Frodo Baggins is gay, or Batman is racist...

    It's still politically incorrect or perhaps just insensitive to stereotype about personality traits whether the subject is fictional or not. Look at Enid Blyton's childrens books, banned from many public libraries in the 80s because she wrote about golliwogs

    Um, this is a myth I think!
    Wikipedia wrote:
    "Blyton bans"

    It was frequently reported (in the 1950s and also from the 1980s onwards) that various children's libraries removed some of Blyton's works from the shelves. The history of such "Blyton bans" is confused. Some librarians certainly at times felt that Blyton's restricted use of language, a conscious product of her teaching background, militated against appreciation of more literary qualities. There was some precedent in the treatment of L. Frank Baum's Oz books (and the many sequels by others) by librarians in the United States in the 1930s.

    A careful account of anti-Blyton attacks is given in Chapter 4 of Robert Druce's This Day Our Daily Fictions. The British Journal of Education in 1955 carried a piece by Janice Dohn, an American children's librarian, considering Blyton's writing together with authors of formula fiction, and making negative comments about Blyton's devices and tone. A 1958 article in Encounter by Colin Welch, directed against the Noddy character, was reprinted in a New Zealand librarians' periodical. This gave rise to the first rumour of a New Zealand "library ban" on Blyton's books, a recurrent press canard. Policy on buying and stocking Blyton's books by British public libraries drew attention in newspaper reports from the early 1960s to the end of the 1970s, as local decisions were made by a London borough, Birmingham, Nottingham and other central libraries.

    Which is a load of pseudo-intellectual waffle to cover political correctness
  • Eau Rouge
    Eau Rouge Posts: 1,118
    I like political correctness, I think it's a powerfull force for good.
    Most of the problems with PC come about fro two reasons. It's either someone in power who doesn't actually understand the concept of PC, and so does something really stuipd in the hope that it will be 'PC' or it someone who doesn't want to explain a decision they have made, and so say they are doing it for a PC reason, like a council not wanting to spend money on Christmas lights, so they say there will be no lights as it might offend people.

    Language is a very powerfull thing, and like it or not, words carry far more meaning than is defined in a dictionary.
  • biondino
    biondino Posts: 5,990
    I read all the famous five books and I can assure you there are no golliwogs. IIRC, they're a bit hard on gypsies, but that's about it.

    Can you mouth-frothers really not tell the difference between a "ban" (whatever that means - some decree from on high?) and a library choosing unilaterally not to stock certain books for reasons which you can't hope to know?

    The root of most things PC is a desire for equality. The root of most things right-wing is me me me. Of the two I know which I prefer.
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  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    You, Blondie, are uncharacteristically snippy today. :P
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    biondino wrote:
    Can you mouth-frothers really not tell the difference between a "ban" (whatever that means - some decree from on high?) and a library choosing unilaterally not to stock certain books for reasons which you can't hope to know?

    Of course we can.

    One's simple minded busy bodiness bordering on censorship.

    The other's political correctness GONE MAD!

    I'm off to read the Express. Ta ta!
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    You, Blondie, are uncharacteristically snippy today. :P

    Time of the month :wink:
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  • robmanic1
    robmanic1 Posts: 2,150
    Greg T wrote:
    guy in a dress splashed on my head after he waved his hands over it!

    A regular occurance for you Greg (are you sure it was his hands?)?
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  • NGale
    NGale Posts: 1,866
    The chap is not the most politically correct of people I've found. After a number of drinks one night he and several other officers stripped naked and ran through the female quaters of the ship for fun.

    Most recently he was hauled before his boss for calling a Reservist trainee sub lieutenant a s l u t (basically Sub Lieutenant Under Training)....SHE took exception to this, but didn't realise that it is a word used for all trainee subbies male or female.

    I laugh at his pompousness sometimes.
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    Political correctness GONE MAD!

    Genius.
  • triggersbroom
    triggersbroom Posts: 43
    I had Suggs on the phone the other day telling me about the evils of homophobia and racism.

    Its Madness gone politically correct!

    I'll get my coat :D
  • tardington
    tardington Posts: 1,379
    :lol: V. poor! (vic reeves voice)

    One thing that does bug me is 'ghey' - I mean it's just 'gay' spelled wrong! I can see where people are coming from ie they think it's silly and a bit odd and have no real dislike.. but still... would they call something bhlack?
  • Kieran_Burns
    Kieran_Burns Posts: 9,757
    TriggersBroom wrote:
    I had Suggs on the phone the other day telling me about the evils of homophobia and racism.

    Its Madness gone politically correct!

    I'll get my coat :D


    and THAT was your first post????


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  • Porgy
    Porgy Posts: 4,525
    NGale wrote:
    The chap is not the most politically correct of people I've found. After a number of drinks one night he and several other officers stripped naked and ran through the female quaters of the ship for fun.

    Most recently he was hauled before his boss for calling a Reservist trainee sub lieutenant a s l u t (basically Sub Lieutenant Under Training)....SHE took exception to this, but didn't realise that it is a word used for all trainee subbies male or female..

    We had to get rid of Site Person in Charge - or SPIC. It still gets used though

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