Saw a bike get creamed going through a red light today

woodford2barbican

gtvlusso wrote:

Nice to see so much concern for the poor person on the bike who was knocked off - for whatever reason.......you bunch of arrogant bastards - "no sympathy etc etc"- what gives you the right to value life so low and judge people when they may require help and assistance? Hope you get knocked off yourself soon you complete bunch of "no sympathy" pricks.

So, lets all start the old RLJ debate again......oh yeah, I am bored of it.

what on earth does having sympathy have to do with helping the ignorant fool? i would wait for the lights to change and then cycle over to ask if he was alright.

Clever Pun

gtvlusso wrote:

Nice to see so much concern for the poor person on the bike who was knocked off - for whatever reason.......you bunch of arrogant bastards - "no sympathy etc etc"- what gives you the right to value life so low and judge people when they may require help and assistance? Hope you get knocked off yourself soon you complete bunch of "no sympathy" pricks.

So, lets all start the old RLJ debate again......oh yeah, I am bored of it.

isn't that much akin to saying "oh that poor shop lifter getting a prison sentence"?

People know the risks they take. it's their own responsibility you take your change you might have to pay.

I have no sympathy, but then I wouldn't expect any either if I'd done what they did

batch78

what gives you the right to value life so low

I think you'll find its the RLJ's who value life so lowly.

Evidently, the majority of us on this thread, have quite a high regard for life and so therefore stop and wait until it is safe to proceed.

Hope you get knocked off yourself soon you complete bunch of "no sympathy" pricks.

Nice use of sympathy and concern yourself, thank you. :roll:

agnello

zeroseven wrote:

Central London. Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. Anyone who ignores red lights should get nicked or knocked off.

whilst jumping a red light is not (always) smart your smug revelling in someone else's injury beggars belief :roll:

boybiker

Round my way the people who jump red lights are the ones who ride on the pavements with no helmets and no lights so it always amazes me that they have survived as long as they have, and its not very surprising when they get squished in some way or other.
I have no sympathy for them, they know the risks.

FlatEssexSociety

My commute takes me from Liverpool Street to Victoria and riding through the city there's a lot of suits on either shite or more-expensive-than-they-need racers. they'll be RLJing and then I'll be sh*tt*ng on them on the go times while asking why they feel the need. Gives us proper bikers a bad name - seems to be all wallet and arrogance and no concern or skill
(and I'm a posh media boyo, so this ain't hating the bankers)

Then, back to Essex. Fules riding along the pavement to and from the station and having a go when you're in their way.

I really really hate bike riders. Cyclists, I can cope with.

:twisted:

lost_in_thought

Come now people, I don't honestly think that anyone who felt that the RLJ-ers 'deserved it' or who 'have no sympathy' would actually stand triumphantly in an intersection while a fellow human is suffering and proclaim 'Ha! You get what's coming to you!'

I think that what the position perhaps is is that RLJ-ing is stupid, and causes accidents from time to time, and most importantly places the cyclist in the wrong in the event of an accident.

Those who do RLJ, from time to time myself included, should be aware of those risks, and in the event that they do have an accident, will have to suffer the consequences having been aware of the position they place themselves in by breaking the law.

Those who are frustrated by the 'no sympathy' approach are not doing themselves proud by name-calling.

FlatEssexSociety

would be nice if there was some kind of natural restriction on the idiocy of pavement riders / RLJers / Shockwave riders.....

:idea: Oh yeah, there is.

Darwinism.

This is why hitting vans hurts. We could also re-introduce wolves to central london to encourage better sprint times.

:P

boybiker

If the guy was hurt then I would help him but I would give him a slap if he started moaning about stupid drivers.

Dudu

zeroseven wrote:

Central London. Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. Anyone who ignores red lights should get nicked or knocked off.

NaturaL selection in action.

FlatEssexSociety

I also firmly believe that bears are attracted by the smell of Halfords.

Please use a lbs equivalent to avoid the danger. :shock:

Bassjunkieuk

FlatEssexSociety wrote:

would be nice if there was some kind of natural restriction on the idiocy of pavement riders / RLJers / Shockwave riders.....

:idea: Oh yeah, there is.

Darwinism.

This is why hitting vans hurts. We could also re-introduce wolves to central london to encourage better sprint times.

:P

Now if only everyone played THE GAME where RLJ is frowned upon and safe riding and speed are encouraged! We'd have a much fitter cycling community who certainly wouldn't hold up traffic as we'd all be going like the clappers away from the lights :-)

biondino

lost_in_thought wrote:

Come now people, I don't honestly think that anyone who felt that the RLJ-ers 'deserved it' or who 'have no sympathy' would actually stand triumphantly in an intersection while a fellow human is suffering and proclaim 'Ha! You get what's coming to you!'

A Bikeradar forum member tends to an injured RLJer, yesterday:

Clever Pun

lost_in_thought wrote:

Come now people, I don't honestly think that anyone who felt that the RLJ-ers 'deserved it' or who 'have no sympathy' would actually stand triumphantly in an intersection while a fellow human is suffering and proclaim 'Ha! You get what's coming to you!'

I think that what the position perhaps is is that RLJ-ing is stupid, and causes accidents from time to time, and most importantly places the cyclist in the wrong in the event of an accident.

Those who do RLJ, from time to time myself included, should be aware of those risks, and in the event that they do have an accident, will have to suffer the consequences having been aware of the position they place themselves in by breaking the law.

Those who are frustrated by the 'no sympathy' approach are not doing themselves proud by name-calling.

such a burd

This is the internet of course people can have no sympathy with something someone saw which has no direct reference to anyone here in all honesty. The internet is all about faceless name calling.

Mad Monkey

I would never RLJ under any circumstances - we can't expect other traffic to show us any respect if we don't respect the law.

Pillocks, all of them.

gtvlusso

Woodford2Barbican and Cleverpun - Were you born thick or is this something you have developed over a period of time?

He or she got knocked off.....maybe seriously injured, has family/children a pet dog....

The prison statement is simply irrelevent and idiotic and nothing to do with this - so I am not sure why it was written - this thread seems to have been hijacked by the "RLJ'ing is bad brigade" because they/you obviously are better people than anyone else and don't RLJ - but have no sympathy or empathy for the injured....no matter what the circumstance?! Nice broken leg/broken pelvis.....you fucking cocks..get off your arrogant high and mighty horses and get a cab to "real street". You would rather kick the downed rider than help he/she out....?

Sadly, as a cyclist, I am somehow linked to your kind....however, I think my gene pool was larger.

dafruk

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

Now if only everyone played THE GAME where RLJ is frowned upon and safe riding and speed are encouraged! We'd have a much fitter cycling community who certainly wouldn't hold up traffic as we'd all be going like the clappers away from the lights :-)

Give this man a banana (here's me hoping this means what I think it does, go on google it and see if you can work out, I couldn't find jack but will still stick to my convictions that I'm right!).

I reckon we should petition downing street to add the game to the highway code as it ensures safe riding!

I would never wish for anyone to get run over, however I do give all rljing people a stern shake of my head in disbelief. I do quite like the suggestion made of shouting "look out" just to see them panic. And I most likely wouldn't go over to help someone that has been hit whilst rljing. i'd just go over to rubberneck like everyone else.

Clever Pun

gtvlusso wrote:

Woodford2Barbican and Cleverpun - Were you born thick or is this something you have developed over a period of time?

He or she got knocked off.....maybe seriously injured, has family/children a pet dog....

The prison statement is simply irrelevent and idiotic and nothing to do with this - so I am not sure why it was written - this thread seems to have been hijacked by the "RLJ'ing is bad brigade" because they/you obviously are better people than anyone else and don't RLJ - but have no sympathy or empathy for the injured....no matter what the circumstance?! Nice broken leg/broken pelvis.....you ******* cocks..get off your arrogant high and mighty horses and get a cab to "real street". You would rather kick the downed rider than help he/she out....?

Sadly, as a cyclist, I am somehow linked to your kind....however, I think my gene pool was larger.

I think it's a fair analogy to be honest you broke the law/did something stupidly risky and you got caught on a base level how does that not work???

real street oh my lol.

If I was there then of course I would help but I wasn't. It's a second hand story on the internet which other than cycling has zero to do with me. The circumstance is that they jumped a light and got ploughed into... nasty as that is what else would you expect to happen?

Edit: biondino

FlatEssexSociety

gtvlusso: calm down dear, it's only an internet forum

People don't like RLJ. It's not nice. It makes the baby Jesus cry.

People also have no direct link to the person involved in this accident. therefore there's no automatic human more for empathy and heartfelt feeling towards the person, their inheritees and their soon to be battersea'd pup.

Unless of course we switch to the new 'People's Princess' mode and have a little public cry over someone we don't know.

To help curtail this, a summary for all -

1. People being hurt is bad
2. RLJ is bad
3. RLJ people are bad
4. BUT, RLJ people being hurt is also bad.
This does not make #2 less so.

If you wanna gamble, fine. But be sure to be a f*ck load faster than me or I will catch you and make you feel small in the pants department with my cunning high speed wit.

PS - not wearing a helmet makes your hair less flat.
:shock:

il_principe

gtvlusso wrote:

Sadly, as a cyclist, I am somehow linked to your kind....however, I think my gene pool was larger.

I doubt it, aren't you from Bristol?

Seriously though, I'm sure we'd all help a downed RLJ'er, doesn't mean we have to be sympathetic though. No one is suggesting they'd cycle off and leave someone bleeding in the middle of the road.

lost_in_thought

Clever Pun wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Come now people, I don't honestly think that anyone who felt that the RLJ-ers 'deserved it' or who 'have no sympathy' would actually stand triumphantly in an intersection while a fellow human is suffering and proclaim 'Ha! You get what's coming to you!'

I think that what the position perhaps is is that RLJ-ing is stupid, and causes accidents from time to time, and most importantly places the cyclist in the wrong in the event of an accident.

Those who do RLJ, from time to time myself included, should be aware of those risks, and in the event that they do have an accident, will have to suffer the consequences having been aware of the position they place themselves in by breaking the law.

Those who are frustrated by the 'no sympathy' approach are not doing themselves proud by name-calling.

such a burd

This is the internet of course people can have no sympathy with something someone saw which has no direct reference to anyone here in all honesty. The internet is all about faceless name calling.

I know, I know...

It just bothers me when people get a bit carried away and start calling each other rude names! Particularly as I've met some of you and none of you seemed like gits.

I am a total burd. Busted. I even had a pedicure this lunchtime. :oops:

FlatEssexSociety

gtvlusso wrote:

because they/you obviously are better people than anyone else and don't RLJ

Sorry can't resist....

next up, John Wayne Gacey :evil: - "People get on their high horse just because they don't dress up as a clown and bury children under their house..."

It's Friday. Pub time very soon and big bike rides for us all tomorrow. super fun

gtvlusso

Everyone breaks the law at somepoint, even if they don't know it - anyone who says they don't break the law at all is simply a liar.

I have evey sympathy for this dude - probably injured and does not need this kinda shit from "know it alls" like you lot.

RLJ - who gives a frig?! Person on their arse in pain - far more important.

woodford2barbican

gtvlusso wrote:

He or she got knocked off.....maybe seriously injured, has family/children a pet dog....

I also have family / children but no pet dog and these are some of the reasons why I do not jump red lights.

Amongst the other reasons are having a life which I value and a not least - it is actually against the law to do so!

It is part of your contract with society to obey by its rules, and also part of society's nature to feel no sympathy if you get hurt failing to abide by those rules.

In the same way that Gary Glitter and the Great Train Robbing gangster get to be treated on the NHS so will the red light jumping idiot. But without very much sympathy from me....

Clever Pun

lost_in_thought wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Come now people, I don't honestly think that anyone who felt that the RLJ-ers 'deserved it' or who 'have no sympathy' would actually stand triumphantly in an intersection while a fellow human is suffering and proclaim 'Ha! You get what's coming to you!'

I think that what the position perhaps is is that RLJ-ing is stupid, and causes accidents from time to time, and most importantly places the cyclist in the wrong in the event of an accident.

Those who do RLJ, from time to time myself included, should be aware of those risks, and in the event that they do have an accident, will have to suffer the consequences having been aware of the position they place themselves in by breaking the law.

Those who are frustrated by the 'no sympathy' approach are not doing themselves proud by name-calling.

such a burd

This is the internet of course people can have no sympathy with something someone saw which has no direct reference to anyone here in all honesty. The internet is all about faceless name calling.

I know, I know...

It just bothers me when people get a bit carried away and start calling each other rude names! Particularly as I've met some of you and none of you seemed like gits.

I am a total burd. Busted. I even had a pedicure this lunchtime. :oops:

I'm waiting for the shaved lot to say they had a pedicure with you... and probably gregt... he looks the type

there's been no name calling yet... this forum is just so damned polite

woodford2barbican

gtvlusso wrote:

RLJ - who gives a frig?! Person on their ars* in pain - far more important.

and how did he get there? If I cut a testicle off with a blunt spoon would you feel sympathy for me or just wince at how it must have hurt?

DonDaddyD

I think that is short sighted and narrow minded. I think its blinkered to dismiss RLJers without consider the why they've chosen to RLJ.

How many accidents involving cyclists happen irrespective of whether a person has RLJ.

Here's a scenario. Red light, cyclists stops another cyclists RLJ's and has clear road ahead of him - he gets to his destination safely. The cyclists who stopped at the red light sets of when the light goes green only to slide across the bonnet of a car that switched lanes - to park, turn left what ever - but didn't indicate, check their blind spot and give the cyclist time to stop or simlply drive past.

Or

The person sets of when the lights go green but finds himself knocked off as his bike is crushed against the curb by a car/bus/van who didn't give him enough room as they try to move off and keep up with the flow of traffic - as was the case with me.

Or

The lights go green the cyclists sets off a motorcyclist shoots past at speed and knocks the cyclist off as they get to close when they speed past.

Or the lights are green and there is a pedestrian stepping out infront of you, you haven't got time to stop and they haven't looked both ways, you crash.

See the point is there are many variables outside the control of the cyclist that could be the cause of an accident regardless of whether the cyclists sticks to the law or not. I think its a little too preachy and arrogant to simply dismiss RLJers as fools or claim that they deserve what they get when an accident occurs because on the other hand an accident can so easily happen because a person hasn't RLJ and stayed with traffic.

Now I don't condone RLJing, even though I might do it, what I do is show compassion to all my fellow cyclists regardless of whether 'its their fault or not' I see a cyclist stopped at the side of the road looking slightly distressed, I stop and the first thing I say/ask is "Are you ok?"

FlatEssexSociety

Quote "RLJ - who gives a frig?! Person on their ars* in pain - far more important."

hmmm.

Cause - RLJ

Effect - Person on their ars* in pain

us taking the moral high ground - Priceless

Mastercard.....

gtvlusso

What planet are you from Woodford?

Is it the planet "dontgiveashit"?

gtvlusso

Ah - so it does matter to you how it happened rather than someone was injured!!!!!!!!!!!!
FES - you really are a martyr for humanity....