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  • georgio15
    georgio15 Posts: 77
    Always Tyred wrote:
    georgio15 wrote:
    who do you row for AW? and what are your ergos like?
    Me?

    Not rowed competitively for nearly a decade.

    The thing you have to bear in mind about ergos is that they are stationary, and on land. The best 2k score I ever saw was a bloke from the Yukon who had a technique so bad he could have single handedly sunk an VIII, which was okay because he'd never sat in a boat.

    Go play outside, unless you have no alternative.


    no shit sherlock. i row at school. been told i will make the first eight next year if i stay fit over the summer. i know about the limits of rowing machines. it was just a question. and i can't play outside because i am at school. i am however rowing at 2.15 this afternoon. oh and the go outside bit you wrote actually is telling me it's better to stay inside
    i want one: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Cinel ... orus~Eurus)_2009/5360040482/
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    georgio15 wrote:
    oh and the go outside bit you wrote actually is telling me it's better to stay inside
    Today you may be right.
  • georgio15
    georgio15 Posts: 77
    Always Tyred wrote:
    georgio15 wrote:
    oh and the go outside bit you wrote actually is telling me it's better to stay inside
    Today you may be right.

    its actually okay weather today so i can't think why i shouldn't be outside
    i want one: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Cinel ... orus~Eurus)_2009/5360040482/
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    georgio15 wrote:
    Always Tyred wrote:
    georgio15 wrote:
    oh and the go outside bit you wrote actually is telling me it's better to stay inside
    Today you may be right.

    its actually okay weather today so i can't think why i shouldn't be outside
    You have a giant brain, and I doff my tiny cap to thee.

    different-brain-size-1.jpg
  • georgio15
    georgio15 Posts: 77
    your point about erogs not bearing much relationship is fine until you take for example someone like andy hodge, GB gold medal winner with 2 k of 5.46 and then Rob Wadell the world record holder for 2k and winner of the olympics in a single scull for NZ. now although you are right that they don't hold as much force as is some times given to them, they are a decent method of testing, which is why, with out exception, international teams use them, and why all major rowing countries use them in their selecting progress.

    now, while you may know more about cycling than me, you won't win an argument about rowing.


    i do have one question though. how and why is it that you turn a genuine question into an argument. i asked you what your ergo scores where which is a perfectly reasonable question and you got narky, i think i will take that as clarification that you have in fact got shit scores...
    i want one: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Cinel ... orus~Eurus)_2009/5360040482/
  • mountainroadie
    mountainroadie Posts: 244
    cmon guys may i remind you this thread is NOT about rowing ....... :)
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    georgio15 wrote:
    now, while you may know more about cycling than me, you won't win an argument about rowing.
    .
    Kid, I suspect I'm twice your age. I know more about everything than you do.

    For info, as a 5'10" male, I broke 6:40 a few times. This put me in the top 30 or so, on land, in Canada. This is to overstate the achievement, since if you were any good at sport in Canada, the chances are you'd be doing another sport. SO there may only have been about 30 lightweights in canada for all I knew. I would struggle to break 7:20 now I would guess, but since I've sat on a rowing machine maybe 10 times in 5 years, I wouldn't know.

    The top lightweights were 6'2" ish and down in the sub-6:20's, a couple sub 6:15. That's a huge step from where I was and I would never have been able to get anywhere near that at my height, let alone finish a phd. There were a few guys in the national team only in the low 6:30's - but they knew how to shift a boat.

    Every newish rower, at some stage, will become fixated by erg scores. This of it like your GCSE's - once you've taken A-levels, and/or a degree, and/or a phd, and/or got some work experience, it becomes completely and totally unimportant that you got that B in History.

    I spent many hours doing 40, 60 and 90 min ergs, indoors, on nice evenings and I have the bad back to show for it. As soon as you have the option never to use a rowing machine again, you take it.
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    mountainroadie wrote:
    cmon guys may i remind you this thread is NOT about rowing ....... :)

    I'd get a Moots VaMoots - did I mention that? I don't think they float.
  • gtvlusso
    gtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    Always Tyred wrote:
    georgio15 wrote:
    who do you row for AW? and what are your ergos like?
    Me?

    Not rowed competitively for nearly a decade.

    The thing you have to bear in mind about ergos is that they are stationary, and on land. The best 2k score I ever saw was a bloke from the Yukon who had a technique so bad he could have single handedly sunk an VIII, which was okay because he'd never sat in a boat.

    Go play outside, unless you have no alternative.

    Hmm - SCR Rowing sounds viable....!

    I still have access to few fours and eights and cox. As for competitive, I quit - too old and my back has finally gone. Will do the odd Vets race, but nothing too strenuous. My wife owns a beautiful Carl Douglas racing scull, I used to own an Empacher scull - sold it through lack of use!

    LiT - good luck learning. I run Learn To Row courses in Brizzle - always good to see a few fit people turn up give it a shot - watch out though - can take over your life!

    As for the theme of the Thread:

    Already have my dream fixie, although I would like a blinged up Bianchi Pista for the commute. Mountain Bike - LaPierre full suss job, Roadie - Unsure, but would look at Cervelo, Colnago - anything with full geometry as opposed to compact (I am not a big fan of compact frames)!

    I would be only too happy to organise a four and a cox if a few people came over to Brizzle - maybe do a road ride, then a spot of rowing in the docks.
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    gtvlusso wrote:
    I still have access to few fours and eights and cox. As for competitive, I quit - too old and my back has finally gone. Will do the odd Vets race, but nothing too strenuous. My wife owns a beautiful Carl Douglas racing scull, I used to own an Empacher scull - sold it through lack of use!
    Yeah, but what are your erg scores?

    Carl Douglas are the ones with a thin wood veneer over a carbon shell, right?

    So agree with you about compact frames. I hate overtly curved seat stays, bottom brackets the size of an aircraft wing and absurdly bulging head tubes also. As a 30 something amateur, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to find the limitations of bike technology from the 70's, so all of this pseudo-engineered (most of which is marketing cobblers) carbon swoopy curvy stuff doesn't help me and is ugly.

    If I am (which I am) going to drop more on a bike than a car, I want it to be a work of art. in 15 years, I don't want the year it was bought to be obvious to within 1-2 years by virtue of the novetly engineering that was in vogue at the time. I mean, will we really NEED 2 inch headsets? No? I predict that you'll be told you do.
  • gtvlusso
    gtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    Always Tyred wrote:
    gtvlusso wrote:
    I still have access to few fours and eights and cox. As for competitive, I quit - too old and my back has finally gone. Will do the odd Vets race, but nothing too strenuous. My wife owns a beautiful Carl Douglas racing scull, I used to own an Empacher scull - sold it through lack of use!
    Yeah, but what are your erg scores?

    Carl Douglas are the ones with a thin wood veneer over a carbon shell, right?

    So agree with you about compact frames. I hate overtly curved seat stays, bottom brackets the size of an aircraft wing and absurdly bulging head tubes also. As a 30 something amateur, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to find the limitations of bike technology from the 70's, so all of this pseudo-engineered (most of which is marketing cobblers) carbon swoopy curvy stuff doesn't help me and is ugly.

    If I am (which I am) going to drop more on a bike than a car, I want it to be a work of art. in 15 years, I don't want the year it was bought to be obvious to within 1-2 years by virtue of the novetly engineering that was in vogue at the time. I mean, will we really NEED 2 inch headsets? No? I predict that you'll be told you do.

    In my final year I was down to 6:38 for 2k. I could probably pull 7:30 now....with a sweat on! I had to quit rowing too as I could only compete at S1 or Elite with my points tally - too much training to keep that going indefinitely, too much time taken up with it. I have regressed some points now, So I can do lower divisions now and vets, not that I have raced under the new regime's!! I still coach and run Learn to row courses + do some marshalling and time keeping.....I don't even scull much now. Used to love going out at 5am in summer for a bimble up the river.

    Yes - The Carl Douglas sculls are veneer over Carbon, look beautiful.

    Agree - some bikes can look too "technical", I do like clean lines - hence buying a Pro_Lite Cuneo frameset - full size and no frills straight lines.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    gtvlusso wrote:
    LiT - good luck learning. I run Learn To Row courses in Brizzle - always good to see a few fit people turn up give it a shot - watch out though - can take over your life!

    Well thanks! It was fun today, although each person only got to do about 2 strokes. Hopefully next Sunday will be more rowing and less talking - we're in a tank apparently...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • mountainroadie
    mountainroadie Posts: 244
    bikes folks :? cycles remember those ?the point of the thread ........what bike or bikes would ya get if you had...... :?
  • telemark
    telemark Posts: 18
    Well, I've just got in from my long ride today to an email from Nat Lottery telling me I had actually won Euromillions. Woohoo!!

    Sadly only 6 quid though. Not sure how much of a bike I'm going to be getting with that, maybe a new brake pad or something.
  • gtvlusso
    gtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    gtvlusso wrote:
    LiT - good luck learning. I run Learn To Row courses in Brizzle - always good to see a few fit people turn up give it a shot - watch out though - can take over your life!

    Well thanks! It was fun today, although each person only got to do about 2 strokes. Hopefully next Sunday will be more rowing and less talking - we're in a tank apparently...

    It's not the quantity of strokes, it's the quality of them?! Which club are you training at?

    The course I run, I do a quick safety session, then cheuck them all in an 8+ and get them roning straight off. It is all people want to do on the first day - we then get them on ergs and work on basic movements. First 3 sessions are usually just getting people on the water and enjoying it before the hard work begins!

    Keep your head straight and always listen to your cox.....they own your butt in the boat!

    Sorry Mtn Roadie - will stop hijacking ya thread!

    Tanks don't float :shock: They are useful for basic technique training (don't do the "tap out" on the erg - makes you look a tw@t in the gym) - ergs are for training, not technique! Loads of noobs do it!

    Missed out on a Look frame today on Ebay! Thats what I'd have!!!
  • tptvmbircn
    tptvmbircn Posts: 782
    I luuuuurve my salsa but to keep it company a Specialized S Works Epic, its funny me and the other half were talking about the exact same thing a few moments ago...
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    Terry Barker wrote:
    I luuuuurve my salsa but to keep it company a Specialized S Works Epic, its funny me and the other half were talking about the exact same thing a few moments ago...

    Where did you get your Salsa frame re-finished? I'm dimly considering this for a bike I have, but I'd like to get the maker's name on the frame recreated if I can Not sure if this is what has happened with you, or if you got Salsa stickers somewhere.
  • georgio15
    georgio15 Posts: 77
    Always Tyred wrote:
    georgio15 wrote:
    now, while you may know more about cycling than me, you won't win an argument about rowing.
    .
    Kid, I suspect I'm twice your age. I know more about everything than you do.

    For info, as a 5'10" male, I broke 6:40 a few times. This put me in the top 30 or so, on land, in Canada. This is to overstate the achievement, since if you were any good at sport in Canada, the chances are you'd be doing another sport. SO there may only have been about 30 lightweights in canada for all I knew. I would struggle to break 7:20 now I would guess, but since I've sat on a rowing machine maybe 10 times in 5 years, I wouldn't know.

    The top lightweights were 6'2" ish and down in the sub-6:20's, a couple sub 6:15. That's a huge step from where I was and I would never have been able to get anywhere near that at my height, let alone finish a phd. There were a few guys in the national team only in the low 6:30's - but they knew how to shift a boat.

    Every newish rower, at some stage, will become fixated by erg scores. This of it like your GCSE's - once you've taken A-levels, and/or a degree, and/or a phd, and/or got some work experience, it becomes completely and totally unimportant that you got that B in History.

    I spent many hours doing 40, 60 and 90 min ergs, indoors, on nice evenings and I have the bad back to show for it. As soon as you have the option never to use a rowing machine again, you take it.


    oh so you worked hard. i train on average 2 hours a day every week. i am 15, 6 foot and pull a 6.50. and to be top 30 with a 6.40 i hope you are talking about lightweights.

    and to say that you know more about everything than i do is ridiculous. i bet i know more about tony hawks proving ground than you, and GTA 4, and probably most games/systems
    i want one: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Cinel ... orus~Eurus)_2009/5360040482/
  • tptvmbircn
    tptvmbircn Posts: 782
    Always Tyred wrote:
    Terry Barker wrote:
    I luuuuurve my salsa but to keep it company a Specialized S Works Epic, its funny me and the other half were talking about the exact same thing a few moments ago...

    Where did you get your Salsa frame re-finished? I'm dimly considering this for a bike I have, but I'd like to get the maker's name on the frame recreated if I can Not sure if this is what has happened with you, or if you got Salsa stickers somewhere.

    A local man Kevin Winter resprayed my frame, he also made the decals and chain stay!
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    georgio15 wrote:
    oh so you worked hard. i train on average 2 hours a day every week. i am 15, 6 foot and pull a 6.50. and to be top 30 with a 6.40 i hope you are talking about lightweights.

    and to say that you know more about everything than i do is ridiculous. i bet i know more about tony hawks proving ground than you, and GTA 4, and probably most games/systems
    Yes, lightweights. :lol::lol:
    I'll qualify that as "about anything of any significance". I defer to your greater knowledge of skating dudes.
    Look, I'm no great rower, but I've probably been rowing for roughly the same amount of time you've been on the planet, so I just couldn't help myself... :shock:

    But, hey, sub-7 mins is good. Don't be discouraged if you plateau. It goes like that sometimes. But worry more about seat racing and small boats.

    Its also one of those minority sports where someone can take it up as late as at uni and still reach the absolute top of the sport. Its size-ist, though. There was maybe one guy under 6 ft that I spotted at the olympics - that nutty (but really good) UK lwt sculler. However, if you are the right build, there are no limits (any old untallented tool can be coached up into a reasonable rower - I mean, you just do the same thing 20 or 30 times a minute and you get it right in the end).
  • Jay dubbleU
    Jay dubbleU Posts: 3,159
    This one
    http://www.biker-boarder.de/shopware/im ... 05f0_5.jpg for trips to the pub

    and this one
    http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/enlargeravennomad.html for my world tour :D

    :D:D
  • mountainroadie
    mountainroadie Posts: 244
    love the new york taxi on two wheels 8)

    glad somebodys talking bikes

    rowing aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh :evil:
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Wilier Cento with Super Record 11.
    Food Chain number = 4

    A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
  • mountainroadie
    mountainroadie Posts: 244
    has anyone tried super record 11 :?
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    gtvlusso wrote:
    LiT - good luck learning. I run Learn To Row courses in Brizzle - always good to see a few fit people turn up give it a shot - watch out though - can take over your life!

    Well thanks! It was fun today, although each person only got to do about 2 strokes. Hopefully next Sunday will be more rowing and less talking - we're in a tank apparently...
    I agree with GTV. A good thing about getting people to row, preferably as an VIII, early on is that its hilarious. Providing no one drowns.

    It also demonstrates the value of listening patiently while you are told the rudiments and effectively postpones the collective urge to repeat the dreadful experience of rowing as an VIII for some time (about a week, usually).
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Always Tyred wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    gtvlusso wrote:
    LiT - good luck learning. I run Learn To Row courses in Brizzle - always good to see a few fit people turn up give it a shot - watch out though - can take over your life!

    Well thanks! It was fun today, although each person only got to do about 2 strokes. Hopefully next Sunday will be more rowing and less talking - we're in a tank apparently...
    I agree with GTV. A good thing about getting people to row, preferably as an VIII, early on is that its hilarious. Providing no one drowns.

    It also demonstrates the value of listening patiently while you are told the rudiments and effectively postpones the collective urge to repeat the dreadful experience of rowing as an VIII for some time (about a week, usually).

    :lol::lol:

    One lady did insist she was given a BA, which considering we were no further than 10' from the bank at any time did seem a tad excessive.

    It would have been nice to have a proper go, but about 40% of the group were surprised to hear that you face the back of the boat when rowing so maybe would not have been a good idea.

    They were mostly the 'my son is at (insert public school here) and rows' gang.
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • gtvlusso
    gtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    BA - Hahahaha! Thats brilliant!

    4+ is good for learning in - you will learn to sit a boat quickly, very quickly!!!

    Where are you doing this? I may have done the club regatta or head with Black Sheep or some such crew that I was in......!
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    I know, I did consider 'accidentally' pushing her in... :lol:

    It's Quintin Boat Club...
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.
  • always_tyred
    always_tyred Posts: 4,965
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I know, I did consider 'accidentally' pushing her in... :lol:

    It's Quintin Boat Club...
    Wow - that's a coincidence. I used to row for TarquinFintimLimbimF'tangF'tangOleBiscuitbarrel Boat Club right next door.
  • lost_in_thought
    lost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    Always Tyred wrote:
    lost_in_thought wrote:
    I know, I did consider 'accidentally' pushing her in... :lol:

    It's Quintin Boat Club...
    Wow - that's a coincidence. I used to row for TarquinFintimLimbimF'tangF'tangOleBiscuitbarrel Boat Club right next door.

    Are you taking the p!ss? Hmmmmmmmm? Because there is a boat club right next-door....
    FCN 7/1
    Viner Maxima, Tifosi CK7, Giant Bowery, Old commuter.

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