Harmon & Sherwen
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Kelly is ok he may over use "certainly" but its a small price to pay for his insights, I'm even warming to Emma Davies, but Harmon is to interested in his own voice, how many times have i tried to listen to a rider interview at the end of a stage & he talks over it about some totally inane thing0
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Im away from home and I missed Harmon & Kelly, they are much better than the itv boys.
also how long did it take for itv4 to notice that Vande Velde had been dropped by the yellow jersey group ?0 -
How about Sean Kelly alone?
Minus the wittering fools, it'd be the most informative way to watch a stage. Sherwen can't string a sentence together and Liggett's just a t*@t.
Emma D-J asks too many questions....sorry was that another question Emma? Can't tell because of that forced inflection at the end of your sentences....
Kimmage? Turning his hand to commentary: " He's a charger...", " He's a charger...", " He's a charger...", " He's a charger..." ad infinitum...0 -
kellys heroes wrote:almost forgot...did anyone else here him calling samuel sanchez of Euskatel ...SAMMY
Sanchez for christ sake.....how many spanish feckers are known as Sammy. ???
waiting on the Schlek brothers getting called the SCHLECKYS......suppose its better on Eurosport tho i have not heard Harmon saying a "WEENY" bit yet any takers ?? lol ....it bugs me that ITV$ is for a British audience yet they are allowed to have commentators who pander to the americans with their crap patter and crap references to appease those bloody yanks....rant over
Eh?? He's not referring to him as "Sammy" because his surname's Sanchez! It's because his christian name is Samuel!! It's like callimg Frank Schleck "Frankie". Don't see anything wrong with this, you're grasping at straws on this one.0 -
i actually registered just for this... but did I really just hear Paul Sherwen say that they'd used hydroelectricity in the alps for 200 years?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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It's possible you heard almost anything with Sherwen, however most likely is "Heads of State."
He also mentioned gold mines several times without letting on that he owns one in South Africa. It's a right little gold mine, arf.0 -
it was actually 2000 years he blathered. I rewound the sky + just to test my disbelief.
Plus his "downhill all the way" on the croix de fer... apart from that bloody big uphill bit in the middle eh?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Harmon is very good . Haven't heard him this year , but didn 't I hear him do very good on the spot translations from the Italian on last years Giro ? I expect he does French too . Impressive .
I tend to groan inwardly when Emma Davis pipes up and wonder to myself : ' why ' ?
Kelly ? Can 't knock the lad . Apart , that is , from ' koo - nay - go ' and so on . He skewers the English language too . But that's his birthright as an Irishman .
Ligget and Sherwen ? Well , they were there right at the start on C4 and deserve Oscars for keeping up the patter all these years . For some reason I think ' Blue Peter ' every time I hear / see them now . But , good lads , really .
I think Gary Imlach is priceless - well , at least a million dollar contract - and the very best reason - aside from having no option - for watching the highlights on ITV4 . I wouldn 't miss at all Ned Boulting and Chris Boardman and would prefer to watch the ad's when they're on .
BTW , I think I caught Phil Ligget - in Murray Walker mode - uttering ' Cheeky ' ; ' Kee-chi ' ; ' Chee-chee ' when Chichi ( Kee - kee ) was showing some form a few days ago .
Wonderful .
I also wish there were more breezy moments where the podium girls struggle mightily to keep their dresses over their legs ."Lick My Decals Off, Baby"0 -
Im just pleased we can complain about both sets of commentators,as it means cycling is on T.V. more
did any one hear Sean say the other day that one of the riders had a new chinese doctor win wone soon
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mercsport wrote:He skewers the English language too . But that's his birthright as an Irishman .
For some reason - entirely irrational I know - it annoys the hell out of me when Kelly says "tortie" for thirty. Tirty I could accept, but not tortie!
"He's tortie-tree seconds ahead"
"He's now tortie years old"
"Tortie km to go"
The SoB NEVER misses an opportunity to say it. I am beginning to suspect that its some kind of subliminal / viral advertising thing.....0 -
Can anyone please explain to me Paul Sherwen's fascination with "'Julian Dean the Kiwi National champion".
He seems to get more mentions than anyone else and as all the cycling I've watched wins f*** all.
Am I missing something here?
Is he just a nice bloke?All my life I've wanted to be someone; I guess I should have been more specific.0 -
The ITV coverage is sold to Australia, NZ, South Africa, USA, etc so they have to keep mentioning local riders.
Dean, Hunter, McEwen, etc are always dropped-into the commentary, whether relevant or not0 -
I think andy_wrx provides the proper explanation - my pet theory is that Dean's jersey is easy to spot so Sherwen can actually name a rider correctly for once.
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I like the old clips from my youth of the C4 coverage, Sherwen sounds much more northern and much more animated/enthusiastic. My wife liked his commentary on the 1989 Champs Elysees TT so much on that 20 Greatest Tour Moments* she asked "who's that, he's good" and couldn't believe it was Sherwen as he normally drives her round the bend.
Ligget and Sherwen have definitely got less instinctive with time.
I'm hoping Emma Davies grows into the role a bit with time on Eurosport. I think Kelly is the best thing on TV and I think Harmon is competent.
*Funny how Armstrong ended up with several moments, the git(s).0 -
I do have a bit of sympathy for them given the amount of commentary they have to provide.
However I'm getting a little tired of people "Dancing on the pedals" because this reference used to require a certain amount of panache or level of effort rather than just being out of the saddle.
Likewise to the "little man with the big heart" a reference I remember being used as far back as Robert Millar but it probably goes further.
I'm also getting annoyed with the reference to "this bike race" and people "deciding they want to go"
Oh yes and to the metaphorical discussions that seem to happen. For example "Sastre has said to Evans, if you want to win this bike race, you need to keep up with me" OK I made that up but you get the idea.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
mercsport wrote:Kelly ? Can 't knock the lad . Apart , that is , from ' koo - nay - go ' and so on . He skewers the English language too . But that's his birthright as an Irishman .
Sean's alright. And he exhibits occasional moments of humour.
Mind you, his pronunciation of "Piepoli" is particularly Duffieldian - "Peepholey" or something like that. Several of the commentators also have trouble with "Hushovdt" which, it seems to me, is pronounced exactly as it's written.0 -
Speaking of pronunciation... I watched the ITV4 highlights earlier this afternoon and couldn't get my head around Sherwen's "Hurt Steggemans".
I know that's probably the correct Flemish pronunciation, but it did sound a tad pretentious.0 -
Sherwen has become particularly irritating with his cliched commentary. I want to scream every time he refers "the Heads of State" assembling, like he's at a Euro summit or something. The section where he and Ligget respond to viewers emails is, frankly, embarassing. Smashy and Nicey indeed.
Harmon and Kelly are a good combination. Harmon enthusiastic and knowledgable and Kelly knowledgable also and full of insights into tactics and particular riders abilities. Even his "Kellyisms" have more charm than annoyance.
Eurosport's commitment to covering road racing is commendable. It would hardly be seen on British TV otherwise.0 -
Ligget and Sherwin should retire gracefully.....as someone said on here,they are the Smashy and Nicey of Cycling....you want to put your foot through the TV when sherwen starts his shite - DENNY Menchov FFS oh and SAMMY sanchez Aaaargh shut the F*%$ up you twat.....what gets me is this is a BRITISH TV channel but they are using AMERICANISMS yjust to pander to those annoying yanks..ooh and its BIG george hincapie or BIG danny Pate are you trying to tell us something paul ??? Liggett is getting like Duffield you can see riders attacking and he cant spot the riders....BOARDMAN and NED Boulting are a waste of time....BOARDMAN has as much personality as CAVENDISH...christ imagine being marooned with those 2 bores on an island.......Eurosport is far better...KELLY is a GOD he will prob be the 1st to admit he`s a commentator and he cant help calling 3rd place TURD he s from the deep south of Ireland....emma davies is a wee bit annoying as is Harmon a WEENY bit.but overall its a better show..i hope they bin Tony Gibb got the impression he was trying to upstage Stephen Roche...roche never misses an opportunity to mention when i won the Tour in 87 eh lol 0
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Indeed. Just reading that I can almost hear Sherwen's voice.dulldave wrote:I'm also getting annoyed with … the metaphorical discussions that seem to happen. For example "Sastre has said to Evans, if you want to win this bike race, you need to keep up with me" OK I made that up but you get the idea.0 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:Ligget and Sherwin should retire gracefully.....as someone said on here,they are the Smashy and Nicey of Cycling....you want to put your foot through the TV when sherwen starts his shite - DENNY Menchov FFS oh and SAMMY sanchez Aaaargh shut the F*%$ up you fool.....what gets me is this is a BRITISH TV channel but they are using AMERICANISMS yjust to pander to those annoying yanks..ooh and its BIG george hincapie or BIG danny Pate are you trying to tell us something paul ??? Liggett is getting like Duffield you can see riders attacking and he cant spot the riders....BOARDMAN and NED Boulting are a waste of time....BOARDMAN has as much personality as CAVENDISH...christ imagine being marooned with those 2 bores on an island.......Eurosport is far better...KELLY is a GOD he will prob be the 1st to admit he`s a commentator and he cant help calling 3rd place junk he s from the deep south of Ireland....emma davies is a wee bit annoying as is Harmon a WEENY bit.but overall its a better show..i hope they bin Tony Gibb got the impression he was trying to upstage Stephen Roche...roche never misses an opportunity to mention when i won the Tour in 87 eh lol
Calm down man - isnt your HRM beeping away ?
They pronounce Denny in the French way I thought ? Nothing Yank there ? And I think the only reason we are getting so much coverage is that the costs are at least partly shared with the rest of the English speaking world - so Liggett and Sherwen go out to the US, SA, and Australia.0 -
I enjoy both channels coverage. I prefer Eurosport but with being in work and having a family I haven't got the time to watch all their coverage every day. So the ITV 1hour slot was quite good in that that's the only time I had spare most of the time. Given the choice though I would quite happily sit there all afternoon and listen to Kelly and Harmin - I think they are great and add some atmosphere to the whole proceedings.
I was so glad Sastre won, after watching Overcoming ages ago he seems a genuinely nice bloke and that Alp D'uez stage was superb.All my life I've wanted to be someone; I guess I should have been more specific.0 -
I also used to listen to Liggett/Sherwen before Eurosport and I too now find them almost unlistenable-to (if that's grammatically ok...).
David Harmon does a good job - constant commentary which generally entertains and cetainly informs over 3 -5 hours for 3 weeks is no mean feat. Kelly is the perfect foil and if anybody thinks he is useless, shove his palmares where it hurts....
Keep it up David - no complaints here.
Brian Smith is, however, also an easy commentator and should be used, if poss, more often.
Did you catch Dave Millar's comments after his TT on Saturday - he speaks well live.Spring!
Singlespeeds in town rule.0 -
However correct the French pronunciation may have been, calling him "Denny" Menchov annoyed the arse out of me.
Other things that Paul Sherwen did that annoyed me during the Tour...
(*) That stupid witch doctor curse thing in Swahili.
(*) Prefixed "George Hincapie" with "Big" all the time.
(*) Always referred to the Tour as the "head of the bike race"
(*) Started every sentance with "...well Phil".
grrrrrrr
Eurosport wins hands down. And Harmon's column on Protournews was worth a read too.0 -
jimmythecuckoo wrote:However correct the French pronunciation may have been, calling him "Denny" Menchov annoyed the ars* out of me.
Other things that Paul Sherwen did that annoyed me during the Tour...
(*) That stupid witch doctor curse thing in Swahili.
(*) Prefixed "George Hincapie" with "Big" all the time.
(*) Always referred to the Tour as the "head of the bike race"
(*) Started every sentance with "...well Phil".
grrrrrrr
Eurosport wins hands down. And Harmon's column on Protournews was worth a read too.
Dont forget his "big Thor Hushovd" and his oberservation of "well Phil if big Jens Voigt wasnt a cyclist......he would be a boxer" .
Also to add all these conversations the riders have between each other such as "cmon my mate get on the front and push the pace". The use of "my mate" in that way i have to say annoys the hell out of me :evil:0 -
".... in the sport of professional cycling.............."
aggghhhh!!!!
FFS Sherwen I would guess that everyone watching the programme knows<font>"Tongue sandwiches? Bleah! Eat what? But it\'s been in somebody else\'s mouth"</font>0 -
...and another thing. What IS it with Sherwen and Liggett dressing the same for their 20 second piece to camera?
I'm sure their commentary box is small but they always seem to be sat very close to each other too. I half expect to see them holding hands one day."Impressive break"
"Thanks...
...I can taste blood"0 -
noggincp wrote:".... in the sport of professional cycling.............."
aggghhhh!!!!
FFS Sherwen I would guess that everyone watching the programme knows
I've lost count the number of times he said that, plus "...Heads of State..."
BUT,
Imagine it on BBC, a 2 hour round up a week after it finishes.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
noggincp wrote:".... in the sport of professional cycling.............."
aggghhhh!!!!
FFS Sherwen I would guess that everyone watching the programme knows
As in
"...Well sadly Phil, that is 'l'echappe terminee' and we are once again 'Grrrruppa Compatto!' as the italians say because the escape has been caught as the sprinters' teams try to take control of the front of this bike race. I'm glad to say the computer was wrong, it thought the catch would happen around the 15km mark but by giving it his all today he's stayed away to the last and that really is what this wonderful sport of professional bike racing is all about..."
oh and if in doubt drop in a factoid from the parcours press release -
"...and now the peleton are passing through the delightful village of [name] where the church was originally a cathar stronghold built around 900 AD and was subsequently used by local farmers as a ....blather blather blather"
Sound familiar? At least a pretty decent drinking game could be constructed from it
Fat people are so insensitive0 -
The one that used to drive me round the twist and had me dancing round the room in annonyance was "This is the man Phil, the man with the big diesel engine, the man who is the champion of Germany, the man they call Jan Ullrich!" Well Paul. HE'S CALLED JAN ULLRICH BECAUSE THAT IS HIS NAME YOU PRAT.
Regular visitors will know that I've a particular aversion to that old line.0
