Disgusting Attitude

daz51

As many of you will be beginners reading this or age old pro's with info to offer..... Dont you think the attitude of Mark Cavendish stinks a bit.

I used to forgive him for his attitude in interviews but after seeing his "QUITTING" attitude in the tour of Ireland i cant take it no more.

Its only a small tour he should have at least finished it for pride.

Many of us beginners train for small or large amount of miles per week and we just cant quit when were 15 miles from home. We have to grind it out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think for the work his team put in he should complete and finish races. Hes just a quitter at the moment!!!!!!

what you all think? i imagine some of you will agree and some disagree ..............

fizz

Why did he and Millar abandon ? does anybody know the reasons why ?

Seemed a bit dumb in terms of Cavendish, when he was in the lead of the Green Jersey contest...

daz51

Now apprantly he his abandoning the Tour of Britain for Tour of Missouri

CheeseyJoe

daz51 wrote:

Now apprantly he his abandoning the Tour of Britain for Tour of Missouri

You're right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_s ... 590860.stm

fast as fupp

yes we should HANG HIM from the nearest lamp post

hes a DAMN QUITTER

he QUIT the TDF after only winning 4 stages!!

he QUIT the TOI after only winning 3 stages!!

hes QUIT the TOB without even peddling a single INCH (after being told by his US employer to ride in USA! USA!)

what a cad!


have a word with yourself softlad

daz51

stage wins wont bring you tour victories though !!!!!!!!!!!

GrahamGillooly

I was pretty sure that's what this topic would be about before i opened it!

I think for the effort the team put in throughout the whole tour, he should have finished, if not tried his best to keep the green jersey..

However, when he wins, he always pays respect to the teams efforts in setting him up, so he gains back some respect there from me.

daz51

I just wish he would finish races, becasue for me now the effort he put in for three stage victories is over shadowed by his quitting mentallity

fast as fupp

daz51 wrote:

stage wins wont bring you tour victories though !!!!!!!!!!![/quote

you may have noticed that he cant climb so will never be a GC contender

matthooper

I always find that people with exceptional abilities in sport do things like this. You could maybe forgive not finishing the TDF because of the olympics (not that it did him any favours) but I agree he is leaving himself wide open to critisism and losing people's respect.

daz51

exactly above !!!!!!!!!!!!

now he as won is it 15 pro stages this year ????????


we could maybe move onto him crossing the finishing line at the end ???????

fast as fupp

maybe columbia will sack him?

daz51

you really cant see my point can you ????

fizz

fast as fupp wrote:

you may have noticed that he cant climb so will never be a GC contender

Yep he cant, but surely winning 3 stages and the green jersey would have been worthy of extra kudos rather than just wining 3 stages and then abandoning. Surely he could have just ridden around at the back and crossed the finish line on the last day. But maybe its just not in his nature to do that ?

fast as fupp

daz51 wrote:

you really cant see my point can you ????[/quote

no-can you run it by me again?

boybiker

I thought that you were meant to be stalking me Fast as fup
Ive been waiting ages and still no sign

Barry Roubaix

daz51 wrote:

you really cant see my point can you ????

I can't either. He's a professional. He'd done his job. What is the point of battering himself, and his legs just to finish a 2.1 ranked Tour, when he has the Tour of Missouri coming up. This event is very important for his sponsors (the ones who pay his wages), they will be expecting some stage wins from him.

BTW the lad can't climb so he will never be a GC contender in any Tour

fizz

Barry Roubaix wrote:

daz51 wrote:

you really cant see my point can you ????

I can't either. He's a professional. He'd done his job. What is the point of battering himself, and his legs just to finish a 2.1 ranked Tour, when he has the Tour of Missouri coming up. This event is very important for his sponsors (the ones who pay his wages), they will be expecting some stage wins from him.

BTW the lad can't climb so he will never be a GC contender in any Tour

I agree but would it really have battered his legs if he had done another couple of circuits ? If he was that tired why did he start this morning ?

oldwelshman

Not sure some of the posters here understand stage racing and the riding ability of sprinters and professional riding.
First of all he will be told what races he will be riding for his pro team and they decide if he will ride onlympics or not, and they probably let him ride as it is still good publicity for his team as they get mentions during olympic coverage commentary.
With respect to quitting the tour for the olympics, did you think thats why he quit? Absolutely not. He would have had to crawl over the climbs before having a chance in last two stages, by which time the speed would probably have been ripped from his legs and probably not capable of a sprint finish.
Also after the tour he did a few crits in Belgium before going to China ( which he won) which was probably better prep tfor the Maddison han dying in the Alps.
With a stage race, if your on a bad day, even if your leader of a jersey, there is not much you can do about it. If you manage to stick in with leading bunch, at least you loose no time, but if you fall behind that, you riak not finishing within the allowed time to continue anyway.
The pro riders also have to think of their next races. Cav is a sprinter and not a team leader, his job is to wins stages, which he is doing a very good job at so I am pretty sure his team will not be sacking him just yet.
I like Cav, he has personality and confidence which he needs as a sprinter, and he will get stronger with maturity.
Before criticising it is better to understand a bit more about his role witing the team and his employers targets for him.

cougie

Again we find more cav haters - is it jealousy ? He had a good race and won three stages in a row - what was there to gain to haul his body round the finishing circuit well off the back ? Not good preparation for his next race and it may even have been team orders. I dont see any posts slagging maggie off for not finishing. I bet downing was pleased he pulled out too.

Alex_Simmons/RST

Barry Roubaix wrote:

BTW the lad can't climb so he will never be a GC contender in any Tour

Not all tours are super hilly. Boonen won OK in Qatar by winning sprint stages and O'Grady has won the TdU (not mountains but def not flat like Qatar). But in general no one expects a stage sprint specialist to be a GC contender if there are serious climbs involved. Sprinter's have a job. They win the sprint stages or they go home.

In general, a Pro's season would already be marked out and it is pretty common to ride only part way through a tour for various reasons. e.g. McEwen would ride the first half of the Giro in prep for the TdF.

Super Mario would do the Giro but only stay at the TdF for a week or so but his sponsor never complained about him cleaning up all the stages in the first week.

How old is Cav? Overall workloads season to season have to be carefully managed for performance growth.

One also has to be careful about the overall workload on a road sprinter. Overcook it and a sprinter gets slower and stops winning. More is not necessarily better. Crickey, the guy's had an amazing year - more than most could ever dream of.

Ste_S

daz51 wrote:

As many of you will be beginners reading this or age old pro's with info to offer..... Dont you think the attitude of Mark Cavendish stinks a bit.

No, but I think the attitude of the Cav bashers stinks.

idaviesmoore

Ste_S wrote:

daz51 wrote:

As many of you will be beginners reading this or age old pro's with info to offer..... Dont you think the attitude of Mark Cavendish stinks a bit.

No, but I think the attitude of the Cav bashers stinks.

Yes, I wish people would leave him alone. He's a good rider with amazing potential and, just in case nobody's noticed, we haven't really been flooded with amazing potential in RR lately. :evil:

il_principe

idaviesmoore wrote:

Ste_S wrote:

daz51 wrote:

As many of you will be beginners reading this or age old pro's with info to offer..... Dont you think the attitude of Mark Cavendish stinks a bit.

No, but I think the attitude of the Cav bashers stinks.

Yes, I wish people would leave him alone. He's a good rider with amazing potential and, just in case nobody's noticed, we haven't really been flooded with amazing potential in RR lately. :evil:

+1 I think the OP's position is disgusting; here we have a young British rider who has had a superb year. Cav will finish tours eventually but he’s not very old at the mo and needs time to develop. As others have pointed out it is his and his team's job to keep him in peak form – it’s not for people like you to pass judgement on. As others have mentioned, Cav will never win a grand tour but he will be winning stages for many years to come – I’m delighted with the way he burst onto the scene at the TDF and he does himself no disservice by withdrawing from these events once he’s done what he’s good at – and paid – to do.

mostly harmless

daz51 wrote:

Many of us beginners train for small or large amount of miles per week and we just cant quit when were 15 miles from home. We have to grind it out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're going to have to help me out here, what relevance does Cav quitting have to the amount of training you (or I or anyone) does?

Surely most people structure rides so that loops/hills can be added or subtracted depending on tiredness/wind/rain/mechanical failure or good old fashioned "I really can't be arse with that today". Does that mean that we all have "Disgusting Attitudes"?

One assumes that Cav retired after consultation with the team car. Presumably the team would rather have him fresh for the Tour of Missouri? I'm also reasonably certain that, should Cav decide to move on, he's not going to find it too hard to find alternative employment. It would certainly be a brave director sportif would said "these fifteen(?) stage wins are all very good but we really want someone to finish these races two hours off the pace"

I assume you're also going to start similar threads lambasting Millar and Backstead or is your bizarre fixation solely with Cav?

cougie

I think Daz - you dont know what you're talking about.

squired

I think that Cav just weighs up the opportunities. Lets say he does 70 days of racing in the year. He wants as many of those 70 days to involve stages he can win in a sprint finish, as that is where he is paid to perform. If he has to get through 4 days of mountains for one more sprint finish he is better off leaving and saving himself for a 5 day race where 4 or 5 days are likely to be sprints.

I'd like to see him finish races, but I think that if he is doing what I have said above he is probably being sensible. Of course he could just juice himself up on whichever drugs and ride 120 days a year, winning everything....

idaviesmoore

mostly harmless wrote:

daz51 wrote:

Many of us beginners train for small or large amount of miles per week and we just cant quit when were 15 miles from home. We have to grind it out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You must be joking Please don't compare what we do to what he does. It's not even the same sport mate

andy_wrx

This is a post in 'beginners'.

Which is fine, it's a post by someone who doesn't understand pro bike racing.


At the Salford Nocturne on Saturday, Geraint Thomas had a puncture so retired.

- he must be another 'quitter' !

As he would have been at least half a lap down by the time he'd changed the wheel, he decided to quit rather than ripping his legs off in order to catch-up that half lap and finish 20th...

teagar

Isn't it more that he's a very young rider? He's only 23. Going too deep too often when you're young can ruin a good career. Why bury himself for sake of pride? He's got a long career left to finish tours when he's stronger.

fast as fupp

cougie wrote:

I think Daz - you dont know what you're talking about.

thats patently obvious!