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Cullen Boy well you got that one right 14
They use solder when making mobile phones not welding.
You wont have a mobile phone if you try and weld it.
We wasnt talking about micro tech here or mobile phones?
but me and Sonic was talking about Bike making/manufacture
So get it I dont, but thank you for that ?0 -
grantway wrote:Stay with the topic of the thread that myself and Sonic have added
and you just may well learn something.
Indeed, I've learnt a lot about the manufacturing of modern welded furniture.
The topic of the thread was which full sus bike should the OP buy. I made a suggestion of a bike and passed comment on Orange 5s being expensive compared to the competition.
You joined the conversation, and literally your first comment was::grantway wrote:Robots Dont weld better than humans
Slightly hypocritical perhaps?grantway wrote:I believe this was even in the bike test, was certainly high lighted
on there web site.
Well of course it was, laughing it off is better than highlighting that they're far more liable to make errors than the huge companies who's bikes churn through the reviews, week after week, without issue. You're selectively missing the point again, this is human error, this wasn't a one off, check MTBR for mention of dropouts.0 -
well this seems as good a place as any to post a picture of my birthday present I've just got from my dear old mum!......
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Funny again but I have not mentioned welding furniture together at any point
Total Knob.com mate or total Cxxx.com
Very worrying Toasty again you are million miles from the subject.
Those tolerances of yours are well out Think you need to go to the Doctors
or come out of cyba land0 -
no, not stitched at all but carveded from a single lump of cotton ore by finely tuned computer guided droids! I'd never trust anything sewn together by humans!0
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Like the T-shirt mate your Mum has class
Hopefully not Cyba stitched0 -
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Mancunianfightingcat wrote:no, not stitched at all but carveded from a single lump of cotton ore by finely tuned computer guided droids! I'd never trust anything sewn together by humans! 0
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LOL you'll find most if not all items are hand machined by humans even I dont want a Hand Stitched Garment myself Toasty
Regarding the thread on the P7 maybe thats the reason Orange are going to make it
in house again regarding quality issues from outside.0 -
The great thing about having a hand welded product is you can use extra welding to cover up mistakes - holes etc...........
regarding the whole robotics thing
1. with robotic welding its normally a human who does the first off - the robot then copies it for the rest.
2. If you can afford the robotic kit - you will no doubt have some x ray inspection kit to QC the build.
3. I didn't realise some bikes had limited frame warranties - I thought they were all as good as on my TREK!0 -
xcollie,
have you considered the giant trance x? got one at the start of the year and been very impressed (although originally felt stretched out a switch to a 90mm stem and lowering it in the riser stack has sorted this). ride mainly in the dark peak and its taken everything i've thrown at it. got mine from pauls cycles, was £2300, got it for £1650 think they may still have a few if you do decide to go down this route.
although i haven't ridden them reckon you should check out the trek fuel ex, orange 5, commencial meta 5.5, marin mount vision, the lapierre's and as you've already mentioned the stumpjumper.
best bet is to test ride as many as you can as everyone is different and has different riding styles/ preferences.if it ain't rainin.....it ain't trainin
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Nope.grantway wrote:Regarding the thread on the P7 maybe thats the reason Orange are going to make it
in house again regarding quality issues from outside.
Yes the P7 frame is made in the Far East, but they're assembled in Halifax.
The bike in question on the test was assembled in Halifax by a mechanic called Chip.
The problem was that he used the wrong bolt.
He is now on Tea duty & has taken a GCSE in boltology.
Humans make errors.
Humans programme robots too so robots make errors as well.
Nothing is perfect, nor will it ever be as long as humans make things, including robots & robots that make things.
Jesus I only recommended an Orange 5 & the shit hits the fan :roll:
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Andy_B wrote:Jesus I only recommended an Orange 5 & the shit hits the fan :roll:
It happens every time mate!0 -
i think you will find that i recommended the 5 and it is only ever grantway these days who creates the uproar which inevitably follows.0
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Bah, anyway yeah, as I was trying to say before the robot apocalypse. Weasels make fantastic coffee.0
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so you did, & I followed up the recommendation in the very next post, so technically we both recommended the 5sheepsteeth wrote:i think you will find that i recommended the 5 and it is only ever grantway these days who creates the uproar which inevitably follows.
You have trained Weasels? I must get some of those.Toasty wrote:Bah, anyway yeah, as I was trying to say before the robot apocalypse. Weasels make fantastic coffee.0 -
I even recommend it in the full sus sticky ;-)0
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OK who's hijacked Sonic's profile?!?!supersonic wrote:I even recommend it in the full sus sticky ;-) 0 -
aaahhh, is this thread coming to an amicable conclusion or are the contenders just having a rest?0
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Sorry Andy_B But when I was up at Orange HQ Last year
They had a delivery of P7's and the G series already boxed
and ready to go mate.
I was only talking to Supersonic about frame making until an unknowlegable
fool jumps in and blows the whole thing apart
And I dont take prisoners0 -
Hehe, I go biking for the day and all hell breaks loose
grantway you need to stop biting everytime someone makes a tounge in cheek comment about your beloved Orange, and we know that the 5 pro scored a 10 in last years MBR test, maybe you could upload it and link it in your sig :?:0 -
Cps Regarding Robotic starting by a human is correc/incorrect, to start it of
You can depending of the investment of the manufacturer
The robot can pick up and construct the whole thing and weld
you simply need a four Axis machine
The Fourth axis allows the robotic part to turn and move just like your hand moves.
The Three main Axis used are X-Y-Z
X is length Y is width Z is depth
Regarding how the bike is made by the robot is has follows
Lay all parts in place flat in a jig on a computer machine bed then spot weld
parts together using the Three Axis above then the robot will pic it up
Has Supersonic had shown in his Merida Pic and the Robot will use the Fourth
Axis to finish weld like your hand will.
Human only by example look at the Orange web site they assemble bike upright
and then weld all round just has the Robot does
Regarding QC an Xray machine is not needed to check welds has this is visable by eye
But probaly if used on a Robotic production line.
Xray is normaly used during testing of materials for the breaking point
during stress testing
Regarding holes LOL you dont weld. Adding heat to that point will make it worse
depending of where this hole is? Quality issue here but you would normally use
Aluminium filler/paste to cover your hole and then smooth off.
Such imperfection would be dettected in the begining of the proccess by human
or scanned by the Robot and will start cutting elswhere and this hole would be
thrown away.
Never in my days have i seen an hole not been requested in a delivery of metal
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Is this another question I need to be asking when purchasing my new bike (Whyte 905)?
After all I need to know that the Taiwanese robot (or whatever nationality) wasn't out on the lash the night before and had paid all due care and attention when buidling my frame.
And did the meatbag (read human) quality control do the job properly? Or was that done by a bladdered from the night before robot as well?Whyte 905 (2009)
Trek 1.5 (2009)
Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp (2007)0 -
The roboteer who painted my Orange frame made a right balls up of it and the paint was very fragile and fell off for fun whenever a stone went near it.
I had to send it back for a respray, but some d1ck somewhere between the bike shop and Halifax dented it, so I had to have a new frame, which seems to have been painted to a much higher standard and is a lot more hard wearing!0
