AFLD v Armstrong
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Err, surely he'll be sucking money out with his giant appearance fee, a transfer from Dublin to Austin.rockmount wrote:At least LA's visit to Ireland later this year should give the Irish economy a much needed boost, being as it is presently f*cked ... the celtic tiger was declared extinct long ago...those yankee dollars can be very useful !!0 -
Kléber wrote:
Err, surely he'll be sucking money out with his giant appearance fee, a transfer from Dublin to Austin.rockmount wrote:At least LA's visit to Ireland later this year should give the Irish economy a much needed boost, being as it is presently f*cked ... the celtic tiger was declared extinct long ago...those yankee dollars can be very useful !!
If someone offered you tons of money to show up and race, you WOULDN'T take it
now would you? You'd say, no thanks, keep your money, I'll do it for free?
Everyone has a price. We are all whores, it's just the price we're haggling about.
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I would. But I'm not leading a global awareness campaign for cancer. Nor am I fabulously wealthy already.dennisn wrote:If someone offered you tons of money to show up and race, you WOULDN'T take it
now would you? You'd say, no thanks, keep your money, I'll do it for free?
Everyone has a price. We are all whores, it's just the price we're haggling about.0 -
Personally, I'd ask for a small salary from my employers, ask for expenses from the race organisers and donate any appearance fees to charity.dennisn wrote:If someone offered you tons of money to show up and race, you WOULDN'T take it now would you?
But then I didn't punt a lot of my career earnings into a Texan hedge fund that lost millions with Madoff
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We’re going to be completely transparent and open with the press. This is for the world to see.... So there is a nice element here where I can come with a really completely comprehensive program and there will be no way to cheat."
EPIC FAILFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
andyp wrote:
I would. But I'm not leading a global awareness campaign for cancer. Nor am I fabulously wealthy already.dennisn wrote:If someone offered you tons of money to show up and race, you WOULDN'T take it
now would you? You'd say, no thanks, keep your money, I'll do it for free?
Everyone has a price. We are all whores, it's just the price we're haggling about.
Whats cancer and him being wealthy already have to do with him getting fees for racing?
The rich want to be richer and so do you. It's only a matter of how much.
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dennisn wrote:
Whats cancer and him being wealthy already have to do with him getting fees for racing?
The rich want to be richer and so do you. It's only a matter of how much.
He says the fee's are for public speaking, not racing. Because the Australians never had the change to throw him a couple of million to do some talky talky in Oz, did they?
And if you believe that, I do a nice line of bridges....Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
The 2 million euro appearance fee for the Giro has resulted in Versus being priced out of the newly hiked TV rights...0
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dennisn wrote:aurelio wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:..
...... and the misconception that the Americans came in and saved the 'asses' of 'the French' from the Nazis.
Misconseption or truth, that is the general feeling here in the States. Now, that doesn't mean that Americans hate the French. It means that most Americans feel that without the British and our help there would still be a nazi flag flying in Paris.
Dennis Noward
Without American help the only flag flying in Paris would be a Soviet one. And there'd probably be one of those flying over every other capital city in Europe as well.
(Don't beat me up you history buffs out there!)"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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Without French help there would still be a union flag flying over Boston and every other state capital in North America as well.ShockedSoShocked wrote:Without American help the only flag flying in Paris would be a Soviet one. And there'd probably be one of those flying over every other capital city in Europe as well.
Historical counterfactuals are a fool's game, you can speculate for as long as you like.
One thing is certain though, shifty types tend to invoke nationalism to gather support when all else fails, from dictators to those upset with the AFLD.0 -
ShockedSoShocked wrote:dennisn wrote:aurelio wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:..
...... and the misconception that the Americans came in and saved the 'asses' of 'the French' from the Nazis.
Misconseption or truth, that is the general feeling here in the States. Now, that doesn't mean that Americans hate the French. It means that most Americans feel that without the British and our help there would still be a nazi flag flying in Paris.
Dennis Noward
Without American help the only flag flying in Paris would be a Soviet one. And there'd probably be one of those flying over every other capital city in Europe as well.
(Don't beat me up you history buffs out there!)
You make a good point.
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micron wrote:The 2 million euro appearance fee for the Giro has resulted in Versus being priced out of the newly hiked TV rights...
Well, there goes my watching the Giro. And Versus usually has start to finish coverage.
Bummer. Maybe last minute something will happen. Maybe.
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iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:
Whats cancer and him being wealthy already have to do with him getting fees for racing?
The rich want to be richer and so do you. It's only a matter of how much.
He says the fee's are for public speaking, not racing. Because the Australians never had the change to throw him a couple of million to do some talky talky in Oz, did they?
And if you believe that, I do a nice line of bridges....
Not sure what you're saying. Please clarify. You've got my curiosity up.
:? :? :?
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Kléber wrote:
Without French help there would still be a union flag flying over Boston and every other state capital in North America as well.ShockedSoShocked wrote:Without American help the only flag flying in Paris would be a Soviet one. And there'd probably be one of those flying over every other capital city in Europe as well.
Historical counterfactuals are a fool's game, you can speculate for as long as you like.
One thing is certain though, shifty types tend to invoke nationalism to gather support when all else fails, from dictators to those upset with the AFLD.
Point and counterpoint taken.
That was a damn good book, by the way.
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Kléber wrote:
Without French help there would still be a union flag flying over Boston and every other state capital in North America as well.ShockedSoShocked wrote:Without American help the only flag flying in Paris would be a Soviet one. And there'd probably be one of those flying over every other capital city in Europe as well.
Historical counterfactuals are a fool's game, you can speculate for as long as you like.
One thing is certain though, shifty types tend to invoke nationalism to gather support when all else fails, from dictators to those upset with the AFLD.
Hehe, I know, but I always loved arguing about History, especially with my old A level history teacher. Got a good bollocking when I wrote an essay about how Britain was wrong to go to war with Germany in 1939 (just so you know, THIS IS NOT MY VIEWPOINT, I WAS BEING A COCKY LITTLE SIXTH FORMER!). It was backed up with sound historical evidence however!
I always enjoyed speculating about how the war would have been different if Speer had been appointed to be the Minister of Armaments before 1942. Now, that is a frightening prospect :shock: Unfortunately I never got to study the German War Economy, and had to do the inter-war economy instead. If I hear the term "cyclical causes" again I will STAB someone
"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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Clemson Cycling wrote:No, we much prefer your new, improved, non-insane administration.
Even the Americans seemed to be sick of neo-conservative foreign policy, given that the Republican party had to choose a candidate whose main boast was that he had opposed Bush & co.
I guess history will determine how insane or not insane this administration is. They are taking a lot of risks right now borrowing $1 trillion.
America currently leads the world, and will continue to lead the world, both politically and militarily. The Untied States does not need Europe. I don't know is vice versa is true.
Typical American poorly informed opinion.
Most of Europe appears to dislike American policy and attitudes and I think youll find if youre able to look and listen to others that most of us do not want you americans to drive anything.
It is after all your corporate greed and culture thats responsible for many of the worlds current ills. Sadly fawned at and embraced by some weak and greedy self serving scottish politicians that sit uninvited in Government.
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ShockedSoShocked wrote:Without American help the only flag flying in Paris would be a Soviet one. And there'd probably be one of those flying over every other capital city in Europe as well.
(Don't beat me up you history buffs out there!)
Doubt that one very much from two points of view - firstly, capability - the Soviets took several years to get to Berlin, despite the Germans fighting on quite a few fronts, and so I can't see them taking on all of Europe.
The second is motivation (or lack of). Stalin was famously paranoid, and having been attacked by the Germans, who went against the non-aggression pact, then had a nuclear armed state turning up in Europe, wanted to keep Eastern Europe as buffer states. (I'm not pro-Stalin, BTW, my girlfriend is a Hungarian-Slovak, and her family suffered enormously under the Soviets). The idea that the Soviets were hell-bent on world domination, and would have attacked any country that wasn't under the protective cloak of USA/NATO doesn't really stand up to examination, as there were non-aligned countries in Europe throughout the entire Cold War which were too small to be able to defend themselves had the USSR invaded.0 -
markwalker wrote:Most of Europe appears to dislike American policy and attitudes and I think youll find if youre able to look and listen to others that most of us do not want you americans to drive anything.
I think you're simplifying things too much. Over the past century the Americans have made very significant impact on the world and where it's at. Painting the US as a intellect free zone doesn't do anyone any favours. After all, you're typing on something invented by the 'mericans.
I've met pig ignorant people in the UK and in the US. But I've also met intelligent and pleasant people from both places.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
It is after all your corporate greed and culture thats responsible for many of the worlds current ills. Sadly fawned at and embraced by some weak and greedy self serving scottish politicians that sit uninvited in Government.
Is it our economy that is responsible for your country's problems? Or is it your country's socialist policies that are responsible for your for your country's economic downturn? Last I checked the EU had a higher GDP then we did and had no effect on our every day lives. Recessions are the nature of capitalism which is driven by fear and greed. Many major cooperations in our country were making huge investment profits off our home markets so they continued to invest. It all went sour and now we are dealing with the problems caused by it. Your country needs to do the same.
You continent sure slapped Obama in the face, after he pledged to do everything in our country's power to improve the worldwide recession, by its unwillingness to pledge men to the cause in Afghanistan, fighting terrorism where terrorism lives.0 -
iainf72 wrote:markwalker wrote:Most of Europe appears to dislike American policy and attitudes and I think youll find if youre able to look and listen to others that most of us do not want you americans to drive anything.
I think you're simplifying things too much. Over the past century the Americans have made very significant impact on the world and where it's at. Painting the US as a intellect free zone doesn't do anyone any favours. After all, you're typing on something invented by the 'mericans.
I've met pig ignorant people in the UK and in the US. But I've also met intelligent and pleasant people from both places.
Hands up to that Iain, It was meant as a reflection on the limited knowledege or apparent interest that large parts of the Mid West have about the rest of the world. Based on my experience there.
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markwalker wrote:
Hands up to that Iain, It was meant as a reflection on the limited knowledege or apparent interest that large parts of the Mid West have about the rest of the world. Based on my experience there.
I reckon you get that anywhere. People who think where they're born actually has some kind of special significance. It's just chance at the end of the day. Imagine someone watching a documentry about Karen Matthews and deciding the good folk of Dewsbury were representative of the UK.
Drawing it back in - Armstrong and Hinault both seem like fairly unpleasant chaps.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Yes Hinault was a character too by all accounts.
Anyway i read today that Prudholm expects that Armstrong will be at the tour so plenty more for this thread to report i think
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Clemson Cycling wrote:
Is it our economy that is responsible for your country's problems? Or is it your country's socialist policies that are responsible for your for your country's economic downturn?
Socialist policies? :roll: Sorry I don't want to be rude, but if you think that UK economic policy is socialist then you obviously have zero understanding of the word.
Anyway, back to cycling, I'd love to see the Badger's snarl against the Texan's "look".0 -
Socialist policies? Rolling Eyes Sorry I don't want to be rude, but if you think that UK economic policy is socialist then you obviously have zero understanding of the word.
You guys are heavily unionized, have universal health care, social security, college is heavily subsidized, high break time at work, very environmentally friendly, high tax rates, and have high regulation among cooperation. Your politics is far more liberal then this country. Right now certain liberal philosophies in our economy are dragging it down. For example, union labor is about to destroy the American Auto Industry. You might not be as liberal as Scandinavia but you ain't no America.0 -
Clemson Cycling wrote:You guys are heavily unionized, have universal health care, social security, college is heavily subsidized, high break time at work, very environmentally friendly, high tax rates, and have high regulation among cooperation. Your politics is far more liberal then this country. Right now certain liberal philosophies in our economy are dragging it down. For example, union labor is about to destroy the American Auto Industry. You might not be as liberal as Scandinavia but you ain't no America.
You seem to be very pro-neoliberalism, so I'll assume you mean the above as criticism. Proceeding on this assumption -
Heavily unionised - no.
Universal health care - yes, but starting to crack, and increasingly privatised. Anyway, state health care is cheaper than private health care.
Social security -so what should we do, let people who have lost their jobs starve to death?
High break time at work - better rested workers are more productive. We found that one out in the 19th century.
Environmentally friendly If only.
High tax rates - entirely subjective. How much is high? Are you saying our taxes are too high?
High regulation - you're right - we should allow businesses to do whatever they want. Worked a treat in the finance sector.
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I will start out by saying I did vote for Obama. However, when it comes to the economy I am pretty conservative. The United States is the most conservative country in the developed world and has a PPP GDP per capita 29.6% higher than that of the UK (according to the World Bank). We are doing something right that you guys aren't in the economic sector and it says a lot that the world recession was set off by one country. I mean we only have 300 million people to Europe's billion and we caused that much damage?0
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??? are we way OT here? Politics, don't belong here, imo. Go to the cafe/cake, don't debate it there, thanks.0
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Clemson Cycling wrote:I will start out by saying I did vote for Obama. However, when it comes to the economy I am pretty conservative. The United States is the most conservative country in the developed world and has a PPP GDP per capita 29.6% higher than that of the UK (according to the World Bank). We are doing something right that you guys aren't in the economic sector and it says a lot that the world recession was set off by one country. I mean we only have 300 million people to Europe's billion and we caused that much damage?
OK, sorry, didn't realise you were an Obama-voter. Yes, your GDP PPP is higher than Britain's, but Norway, with a much more heavily regulated economy than the USA, does even better, so does that mean they've got it right and you haven't? Also, there are questions on sustainability - Ireland, for example, had higher GDP than the Netherlands - but it's just been completely wiped out. I guess we'll have to come back in 50 years to see which country is best set for long-term economic well-being.
My point isn't that you're wrong and we Brits are right - our two countries share pretty much the same economic philosophy. I was just pointing out that this particular system has landed the world in hot water, and now the companies who previously detested state intervention come running to the governments to bail them out.
Anyway, Arkibal is right, this isn't the place for politics - if we want to discuss something like that the cake stop is the place to go. I might not be there for a few days as I have a bike to strip down, service and re-paint.
So back to the cycling, has any rider ever left sight of the tester between being informed of the random test and being tested? If so, what was the punishment?0 -
US Open cancelled
The U.S. Open of Cycling isn't the first American race to succumb to the economic downturn. Other races already cancelled for this year include Priority Health Tour de Leelanau, Lehigh Valley Classic, Reading Classic and Tour of Georgia.
Fundamental difference here. Our races get cancelled due to police turndown.
Yes, GB has always followed US economic policy.
Finally got to find out there is such a thing as a credit limit, even for governments.
Now he just steals from the tax payer and inparticular those with savings.
The US is not the only country with cowboys."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
iainf72 wrote:markwalker wrote:Most of Europe appears to dislike American policy and attitudes and I think youll find if youre able to look and listen to others that most of us do not want you americans to drive anything.
I think you're simplifying things too much. Over the past century the Americans have made very significant impact on the world and where it's at. Painting the US as a intellect free zone doesn't do anyone any favours. After all, you're typing on something invented by the 'mericans.
I've met pig ignorant people in the UK and in the US. But I've also met intelligent and pleasant people from both places.
Actually, it was invented by the english.Dan0
