Garmin Bashing
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Cumulonimbus wrote:Besides, his bad attitude towards Evans the other day showed him in a poor light.
Did I miss this? What bad attitude was that?0 -
Bakunin wrote:I think Kleber is correct here. Columbia should look in the mirror.
And Hincapie deserves nothing...in fact, he has always gotten a free ride in the media. The fact that Stapleton hired him speaks volumes about Columbia's "clean" team.
and i think you are talking out your arse.0 -
Columbia's desire for sprint points rather negates their moaning about other teams' behaviorHalf man, Half bike0
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I'd previously seen the Columbia/Garmin rivalry as purely friendly, a bit of banter between mates. Every time Cav opened his mouth about Garmin, all he did was give them more publicity.
Now, I don't know what to think.0 -
jackhammer111 wrote:Bakunin wrote:I think Kleber is correct here. Columbia should look in the mirror.
And Hincapie deserves nothing...in fact, he has always gotten a free ride in the media. The fact that Stapleton hired him speaks volumes about Columbia's "clean" team.
and i think you are talking out your ars*.
Of course you do -- but your eyes are wide shut.0 -
Columbia were very critical of Garmin focussing on the ITT at the Giro and stopped them getting it. No doubt they took exception to other teams trying to help get a Columbia rider into yellow and decided on a wee bit of payback.0
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TakeTheHighRoad wrote:Cumulonimbus wrote:Besides, his bad attitude towards Evans the other day showed him in a poor light.
Did I miss this? What bad attitude was that?
Stage 8. Evans launched a breakaway that Hincapie joined and then told Evans to drop back to the peloton. Didnt see the coverage myself but have heard others saying that. He wasnt the only one having a word with Evans though.0 -
TakeTheHighRoad wrote:Cumulonimbus wrote:Besides, his bad attitude towards Evans the other day showed him in a poor light.
Did I miss this? What bad attitude was that?
Refering to stage 8 (i think)
Hincapie and Cancellera joined a break group knowing that it contained Evans, they then proceeded to act like school children, including waving there arms about and shouting at Evans to leave the group.
Looking back the arm waving might have been Cancellara rather than Hincapiejackhammer111 wrote:Bakunin wrote:I think Kleber is correct here. Columbia should look in the mirror.
And Hincapie deserves nothing...in fact, he has always gotten a free ride in the media. The fact that Stapleton hired him speaks volumes about Columbia's "clean" team.
and i think you are talking out your ars*.
very well made point there.... :roll:0 -
jackhammer111 wrote:noboy in the break was a treat to anybody on Garmin.
It looks like dirty pool from a team that's supposed to be all about fair play.
Hincapie ends up second overall on GC - he's now 41sec up on Wiggins and 1.19 on Vande Velde so of course he was a threat to Garmin. Get real.
The main reason George is not in yellow is his own fault because misjudged his finishing tactics.
If riders were awarded the yellow jersey for being all-round good guys then probably Thomas Voeckler should be wearing it.0 -
Has no1 else seen that perhaps Garmin was on the front to ensure that Astana are in the yellow jersey after the mountain finish tommorrow. Therefore forced to work next week and defend without any other teams help. This then should mean Klodon dropping behind Vdv and Wiggins as he will be riding on the front. Also Lance/Bertie will have less domestiques to pace them up the final climbs if he has a bad day; which again pushs a Garmin rider in with the chance of a podium come Paris.0
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I was wondering. If there had been some decent racing to watch and discuss over the last couple of weeks, would everybody still be arguing over crap like this?
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hommelbier wrote:jackhammer111 wrote:noboy in the break was a treat to anybody on Garmin.
It looks like dirty pool from a team that's supposed to be all about fair play.
Hincapie ends up second overall on GC - he's now 41sec up on Wiggins and 1.19 on Vande Velde so of course he was a threat to Garmin. Get real.
The main reason George is not in yellow is his own fault because misjudged his finishing tactics.
If riders were awarded the yellow jersey for being all-round good guys then probably Thomas Voeckler should be wearing it.
you must have just fallen off the turnip truck.
George is no threat to Wiggo or Christian in the Alps. Get real.
Word is out. Garmin chased for the sole reason of keeping Columbia from getting a yellow jersey. A very unsporting move that tarnishes them in the whole peloton.0 -
Felt bad for George ... but, it's a bike race. If you want to win, stay far enough in front !.. who said that, internet forum people ?0
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rockmount wrote:Felt bad for George ... but, it's a bike race. If you want to win, stay far enough in front !
Pretty much +1. It would've been great to see Hincapie take yellow and I guess it would've been a nice gesture from the peloton if they'd 'allowed' it to happen, but at the end of the day nobody's owed anything and you can't criticise people for treating a race like a race. Even if Garmin's motivation really was nothing more than keeping Columbia from getting yellow, well, they're rival teams so why wouldn't they?0 -
Wiggo is only 46" down so why shouldn't Garmin protect this position? If George wanted the yellow so much then he should have put more effort in instead of playing cat and mouse in the final k's.0
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jackhammer111 wrote:hommelbier wrote:jackhammer111 wrote:noboy in the break was a treat to anybody on Garmin.
It looks like dirty pool from a team that's supposed to be all about fair play.
Hincapie ends up second overall on GC - he's now 41sec up on Wiggins and 1.19 on Vande Velde so of course he was a threat to Garmin. Get real.
The main reason George is not in yellow is his own fault because misjudged his finishing tactics.
If riders were awarded the yellow jersey for being all-round good guys then probably Thomas Voeckler should be wearing it.
you must have just fallen off the turnip truck.
George is no threat to Wiggo or Christian in the Alps. Get real.
Word is out. Garmin chased for the sole reason of keeping Columbia from getting a yellow jersey. A very unsporting move that tarnishes them in the whole peloton.
So Garmin should have sat back an let George have yellow so that tomorrow they could ride against Hincapie, Martin, Monfort, Rogers and Kirchen in the high mountains? Astana wouldn't let themselves get turned over like that if it was them. Blaming Garmin for pulling for a few km (which is the reality) is trying to divide and conquer.0 -
Lance is probably just a bit bummed that a really good friend didn't get the jersey.
Clearly the incentive for Garmin chasing the break down in the later stages wasn't particularly obvious, hence the discussion, so Lance figures they're to blame.
It's fair enough. He still behaves like a patron, so interfering in this kind of thing is his bread and butter.
Seems all a bit obvious to me.Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
jackhammer111 wrote:Eurostar wrote:Wiggins was interviewed by Ned Boulting just after the finish. Who saw it? I thought I heard him say that his manager told everyone to chase because he didn't want Columbia to have yellow.
Columbia will have very hard feeling about this.
Maybe a little hate between them will be fun to watch but I still feel terrible for George.
What was it Cav said about riding like juniors ? Columbia f*ck up yellow and Cav probably sees his green go up in smoke great stuff Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Hincapie spent seven years in a team since proven to be populated almost entirely by cheats, who deserves yellow why exactly???? I would rather see Nocentini in yellow any day.
Fcucking whingers are as bad as hushovd.Dan0 -
"Pro cyclist complains because rival team faster than he wanted them to be."
AG2R rode hard today, so why complain George? Cav did the same in the British championships didn't he? He complained because, in effect, House's strategy was more effective than his.0 -
Moray Gub wrote:jackhammer111 wrote:Eurostar wrote:Wiggins was interviewed by Ned Boulting just after the finish. Who saw it? I thought I heard him say that his manager told everyone to chase because he didn't want Columbia to have yellow.
Columbia will have very hard feeling about this.
Maybe a little hate between them will be fun to watch but I still feel terrible for George.
What was it Cav said about riding like juniors ? Columbia f*ck up yellow and Cav probably sees his green go up in smoke great stuff
Why are you so pleased that a british rider has had his chance of a jersey taken from him? Whilst I have read your defence of LA with interest, this is the comment of a total loser.Dan0 -
flattythehurdler wrote:
Why are you so pleased that a british rider has had his chance of a jersey taken from him?
must we automatically support a rider because he happens to be British?0 -
Originally I thought Astana worked hard to pull him back but watching it again, Columbia, Lance and a few others were right - Garmin was the team that took the jersey off George's back. Possibly as payback for Cavendish's uncalled for comments at the Giro?0
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Cumulonimbus wrote:TakeTheHighRoad wrote:Cumulonimbus wrote:Besides, his bad attitude towards Evans the other day showed him in a poor light.
Did I miss this? What bad attitude was that?
Stage 8. Evans launched a breakaway that Hincapie joined and then told Evans to drop back to the peloton. Didnt see the coverage myself but have heard others saying that. He wasnt the only one having a word with Evans though.
Yeah I remember that now. I had forgotten it, like most of the last week of the Tour. To be fair Hincapie was campaigning for getting rid of Evans.0 -
Might be nice to be a bit patriotic?deal wrote:flattythehurdler wrote:
Why are you so pleased that a british rider has had his chance of a jersey taken from him?
must we automatically support a rider because he happens to be British?
Oh,Almost forgot,we Brits delight in building people up,then can't wait to slag them off!so many cols,so little time!0 -
leguape wrote:jackhammer111 wrote:hommelbier wrote:jackhammer111 wrote:noboy in the break was a treat to anybody on Garmin.
It looks like dirty pool from a team that's supposed to be all about fair play.
Hincapie ends up second overall on GC - he's now 41sec up on Wiggins and 1.19 on Vande Velde so of course he was a threat to Garmin. Get real.
The main reason George is not in yellow is his own fault because misjudged his finishing tactics.
If riders were awarded the yellow jersey for being all-round good guys then probably Thomas Voeckler should be wearing it.
you must have just fallen off the turnip truck.
George is no threat to Wiggo or Christian in the Alps. Get real.
Word is out. Garmin chased for the sole reason of keeping Columbia from getting a yellow jersey. A very unsporting move that tarnishes them in the whole peloton.
So Garmin should have sat back an let George have yellow so that tomorrow they could ride against Hincapie, Martin, Monfort, Rogers and Kirchen in the high mountains? Astana wouldn't let themselves get turned over like that if it was them. Blaming Garmin for pulling for a few km (which is the reality) is trying to divide and conquer.
lousy reason.
AG2R has defended yellow longer than most imagined they would. Columbia will not be riding for Hincapie tomorrow yellow or no yellow.0 -
flattythehurdler wrote:Moray Gub wrote:jackhammer111 wrote:Eurostar wrote:Wiggins was interviewed by Ned Boulting just after the finish. Who saw it? I thought I heard him say that his manager told everyone to chase because he didn't want Columbia to have yellow.
Columbia will have very hard feeling about this.
Maybe a little hate between them will be fun to watch but I still feel terrible for George.
What was it Cav said about riding like juniors ? Columbia f*ck up yellow and Cav probably sees his green go up in smoke great stuff
Why are you so pleased that a british rider has had his chance of a jersey taken from him? Whilst I have read your defence of LA with interest, this is the comment of a total loser.
ffs thats so pathetic it really is , stop being such a bloody drama queen why should a riders nationality be any reason for wanting him to do well ?Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Having studied this and a good many other threads within the pro-race forum why is it I'm getting the distinct impression that far too many of the regular denizens of the forum need to a) to calm down just a tad (it's only a game). b) at least try and see things from others perspectives c) tricky one this, but hey, grow up and finally d) get a life. I can honestly say I've never heard so much twaddle typed by so many to so little effect.
As I work in the middle east I rely on forums to in part keep me up to date with a sport I've followed all my adult life but no more. I just can't take the half baked observations, the overwhelming ignorance shown by many who post here, the blind fan worship and the lack of tolerance. So bye girls enjoy your petty bickering.
For whats it's worth (and I'm a fan of what Bob Stapleton has down with the former T-Mobile) Columbia stuffed up pure and simple. They fell between the two metaphorical stools trying to put George in yellow whilst making sure Cav got across the line in front of Thor. To say however that their train drove on the front (thus contributing to those missing few seconds George needed) is nonsense no way were they going full gas and effectively Cav got himself into trouble trying to pull off the juggling act of winning the sprint for 13th in the slowest fashion possible. Much I admire George and his acheivements, he should have (could have) succeeded by his own efforts and let Cav do what he doe's best, win field sprints. The outcome could have been so different. Oh well thats life and like I said it's only a game.
Let's not forget after all that a life was lost on the stage today now THAT really matters.0 -
So Lance tries to gift a yellow jersey to his best mate, George.
Astana takes control of the peloton holds them at around 5mins for a while then sets a false tempo so they get further away.
A few teams later start a chase to draw the break back.
Now Lance is having a winge at Garmin because they and/or others hauled them back in just enough?
As a few have said "It's a race" Hincape doesn't 'deserve' Yellow for any reason anybody wants to give, he didn't hold the required gap, he had to beat the chasers by enough time which he didn't, simple as that.
Nocentini and AG2R are the only ones who 'deserve' Yellow because they have worked hard to hold it and most importanly Nocentini leads the race.
Why do Garmin 'need' to give any reason for their part in the chase. If they don't want Columbia to get the Yellow then that's the way it is. Maybe they don't like it that Columbia have been cake walking all the sprints, holding the green jersey more often than not and now a winge that they didn't get to hold the Yellow as well. :roll:
There are races within the race that aren't always easily seen.
So who really is having a winge that they didn't get their own way?0
