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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,718
    pb21 wrote:
    I was looking forward to seeing Armstrong peaking this summer and seeing what he could do (I think I may be a fanboy :shock: )
    not sure you are ... don't they spell it "Fanboi"?

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  • pictit
    pictit Posts: 603
    singlespeedexplosif wrote:
    his presence would / will make any race he enters more 'interesting'
    It certainly didn't before his comeback. Dull, dull, dull. It's given cycling more press coverage, but that's about it

    I only watched terrestrial tv coverage/Utube clips of Armstrong at TDF.But did he not take time out of all his rivals for yellow, and the whole peleton in general,in some devastating up-hill exploits?[2004 springs to mind].I saw him leave Pantani shaking his head on one mountain stage as he accelerated away.Saw him 'sprint' away from the chase group on Ventoux and catch Pantani and yes,gift him the win it looked to me [shock horror].Was there a tour he won when he did not,over the piece,excel in the mountains?.Then his time trial skills!.I am no Lance fan boy but to deny the guy was a great cyclist and exciting to watch strikes me as odd.He did what he had to do and the opposition he faced were the ones who should have 'spiced' things up .If you found him dull dull dull he sure as hell was more interesting to watch than BigMig.
    This may appear a provocative post on here but I genuinely think the guy,tosser maybe,deserves a bit more credit as a cyclist than he sometimes gets here :shock: :wink:
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Hands up, who believes in miracles!

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/ ... 4-07-13-08

    :shock:

    AZ, dude, your race does not need him.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Nobody seems to have mentioned Tyler Hamilton's exploits of riding a GT with a broken clavicle and taking a stage win? Mind you, we've seen his 'prescription' compliments of Dr Fuentes and obviously he didn't want to waste his investment in all that expensive gear! I'm sure Cadel Evans would be able to profer plenty of experience on fixing broken bones - didn't he break his 3 times in 2 years pretty well wiping out his early road career?
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • pictit
    pictit Posts: 603
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hands up, who believes in miracles!

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/ ... 4-07-13-08

    :shock:

    AZ, dude, your race does not need him.

    If he was juiced up [probably true] so were most of his opponents [probably true].Whats the real problem?[.About his cycling not his personality].
  • joedh
    joedh Posts: 16
    i'm not discrediting him for his amazing career or anything, but i do think this will probably give him a good excuse for not being as good as he was before.
    everyone's expecting an amazing comeback to contend for GC in the tour, but i think that even without his injury he wouldn't have had the power to contend in the time-trials or keep up with Contador, Andy Schleck etc in the mountains. OK, given how good he was before i wouldn't be surprised if he got a top 10 finish, but anywhere near the top three i would find very suspiscious...
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    pictit wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    If he was juiced up [probably true] so were most of his opponents [probably true].Whats the real problem?

    The real problem is that somewhere behind him in the GC there was a rider, maybe in the top 10, maybe in 80th place who wasn't juiced. Someone competing cleanly and honestly who took home no prize money, received no glory and kissed no podium girls. Someone who would have won if sport were clean. If the UCI really cared about cleaning up our sport.
  • pictit
    pictit Posts: 603
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    pictit wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    If he was juiced up [probably true] so were most of his opponents [probably true].Whats the real problem?

    The real problem is that somewhere behind him in the GC there was a rider, maybe in the top 10, maybe in 80th place who wasn't juiced. Someone competing cleanly and honestly who took home no prize money, received no glory and kissed no podium girls. Someone who would have won if sport were clean. If the UCI really cared about cleaning up our sport.

    I agree with your sentiments entirely.My two comments in this post were in reply to someone who found Armsrongs TDF wins DULL,DULL,DULL which I disagreed with and another who wondered if anyone believed in miracles [presumably alluding to Armstrongs claims to having won 'clean'].
  • pictit
    pictit Posts: 603
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    pictit wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    If he was juiced up [probably true] so were most of his opponents [probably true].Whats the real problem?

    The real problem is that somewhere behind him in the GC there was a rider, maybe in the top 10, maybe in 80th place who wasn't juiced. Someone competing cleanly and honestly who took home no prize money, received no glory and kissed no podium girls. Someone who would have won if sport were clean. If the UCI really cared about cleaning up our sport.

    I agree with your sentiments entirely.My two comments in this post were in reply to someone who found Armsrongs TDF wins DULL,DULL,DULL which I disagreed with and another who wondered if anyone believed in miracles [presumably alluding to Armstrongs claims to having won 'clean'].
  • V-twin
    V-twin Posts: 49
    Nobody seems to have mentioned Tyler Hamilton's exploits of riding a GT with a broken clavicle and taking a stage win


    +1 (2003 I think, to acclamation from Liggett and Sherwin)
    mox senex dormit
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    His clavicle was in 4 pieces according to the surgeon. 12 screws. I've got 6 in mine so that's quite a lot.

    I reckon there's almost no chance of the Giro.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    pictit wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    If he was juiced up [probably true] so were most of his opponents [probably true].Whats the real problem?

    The real problem is that somewhere behind him in the GC there was a rider, maybe in the top 10, maybe in 80th place who wasn't juiced. Someone competing cleanly and honestly who took home no prize money, received no glory and kissed no podium girls. Someone who would have won if sport were clean. If the UCI really cared about cleaning up our sport.

    Well maybe someone who would have finished a bit higher up anyway.
    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    iainf72 wrote:
    His clavicle was in 4 pieces according to the surgeon. 12 screws. I've got 6 in mine so that's quite a lot.

    I reckon there's almost no chance of the Giro.

    his surgeon was saying 8-12 weeks to heal completely. He'll be training again by Giro but can't see him competing.
    @stagehopper
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Given he was talking about dropping out, he could always do the first 10 days of the Giro, although that is a bit cheeky. Normally a race organiser would be horrified at this - even ASO got annoyed by megastar Cipollini doing this - but I think Zomegnan would still welcome Armstrong as he'd bring the media circus in his slipstream. Whether he could ride is another matter, a lot of journalists will go home if he keeps finishing 94th.

    As for Hamilton, he had two small hairline cracks. So the bone could twist a little if he turned his shoulders but the compression whilst holding the handlebars was not so bad. It was still rare to be able to ride like this but the images of Armstrong's break show clear gaps between the bones, you just can't ride like this for tissue will get in between the bones and you'll get real complications in no time, including internal bleeding.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    He made the BBC news again today, along with his doctors!
    Not only that, the UK track team had a nice slot.........
    ......having not won a single gold.

    Meanwhile, their researchers are hard at work,
    trying to find out who Mark Cavendish is. :roll:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    As an aside, I'm meeting the surgeon who operated on David Millar today.

    Exciting times, any questions?
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    As an aside, I'm meeting the surgeon who operated on David Millar today.

    Exciting times, any questions?

    yeah, what's his prognosis for a break like LAs?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    What about, what's his prognosis for Millar? I'd rather see him back in the peloton than the Texan.

    BTW, someone just posted me this link - seems Armstrong was reportedly down and out of his head: http://www.comcast.net/articles/enterta ... 5/b106071/
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    What a highly respected news source. I see they're leading with Angelina's detox diet today.
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    DaveyL wrote:
    What a highly respected news source. I see they're leading with Angelina's detox diet today.

    Would you believe it if Vaughters or Bob Stapleton said it?

    :lol:
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    I'd never trust a man with such well-groomed sideburns, but I'll believe anything Bob says without question.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    DaveyL wrote:
    I'd never trust a man with such well-groomed sideburns, but I'll believe anything Bob says without question.

    If Bob lost a tooth and had it replaced with a gold tooth, would you still trust him?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    joedh wrote:
    i'm not discrediting him for his amazing career or anything, but i do think this will probably give him a good excuse for not being as good as he was before.

    I don't know about you but if I had a broken collarbone it would seem a good excuse
    to me for not being in top shape 5 or 6 weeks after it happened. I doubt that there are too many of us, if any, who could maintain top form under those circumstances.

    Dennis Noward
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Bob is still on the learning curve. He was starstruck at first and hardly aware of the issues behind the scenes. He's growing up now.

    Still miles ahead of many others. I read today that the team doctor at Liberty Seguros who then stayed with Astana during the Vinokourov days, has now resurfaced with Euskatel. Give me Bob any day!
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    It's left to me alone to defend the world again Bob and his lies.

    Surely this will just make my Cassandra Complex worse.

    Anyway, back on topic
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    Dave_1 wrote:
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    As an aside, I'm meeting the surgeon who operated on David Millar today.

    Exciting times, any questions?

    yeah, what's his prognosis for a break like LAs?

    The Giro's probably a no-go, but there should be no problem for the Tour.

    He said there would be no way of riding a bike for 2 or 3 months after breaking it.
  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    As an aside, I'm meeting the surgeon who operated on David Millar today.

    Exciting times, any questions?

    yeah, what's his prognosis for a break like LAs?

    The Giro's probably a no-go, but there should be no problem for the Tour.

    He said there would be no way of riding a bike for 2 or 3 months after breaking it.

    I was riding my bike 3 months after braking my Femur!
    Mañana
  • flattythehurdler
    flattythehurdler Posts: 2,314
    One of my favourite ever stories of the Tour is of a cyclist who is still alive, about 75 years old, and running a car dealership near monza, i think (his name escapes me). He broke his collarbone badly whilst wearing he polkadot and had two mountain stages left. He wrapped extra bar tape around the handle bar, put the other end in his teeth and used it to pul himself over the last two climbs and held onto the jersey. It's why I love the tour, stories like that.
    Dan

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