Stage 10 - "Spoiler"

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  • shannyla wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    GO CADEL!!!

    Go to the back and lose a hour. I wish he'd fall off again.

    As long as he got the yellow when we get to the time trial who cares what you say!

    Nothing like whining like a true champion... oh I'm sorry I seem to have added an h and left out an n, no wait, its right after all.
    if you cant appricate his tallents well your not much of a Cycling fan

    of course theres never been a rider in the history of the TDF who's 'whined' as you put it - stop being such a child!!!

    It will be tough as we have two weeks to go and anything is possible
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Hey Iain, is that a slipstreamsports-mexican food rider in third place. Whaddyasay?

    Good ride. He's doing really well.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    Adieu wrote:
    I hate Evans. :evil:

    Come on Frank.

    So say we all... Apart from Austrailians and other unfortunates...

    I hope the pox-faced midget crashes again, on his right hand side this time.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    So who else was supposed to lead it? Sastre and Ricco had team mates up the road, Vande Velde was spent, and Menchov was sharing the pace making.

    Props to Bernard Kohl - He's got 99 problems but climbing mountains isn't one.

    Go Frank!!!
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    shannyla wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    GO CADEL!!!

    Go to the back and lose a hour. I wish he'd fall off again.

    As long as he got the yellow when we get to the time trial who cares what you say!

    Nothing like whining like a true champion... oh I'm sorry I seem to have added an h and left out an n, no wait, its right after all.
    if you cant appricate his tallents well your not much of a Cycling fan

    of course theres never been a rider in the history of the TDF who's 'whined' as you put it - stop being such a child!!!

    It will be tough as we have two weeks to go and anything is possible

    Ever met Evans? I have when I was an MTB photographer and he whined then. Doubt he's changed much. Had no flair then either.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    shannyla wrote:
    Adieu wrote:
    I hate Evans. :evil:

    Come on Frank.

    So say we all... Apart from Austrailians and other unfortunates...

    I hope the pox-faced midget crashes again, on his right hand side this time.

    [sarcasm]Yeah, I'm just glad those Saunier boys can stick it to him in the mountains to show how a real grimpeur climbs![/sarcasm]
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  • Adieu wrote:
    I hate Evans. :evil:

    Come on Frank.
    funny most of the riders like Cadel - go figure

    GOD some people are pathetic!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    So, Evans has a crash which most of us would have used as a reason to pull a sickie. Then he leads his group up the Hautacam, claims the yellow jersey and reduces his rivals to three - a damn good day all round. But no, people complain that he doesn't shoot off up the road like some turbo charged Eddy Merckx.

    It was a great day for Sastre and Menchov to attack him, and they didn't even try.
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  • oily sailor
    oily sailor Posts: 235
    RichN95 wrote:
    So, Evans has a crash which most of us would have used as a reason to pull a sickie. Then he leads his group up the Hautacam, claims the yellow jersey and reduces his rivals to three - a damn good day all round. But no, people complain that he doesn't shoot off up the road like some turbo charged Eddy Merckx.

    It was a great day for Sastre and Menchov to attack him, and they didn't even try.

    But there's no panache. When Ricco attacked yesterday I was out of my seat whooping like a vicar. When Evans is on the screen all I can do is wonder if mountain bikers still wear those "No Fear" t-shirts.
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    edited July 2008
    Road racing is about character, brio, elan... not about treating the TdF like an accounting convention in Basingstoke.

    I'll give Evans props for getting back up after a little slide, but he sadly fails in every other respect, and he is just so very unlikable if that's even a word...

    That's how I see it.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    16'51" later and only 51 riders have finished according to letour.fr. Could be a few HDs today...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    But if Evans had attacked like Ricco yesterday, he would have been chased down in seconds.
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    How was Cavendish doing after his crash?
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    RichN95 wrote:
    But if Evans had attacked like Ricco yesterday, he would have been chased down in seconds.

    And he wouldn't have been able to deliver his end of quarter sales figures to the ceo, cfo, fo and sfa in time...
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    But there's no panache. When Ricco attacked yesterday I was out of my seat whooping like a vicar. When Evans is on the screen all I can do is wonder if mountain bikers still wear those "No Fear" t-shirts.

    What a splendid image, reverend! And the answer to your question is:

    Most likely, yes. Feel the Burn to the Max!
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    shannyla wrote:
    Road racing is about character, brio, elan... not about treating the TdF like an accounting convention in Basingstoke.

    I'll give Evans props for getting back up after a little slide, but he sadly fails in every other respect, and he is just so very unlikable if that's even a word...

    That's how I see it.

    Can you post a youtube link to the last GT you rode with panache and elan? No? Oh, OK.

    Could it possibly be that Evans might want to attack (or indeed, be in a position to send someone up the road to set off the fireworks) but can't?

    You don't have to like the guy (I don't), but a smidgeon of respect wouln't go amiss.
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    shannyla wrote:
    Road racing is about character, brio, elan... not about treating the TdF like an accounting convention in Basingstoke.

    I'll give Evans props for getting back up after a little slide, but he sadly fails in every other respect, and he is just so very unlikable if that's even a word...

    That's how I see it.

    I agree with this. From Evans's POV, he played it well today. Rode at the front when he had to. Didn't panic when the attacks came and rode at his own steady tempo. Very sensible, very tactically astute.

    But that doesn't make for a good spectacle. It's like when Greece won Euro 2004 with four 1-0 victories. They used their attributes well, ground out the wins with dogged defending. Fair play. But everyone knows it was godawfully dull to watch and no-one was afraid to say so.

    However, Cadel is in a difficult position now. Defending the jersey for two weeks. All that extra pressure, all those media interviews. And we all know what happened the last time he led a grand tour...
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    I have no right to take part in this debate. My pick for stage and GC, Devolder, finished 14mins down :shock:
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  • Pirahna
    Pirahna Posts: 1,315
    calvjones wrote:
    You don't have to like the guy (I don't), but a smidgeon of respect wouln't go amiss.

    Why?
  • avoidingmyphd
    avoidingmyphd Posts: 1,154
    ON my fuzzy internet stream, I thought that Evans' attack achieved more than people are giving him credit for. It came just as Kirchen seemed likely to pace himself back up into the same group - and left him behind. Most (all?) of the other people in the group were soon back on Evans' wheel, but the attack distanced the yellow jersey.

    OK, distancing Kirchen is not that impressive, but why do you all expect Evans to attack the others unnecessarily? Why aren't you all moaning that Menchov and Sastre just wheelsucked Evans all the way up? He's gonna beat them in the time trial. If they want to win, they should attack. But no, Evans is the wheelsucker!

    He may have miscalculated in letting Schleck go so far up the road. But he did attack the rider he thought needed attacking.
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    calvjones wrote:
    Can you post a youtube link to the last GT you rode with panache and elan? No? Oh, OK.

    Last time I looked (hold on, just checking again... nope still the case) I wasn't being presented in the press and media as one of the favourites to win a GT... or indeed even entered.

    Were I entered and the main favourite for said race I would at least aspire (perspire..? whatever...) to ride with those values.

    Evans is as boring as Indurain without his likeability and I can't believe I'm actually writing this last bit, his charisma.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Pirahna wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    You don't have to like the guy (I don't), but a smidgeon of respect wouln't go amiss.

    Why?

    Um... cos he's a pro bike rider, and a good one?
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  • Pirahna
    Pirahna Posts: 1,315
    calvjones wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    You don't have to like the guy (I don't), but a smidgeon of respect wouln't go amiss.

    Why?

    Um... cos he's a pro bike rider, and a good one?

    There are lots of good pro bike riders. I'd go as far to say that they're all a lot better at cycling than me. Doesn't mean I have to respect them.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    shannyla wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    Can you post a youtube link to the last GT you rode with panache and elan? No? Oh, OK.

    Were I entered and the main favourite for said race I would at least aspire (perspire..? whatever...) to ride with those values.

    I'd aspire to win first.

    These riders all had some panache: Pantani, Heras, Basso, Ullrich, Landis, Vinokourov, Hamilton.

    Evans doesn't have panache.

    I prefer Evans (although I liked Ullirch)
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  • oily sailor
    oily sailor Posts: 235
    Heras didn't have panache, he had hairy arms.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Pirahna wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    You don't have to like the guy (I don't), but a smidgeon of respect wouln't go amiss.

    Why?

    Um... cos he's a pro bike rider, and a good one?

    There are lots of good pro bike riders. I'd go as far to say that they're all a lot better at cycling than me. Doesn't mean I have to respect them.

    Fair enough. I do though. Even Ricco, the little swine.

    I do this on the basis that if I ever had to ride a GT, I'd whinge more in a day than Evans could over three weeks even if he entered a wacky Dr. Who cloning machine and had a hundred Evans' synchronized speed-whining.
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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    thank goodness Evans held it together today...he could win the TDF? he has crashed and so has no need to attack as he can out TT any of them. Go on cadel...no need an emphatic win, just a win...not the ET displays by the winner yesterday
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Evans is not there to put on a show, he's there to win.

    People seem to think he's some cabaret artist, ready to pull rabbits out of helmets, maybe play the harmonica as he rides along before launching suicide attacks. But instead, he's trying to win the race, giving his all and making the most of his abilities. What else can he do?
  • shannyla
    shannyla Posts: 28
    calvjones wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    Pirahna wrote:
    calvjones wrote:
    You don't have to like the guy (I don't), but a smidgeon of respect wouln't go amiss.

    Why?

    Um... cos he's a pro bike rider, and a good one?

    There are lots of good pro bike riders. I'd go as far to say that they're all a lot better at cycling than me. Doesn't mean I have to respect them.

    Fair enough. I do though. Even Ricco, the little swine.

    I do this on the basis that if I ever had to ride a GT, I'd whinge more in a day than Evans could over three weeks even if he entered a wacky Dr. Who cloning machine and had a hundred Evans' synchronized speed-whining.

    No Jim! Ye cannae break the laws of WhinePhysics like that! Evans is held together with string and bogies... that his mum wipes from his nose each evening...
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Kléber wrote:
    Evans is not there to put on a show, he's there to win.

    People seem to think he's some cabaret artist, ready to pull rabbits out of helmets, maybe play the harmonica as he rides along before launching suicide attacks. But instead, he's trying to win the race, giving his all and making the most of his abilities. What else can he do?

    well said Kleber,,respect to Evans...I think he will be better in the Alps as he is a diesel and the TTs will be where he wins