Armstrong flees antidoping test

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Belokki wrote:

PS: Robber woman? What, like Bonnie Parker?

Whats a Bonnie Parker?? [/quote]

Google Faye Dunawaye. She once played a robber woman but now she has a face like a rubber woman. Very sad.

Belokki

afx237vi wrote:

Belokki wrote:

PS: Robber woman? What, like Bonnie Parker?

Whats a Bonnie Parker??

Google Faye Dunawaye. She once played a robber woman but now she has a face like a rubber woman. Very sad.[/quote]

I meant rubber... my bad...

richard wants a baum

Im just surprised that aurelio hasnt piped up yet :shock:

drenkrom wrote:
The hate comes from envy?!?! What would we, lowly cycling forum posters, possibly have to envy Lance Armstrong for?

You're talking about a group of people who would suffer to make the time cutoff for one flat stage of the TdF, let alone 20 stages, feeling envy for a 7-time Tour winner. Don't you think you might have your orders of magnitude slightly mixed up? I mean, you could say I fell envy for him, just like I feel envy for the lowliest of neo-pros, because they live by doing what I live for. But feel particular envy for him over another rider? Nope.

To believe that anybody, Armstrong or whoever else, won a GT clean in the late 90's and early 00's is displaying either credulity beyond belief or a complete disregard for what recent history has taught us. The only difference is that, when someone suggests Heras was a doper, we don't get 10 of you apologists pop up out of nowhere to defend The Man.


Prove that Lance doped!! I won't defend Heras because he's busted! You hate Lance because he's different! He survived cancer! Have you forgotten that?? Most people can't accept that someone from that low can go that high! And that he was reppeled every attack from you haters! You cant find a hold on him, because there isn't any! You're just sore losers! You can't accept the fact that you may bee wrong, even when proof show that your wrong! Don't you think they would have taken away Lance's palmares if they had enough proof! Give me the proof that he cheated and i'll belive you! But not a newspaper clipping pulled out from a french reporters ass!! HARD FACT!!

How does having survived cancer have anything to do with if he doped? Has everyone who doped in the late 90s early 2000s been caught? no they havent becasue the testers were to far behind the curve to get but a few unlucky souls. Have a look at the list of guys who have been caught lots of LA team mates and closests rivals. NOW that doesnt prove that he doped but its not surprising that people have doubts. Maybe take the personal side of this argument out of it and accept some people are sceptical of someone who roundly beat some of the best riders in the world when THEY were doped to the eyeballs

Arkibal

micron wrote:

Hmm, if acting like the boss means ordering your minions to spit on people then I'll stay well clear, thanks - surely you can't find that admirable, belokki?

Catlin must feel like such a fool - but silly of Armstrong to mess up his credibility with someone like that. Catlin now knows he's being used for PR and nothing more - and so do we.

You do realize that the peloton is not one big happy family??
I'm sure there have been numerous riders that have been spat at, your example about Ekimov is very poor, since he spat on Simeonis wheels, not at him, as you suggested, he was one of the most respected riders in the peloton....

Don't think for a second Catlin could be used as a tool, he just plays with the media, and clearly some of you buy it, as expected....

Belokki

micron wrote:

Hmm, if acting like the boss means ordering your minions to spit on people then I'll stay well clear, thanks - surely you can't find that admirable, belokki?

Catlin must feel like such a fool - but silly of Armstrong to mess up his credibility with someone like that. Catlin now knows he's being used for PR and nothing more - and so do we.

Still, it's now absolutely transparent that Armstrong has no intention of doing any of the things he trumpeted at the press conference - no tests with Catlin and nothing out in the open on the internet. Whilst hardly surprising it is rather stupid.

no tahts not what I meant! RememberHinault? he was more authoritive... when he said today there won't be any attacks because tomorrow is a though stage they listened...

But atleast Lance did it face to face, not like Conti acting like a spoiled brat a threatenning the team if hes not leader! Lance earned his big biss status! And he's willing to help the rider his teamemate if he's stronger than him... Conti? A tipical small guy with a big mouth...? he hasn't earned his status in the way Lance did...my question...how do you see Contador as a competitor and a person! Clearly he lacks the champion mentality of Lance... :? Lance has more charisma than all the ''champions'' of late combined!

Belokki

How does having survived cancer have anything to do with if he doped? Has everyone who doped in the late 90s early 2000s been caught? no they havent becasue the testers were to far behind the curve to get but a few unlucky souls. Have a look at the list of guys who have been caught lots of LA team mates and closests rivals. NOW that doesnt prove that he doped but its not surprising that people have doubts. Maybe take the personal side of this argument out of it and accept some people are sceptical of someone who roundly beat some of the best riders in the world when THEY were doped to the eyeballs [/quote]

He did take EPO! During his chemotheraphy... But why would someone endanger his own life again being that close to death as Lance has??

Take school for example...some students can learn almost anything and don't need to cheat to get strait A's... others learn more and have to cheat to get some high notes but still cant reach the best students? Why...?? The don't have enough potential...

st68

im biting my lip last time i made a comment about armstrong i got castigated for bad language but he really does wind me up that bad!! i wish he would just go away and just because i dont like him im not anti american i dont like other riders too but there not constantly milking the media when it suits them :?

richard wants a baum

Take school for example...some students can learn almost anything and don't need to cheat to get strait A's... others learn more and have to cheat to get some high notes but still cant reach the best students? Why...?? The don't have enough potential...

Now have the other children cheating with the answers to the questions and having that one child beating the rest easily ( ok winning the TDF isnt easy but you get my point) and it looks a little suss.[/quote]

SpaceJunk

Belokki - are you Linda Armstrong by any chance??

Belokki

Now have the other children cheating with the answers to the questions and having that one child beating the rest easily ( ok winning the TDF isnt easy but you get my point) and it looks a little suss.[/quote][/quote]

I don't know about the UK but in my country we don't know when we have to take a test...! We also have oral exams not just writing so we have to learn for every class or hour we go to... Believe me thats tiring and you cant cheat always! And cheaters get cought... Students that cheat have ups and downs...but the one who don't and have a great learning potential don't have zenitz or lows... Just like Lance... he was consistent...

Belokki

SpaceJunk wrote:

Belokki - are you Linda Armstrong by any chance??

Nope...and sorry I don't lean that way... I have a girlfriend so tough luck

babyjebus

Belokki, Contador is the natural successor to Armstrong- implicated in a drug scandal, recovered from life threatening illness, and from a country where PEDs are the natural way of things. Obviously he competes in all three major tours, when permitted, rather than mysteriously peaking in July, but only an idiot who started following the sport five years ago would dismiss his undoubted guts, guile and talent. Even if he is a big drug cheat just like his test evading teammate Lance Armstrong (imagine relevant winking emoticon here).

richard wants a baum

Belokki wrote:

Now have the other children cheating with the answers to the questions and having that one child beating the rest easily ( ok winning the TDF isnt easy but you get my point) and it looks a little suss.

I don't know about the UK but in my country we don't know when we have to take a test...! We also have oral exams not just writing so we have to learn for every class or hour we go to... Believe me thats tiring and you cant cheat always! And cheaters get cought... Students that cheat have ups and downs...but the one who don't and have a great learning potential don't have zenitz or lows... Just like Lance... he was consistent...

And thats where you have people part ways you have faith that LA didnt dope. Others are agonostic and others are athiests. The reality is that Lance was winning when doping was at its height, now you can believe as you do and think he was just special. But its not hard to see why some people do doubt the whole thing.

Belokki

babyjebus wrote:

Belokki, Contador is the natural successor to Armstrong- implicated in a drug scandal, recovered from life threatening illness, and from a country where PEDs are the natural way of things. Obviously he competes in all three major tours, when permitted, rather than mysteriously peaking in July, but only an idiot who started following the sport five years ago would dismiss his undoubted guts, guile and talent. Even if he is a big drug cheat just like his test evading teammate Lance Armstrong (imagine relevant winking emoticon here).

So did Lance...remeber? he has a few spirng race palmares to...and was world champion in '93! He also took part in the Vuelta once hes a Tour specialist, he didn't tire himself with other races...maybe thats why he could beat the dopers ... Contador... I see him doing the same...this year was different...I'm guessing if Lance was barred from the TDF like Conti did, he would have ridden the Giro and Vuelta just like Conti did...

And I didn't diminish him...I just said he's not Lance Armstrong

babyjebus

Belokki wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

Belokki - are you Linda Armstrong by any chance??

Nope...and sorry I don't lean that way... I have a girlfriend so tough luck

Linda Mooneyham-Gunderson-Armstrong-Walling etc is Lance's mother, who famously supported him despite her situation as a struggling single mum. As someone who doesn't even know the most basic facts about him you seem awfully sure of yourself.
And your spelling is dreadful. Is English your first language? What do they teach in that school you go to? It certainly isn't independent thought.

richard wants a baum

Seems to be alot of personal attacks on this one fellas :roll:

Belokki

babyjebus wrote:

Belokki wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

Belokki - are you Linda Armstrong by any chance??

Nope...and sorry I don't lean that way... I have a girlfriend so tough luck

Linda Mooneyham-Gunderson-Armstrong-Walling etc is Lance's mother, who famously supported him despite her situation as a struggling single mum. As someone who doesn't even know the most basic facts about him you seem awfully sure of yourself.
And your spelling is dreadful. Is English your first language? What do they teach in that school you go to? It certainly isn't independent thought.

Hm...where do I start? english is my 3rd language...I have 19 classes(36 hours a week) ... I learn bio-chemisthry (main classes)... And I know my spelling isn't good..I can see that myself, but you get the point out of it so why bother when I have to write so much... this isn't an essay crying out loud...

And I knew that fact about Lance if you're interested...?

Belokki

richard wants a baum wrote:

Seems to be alot of personal attacks on this one fellas :roll:

I answerd it the way it was asked

Arkibal

babyjebus wrote:

Belokki wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

Belokki - are you Linda Armstrong by any chance??

Nope...and sorry I don't lean that way... I have a girlfriend so tough luck

Linda Mooneyham-Gunderson-Armstrong-Walling etc is Lance's mother, who famously supported him despite her situation as a struggling single mum. As someone who doesn't even know the most basic facts about him you seem awfully sure of yourself.
And your spelling is dreadful. Is English your first language? What do they teach in that school you go to? It certainly isn't independent thought.

Do you speak (or even write/read)German of French, or any other language?
Very cheap shot there, if your learn a new language, I'd never haunt you with your grammar mistakes, the opposite, I'd encourage you..

But this place being what it is, no wonder.........

dave_1

Though I'd like to think Lance would not take drugs in 08-09 .. he trains in studios with his posters on the wall...and he's arrogant with some traits of a sociopath. He will bring nightmare PR to the sport if +. Ask yourself that...how many of you would? Perhaps he has no conscience...or maybe? Contador will finish him as an athlete

dave_1

LA got tested by someone who flew from Germany according to his twitter feed...why fly someone from germany...surely just put the money into testing? Test 11 since October for LA whatever is being said...is anyone at garmin or colombia being tested as much adding all external and internal controls together

Trev36

Belokki wrote:

andyp wrote:

Please explain how traces of EPO in samples confirmed by the UCI as belonging to LA were planted there by paper clippings. That's some trick.

Confirmed?? Its only benn confiremd by the french media... The UCI would have taken action against Lance

Noone claims responsibility for the leak if there were one s o tough luck

The UCI couldn't take 'action' against Armstrong for those 6 positive samples for the simple reason that they would have been the 'B' sample and there was no longer any 'A' samples to compare against.

Plus if I remember correctly those tests were used for testing a new test protocol/procedure and not as yet part of WADA testing?? something like that I think.

dave_1

Trev36 wrote:

Belokki wrote:

andyp wrote:

Please explain how traces of EPO in samples confirmed by the UCI as belonging to LA were planted there by paper clippings. That's some trick.

Confirmed?? Its only benn confiremd by the french media... The UCI would have taken action against Lance

Noone claims responsibility for the leak if there were one s o tough luck

The UCI couldn't take 'action' against Armstrong for those 6 positive samples for the simple reason that they would have been the 'B' sample and there was no longer any 'A' samples to compare against.

Plus if I remember correctly those tests were used for testing a new test protocol/procedure and not as yet part of WADA testing?? something like that I think.

there is also the higly troubling timeline ...did the lab test the LA sample before the lab knew the barcode belonged to LA or did they test it after ressiot has told them the barcode from the control form...or did someone at wada pass it on as an intermediary between the two. It stinks to high heaven really...nonethless when I looked LA and the operation puerto rogues gallery climbing courchevel 05 , Vino, LA, Pieploi, ullrich, jaksche, heavy big guys like Hincapie...and of course, basso and valverde...I know Lance ARmstrong blood doped as everyone had to to even hold him-he must have doped...

edit-his unwillingness to reveal his VO2 is cause of what science can show is impossible which he might do in 09?

Trev36

Belokki wrote:

He did take EPO! During his chemotheraphy... But why would someone endanger his own life again being that close to death as Lance has??

Why do some people continue doing dangerous sports after near death accidents?
How many people despite contracting some lung disease continue to smoke?

That type of argument doesn't mean anything.

Kléber

When Armstrong announced his comeback, there were only three certain stories. One, that he was attempting a comeback and two, that he was going to work with Catlin and three, that he would be transparent and open. Beyond this, we didn't know which team he would ride with, whether he would do the the Giro, Tour Down Under or Tour de France.

So it seems that there has been a real delay to set up a proper system of transparency and as the original article I posted suggests, Catlin simply cannot get Armstrong to submit himself to a test. Now we can all realise how busy Armstrong is but surely establishing this basic part of his comeback is essential and should be a top priority? This isn't to say Armstrong is being dodgy, just that he is undermining his own attempts to win over skeptics, he's giving all the doubters plenty to worry about when he should be reassuring them.

blazing_saddles

Probably the most juvenile thread on this forum. Truly pathetic. A least the last few posts brought it back on track.

Same people viciously defending Armstrong would be attacking the likes of Rasmussen for missing 3 tests.
Noticeable that Lance managed to make his USADA and UCI appointments, where the "3 strikes" rule applies, but is one for one in missing Catlin's tests.

He might quote workload, now, as the reason. What's that workload going to be like, once the season starts?

This tells me one stark fact. Any monitoring Catlin does eventually carry out on Armstrong will be worthless. He simply won't turn up if there is any chance of an abnormal value being recorded.

This is what should concern any unbiased follower of the sport.

andyp

6288 wrote:

and your mother slept around so you don't know your real father ...

now .. I DO NOT MEAN ANY OF THAT ... but see how easy it is just to say things about something/someone you have no earthly idea about for shits n giggles ...

How do you know whether I have any earthly idea about Armstrong or not? You've never met me.

I've formed an opinion on LA over the past 16 years of him being in the public eye. I've met him twice, once pre-cancer and once post-cancer, and those encounters have shaped my view of him. He's a complex character.

However, he won the Tour using illegal performance enhancing drugs and techniques yet to this day continues to deny this despite the overwhelming evidence and still peddles the myth that his comeback from cancer was due to hard work.

That's why I don't like him. I'll also defend my right to say this, and respect your right to disagree with me.

Grimone

drenkrom wrote:

The only difference is that, when someone suggests Heras was a doper, we don't get 10 of you apologists pop up out of nowhere to defend The Man.

Heras failed a drug test, and beat Ruben Plaza in a time trial a couple of days before failing. No mean feat for a pure climber, against Plaza an out and out time-triallist.

Hard to defend a man that does that.

timoid.

Armstrong was a brilliant one day rouler/puncheur and rubbish at time trials and big hills.

Until he re-invented himself in 98/99. After this he could climb faster than Pantani and Jimmenez and paste Ullrich in time trials. (All three of which on top of their freakish talents were goofed up to the eyeballs).

moray_gub

babyjebus wrote:

Belokki wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

Belokki - are you Linda Armstrong by any chance??

Nope...and sorry I don't lean that way... I have a girlfriend so tough luck

Linda Mooneyham-Gunderson-Armstrong-Walling etc is Lance's mother, who famously supported him despite her situation as a struggling single mum. As someone who doesn't even know the most basic facts about him you seem awfully sure of yourself.
And your spelling is dreadful. Is English your first language? What do they teach in that school you go to? It certainly isn't independent thought.

Thats out of order personal attacks such as this say more about you than anything else.

MG