Respect to the Haka
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It's just one of those great openings to a sporting event, just like the Everton team always running out to the Z Cars theme tune at Goodison Park.
now look, 2 points here.
1) Z Cars isn't a great opening to a sporting event. It's a really crap opening to what is usually a really crap sporting event*
2) Everton don't throw a wobbler if other people don't 'respect the Z Cars theme'.
The Haka is a shite way to start a rugby match although I recognise its cultural significance. Psychological warfare etc? You must be joking. It's comical. No wonder the Kiwis always win**, the other team are still in shock/too busy laughing about the fact that they have such little dignity to go out in front of thousands of fans and perform such a ridiculous 'ritual'.
Otherwise, great analogy
*I'm an Everton fan..
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I liked the bit where the ref was trying to break up the staring contest.
1. He was half the height and a fifth of the volume of anyone else around him (except the NZ player that looked like Dennis Wise).
2. All he had to break up the fight was the pea in his whistle and a cheery smile.
Great theatre.
Why not?
If I was still prepared to pay the ludicrous ticket prices for international rugby, I'd want at least that much pre-match entertainment.0 -
I would be disrespectful to the Z Cars them if ever I was at shoddyson to see the Lillywhites turn you over. I have only ever seen us beat you at the lane
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Im off to see the Baa-baas v the Ausbos next Wednesday 8) . I will not be watching Eng v NZ on Saturday as a protest against the Haka and not because we are going to be soundly battered 0 -
Ridiculous ritual? Would you make the same comment about people praying to Mecca? It's something you don't understand and it's not culturally relevant to you so you attack it and try to put it down? Nice work there.
It makes perfect cultural sense to perform the haka when meeting a team from another country in competition and most people seem to appreciate the gesture. It's strange that people are complaining that it's intimidation AND that it's just a silly little dance... it can't really be both, now, can it?
Somebody else commented that it's 'not the real haka': there isn't just one haka for the whole of Aotearoa! There are many and various depending on areas, 'tribes' and intent. In college in Auckland the four 'Houses' competed against each other with haka and waiata at the end of the year. I was proud to be included despite being one of the minority of white people in the school - as were the various Pacific Islanders, and peoples from all over Southeast Asia. Why wouldn't we be proud to be welcomed and included in the culture of the country that we lived in?'07 Langster (dropped one tooth from standard gearing)
'07 Tricross Sport with rack and guards
STUNNING custom 953 Bob Jackson *sigh*0 -
Ridiculous ritual? Would you make the same comment about people praying to Mecca? It's something you don't understand and it's not culturally relevant to you so you attack it and try to put it down? Nice work there.
no. two totally different things. Nice assumption however.0 -
My thoughts are:
1 It's not half as good in the flesh as it looks on telly
2 If they want to do it great. the opposition should be free to stare it down/have a cup of tea/laugh, whatever. If in wales the welsh should be allowed to do whatever they want afterward.
3 It was a great spectacle last saturday
4 The welsh were great in the first half
5 Kiwishave no sense of humor whenit comes to rugby
6 They still blame the english ref for being beaten by the french. It hasn't even vaguely occured to them that the french on their day may just be a better team.
7 Kiwis are bad winners and worse losers (in rugby)
8 England still haven't got over 1966Dan0 -
I don't care if people think the Haka is a "silly little dance", I think it's something special. It's just one of those great openings to a sporting event, just like the Everton team always running out to the Z Cars theme tune at Goodison Park.
dont know about this haka (rugby is a game for public school bufties) but z-cars makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up
sure beats that dirge at fannyfield that the tourists sing'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
Stewie Griffin wrote:I would be disrespectful to the Z Cars them if ever I was at shoddyson to see the Lillywhites turn you over. I have only ever seen us beat you at the lane .
Im off to see the Baa-baas v the Ausbos next Wednesday 8) . I will not be watching Eng v NZ on Saturday as a protest against the Haka and not because we are going to be soundly battered
There is only one true original Lilywhites Sir. The one you nicked the kit and the nickname off!!!0 -
ddraver: I wasn't being facetious - I might have missed something, but I thought you meant you really thought that there was a genuine haka and then the one that the All Blacks do that isn't genuine? I thought you might like to know that there are actually many.
singlespeedexplosif: I wasn't assuming, and I'm aware that they are two different things. I was trying to demonstrate to you that you are on risky ground flippantly condemning something with deep cultural significance. It makes you sound ignorant.'07 Langster (dropped one tooth from standard gearing)
'07 Tricross Sport with rack and guards
STUNNING custom 953 Bob Jackson *sigh*0 -
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BUICK wrote:Ridiculous ritual? Would you make the same comment about people praying to Mecca? It's something you don't understand and it's not culturally relevant to you so you attack it and try to put it down? Nice work there.
As far as I am aware, no sporting team has ever prayed to Mecca on the halfway line of a rugby or football pitch moments before the start of a match. There is a time and a place for cultural or religious ceremonies.
I imagine certain teams from around the world do pray before sporting occasions. The difference being, they do it in their own time and don't expect the opposition to line up in front of them and watch.
By the way, I am aware that there are different types of haka for different occasions. The one we saw last week was the controversial one, complete with throat-slitting gesture. Very nice and respectful that was.0 -
Been on here before but this is how it goes when both sides really go for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOWy1vHrpxo0 -
I always enjoyed the Haka but years ago the all black only toured every few years and likewaise the lions to NZ so it was not a frequent event.
Now with sky tv showing the tri nations and all the various tours and the world cup it is less of a spectacle to me.
Then the Maori's started doing it in touring games, then the rest of the Islanders so for the last few years we have seen hundreds of these performaces so IMO it should now be left to just paying the anthems.0 -
singlespeedexplosif: I wasn't assuming, and I'm aware that they are two different things. I was trying to demonstrate to you that you are on risky ground flippantly condemning something with deep cultural significance. It makes you sound ignorant.
The rugby haka doesn't have deep cultural significance. It's something brought in for a bit of entertainment. I'd wager most of the chaps performing it don't actually care if the hairy man standing over them will help them see the light of day once more. They're more worried about their win bonus and hoping they don't win at 'freckles' in the changing room afterwards.0 -
There can only be one response to the Haka Saturday...
15 Englishmen doing the Brent dance0 -
Can't believe no one posted Ireland facing down the AB way back. England should do the same...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fg4FyhZ-Kg
or if England want to play games before the match they should do what the did against Ireland a while ago and line up on the wrong side just before the anthums.Every winner has scars.0 -
The Haka is a brilliant spectacle and whatever england do, they're still going to get an utter thrashing.0
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take a look at Zinzan Brooke's column on BBC sport, even he's saying that the AB current crop need to be a bit less precious about it
maybe the england players should all give their opposite number a cuddle afterwards to calm them down..."I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
--Jens Voight0 -
Why not use a british response of politely watching and then whenthe Haka has finished each player should go up to their opposite number, smile, shake their hand and wish them luck. Done properly it could have just as effective a psychological effect as the Haka.0
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Richard_D wrote:Why not use a british response of politely watching and then whenthe Haka has finished each player should go up to their opposite number, smile, shake their hand and wish them luck. Done properly it could have just as effective a psychological effect as the Haka.
You don't play rugby, do you?0 -
England should line up and laugh at the big girlies.
Haka = Haha.0 -
England crowd = 1
All Black haka = 0
Not a fan of Swing Low, but that was pretty cool.
Off to watch Wales thump the Aussies 0 -
That was outstanding. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Shame the rugby players appear unable to respond.0 -
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sing_for_absolution wrote:
It should have been a thumping... two flukey Australian tries and three missed kicks by Stephen Jones!
Still a great result though.0 -
Thread resurrected.
It all starts again tomorrow. Looking forward to Wales v NewZealand game. Not sure which Wales will turn up, but hoping for a good show. 0 -
the Haka is one of the best things in sport as far as i am concerned what a brilliant way to whip up the atmosphere of both the fans and the players agreed it would look a little silly if they were playing cricket or football but the fact that it is one of the toughest sports out there i think it is fantastic.
Remember France facing them a year or two ago going right upto them on the half way line unintimidated and right in there face France went on to win so i believe this is the best approach to it.My bike
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ahhh here's a topic close to my heart.
Anyone keen to part with their cash and back Wales?
Vive les All Blacks!!! [:D]0
