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wolfsbane2k

rower63 wrote:

rower63 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

... depends on what kind of cycling you want and your tolerance of vehicle on bike accidents.

yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in non-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales across Europe.

oops I wrote that the wrong way around, I meant to write:
yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in with-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with non-cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales

Interesting - being lazy , have you any links?

rower63

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

rower63 wrote:

rower63 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

... depends on what kind of cycling you want and your tolerance of vehicle on bike accidents.

yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in non-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales across Europe.

oops I wrote that the wrong way around, I meant to write:
yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in with-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with non-cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales

Interesting - being lazy , have you any links?

I haven't, or at least I didn't save any unfortunately. Out of curiosity one afternoon in around 2010 I thought to myself it's such a truism that segregated networks are safer, I wonder if there are any academic papers demonstrating it. What I found surprised me and included, IIRC, Holland, Denmark and all the likely European candidates. They mostly didn't try to explain WHY, but I speculate that it's because in a segregated network, you have to negotiate 2 sets of rules which necessarily come together at junctions, and junctions is where the vast majority of incidents will occur.
I subsequently read that similar studies for US and Canadian-based locations returned inconclusive results, ie the numbers indicated neither obviously more nor less safe.

wolfsbane2k

rower63 wrote:

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

rower63 wrote:

rower63 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

... depends on what kind of cycling you want and your tolerance of vehicle on bike accidents.

yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in non-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales across Europe.

oops I wrote that the wrong way around, I meant to write:
yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in with-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with non-cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales

Interesting - being lazy , have you any links?

I haven't, or at least I didn't save any unfortunately. Out of curiosity one afternoon in around 2010 I thought to myself it's such a truism that segregated networks are safer, I wonder if there are any academic papers demonstrating it. What I found surprised me and included, IIRC, Holland, Denmark and all the likely European candidates. They mostly didn't try to explain WHY, but I speculate that it's because in a segregated network, you have to negotiate 2 sets of rules which necessarily come together at junctions, and junctions is where the vast majority of incidents will occur.
I subsequently read that similar studies for US and Canadian-based locations returned inconclusive results, ie the numbers indicated neither obviously more nor less safe.

in my memory sticks a nugget that there are more incidents per KM travelled, because there are many more cyclists of varied capability, so the number of KM cycled goes up - but what changes though, is the proportion of Serious to Minor goes down. - ie more scratches, than broken bones, and significantly less fatals.

Now I'm going to have to go dig...

rick_chasey

rower63 wrote:

rower63 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

... depends on what kind of cycling you want and your tolerance of vehicle on bike accidents.

yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in non-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales across Europe.

oops I wrote that the wrong way around, I meant to write:
yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in with-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with non-cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales

Self selecting, surely?

If very few people cycle etc.

rower63

Rick Chasey wrote:

rower63 wrote:

rower63 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

... depends on what kind of cycling you want and your tolerance of vehicle on bike accidents.

yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in non-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales across Europe.

oops I wrote that the wrong way around, I meant to write:
yes, the evidence suggests you get more KSIs per distance cycled in with-cycle-lane infrastructures than you do with non-cycle-lane infrastructures ... that conclusion has been reached in paper after paper comparing locales

Self selecting, surely?
If very few people cycle etc.

I can't remember the details but I remember being impressed that they were serious studies that controlled for all the obvious biases. I was skeptical too but I completely changed my mind once I'd got through the sixth one or so with the same conclusion.

rick_chasey

Have to say, my immediate reaction is why on earth would that be the case.

Seems so counter intuitive.

awavey

is it my imagination but when its cold you get a real sense of how much rubbish cars chuck out their exhausts, its just a car will overtake or pull away after stopping in front of me and you get a face full of fumes which just seems to hang about in the cold air and inevitably coincides with you taking a deep lungful at some point, and its really triggering my asthma which is already not liking the colder air much

asprilla

Rick Chasey wrote:

Have to say, my immediate reaction is why on earth would that be the case.

Seems so counter intuitive.

Most accidents occur when you transition from segregated infrastructure to either non-segregated or no infrastructure. Consequently, if you don't have infrastructure then you don't have transitions.

Can't remember the name of the chap (cycling infrastructure expert / writer / vehicular cyclist) who generally uses these studies in his work.

wolfsbane2k

awavey wrote:

is it my imagination but when its cold you get a real sense of how much rubbish cars chuck out their exhausts, its just a car will overtake or pull away after stopping in front of me and you get a face full of fumes which just seems to hang about in the cold air and inevitably coincides with you taking a deep lungful at some point, and its really triggering my asthma which is already not liking the colder air much

Nope, I can't find the study/example, but I recall that exhaust management systems typically stop working below 10c to prevent damage to the engine, so instead they throw it out the back.

rower63

Asprilla wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Have to say, my immediate reaction is why on earth would that be the case.

Seems so counter intuitive.

Most accidents occur when you transition from segregated infrastructure to either non-segregated or no infrastructure. Consequently, if you don't have infrastructure then you don't have transitions. ....

Yes. I can immediately think of a couple of just such risky spots on my commute route:

If I take the segregated bit over Kingston Bridge heading in to Kingston from Hampton Wick, the segregated bit spits you out into the left lane just at the entrance to the underpass. Most riders take a quick look and filter in. I rarely take the bike lane there, but on glancing over my shoulder as I approached the exit once when I did, there was a scaffolding lorry right there. I braked sharply and stopped, but others might not have done.

Another one is when taking the bike lane along Priory Lane heading towards Richmond Park Roehampton Gate. The bike lane just stops at Bank Lane, and It's not clear what you're expected to do then. What most people actually do is await a suitable gap, ahead of time, in any oncoming traffic to swerve across the road back into the left road-lane. If there's someone going fast in the same direction in that lane you might not see them and bam!

wolfsbane2k

Locked up at a "Form over function" bike stand last night - one that looked like a penny farthing, only the seat is a protruding loop of metal that looks like it's intended to be used for locking up to.

Cue someone else trying to lock their bike up to the other side of it, and moving my bike around , scratching the absolute hell out of the top tube paintwork on that protudance, including introducing 2 nice through to metal chips.

Not happy.

wolfsbane2k

Just realised that this winter's Love to Ride winter wheelers competition is limited to councils that have paid it - the last few years it's been open to all comers, with specific prizes for those in paying council areas, and I've been recording my mileage on that daily, but I'm out of zone.

And there I was hoping for a chance at a new jacket or some such freebie.

pangolin

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

Just realised that this winter's Love to Ride winter wheelers competition is limited to councils that have paid it - the last few years it's been open to all comers, with specific prizes for those in paying council areas, and I've been recording my mileage on that daily, but I'm out of zone.

And there I was hoping for a chance at a new jacket or some such freebie.

Can you see a list of the funded communities anywhere?

wolfsbane2k

pangolin wrote:

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

Just realised that this winter's Love to Ride winter wheelers competition is limited to councils that have paid it - the last few years it's been open to all comers, with specific prizes for those in paying council areas, and I've been recording my mileage on that daily, but I'm out of zone.

And there I was hoping for a chance at a new jacket or some such freebie.

Can you see a list of the funded communities anywhere?

Not that I've seen, but if you put your address into your profile it will then tell you if you are, or aren't in the area.

timothyw

Fed up of the relentless product placement/promotion on a facebook cycling group I'm a member of.

I get it, you are very happy with your branded cyclewear that features the group logo.

Enough already.

jgsi

TimothyW wrote:

Fed up of the relentless product placement/promotion on a facebook cycling group I'm a member of.

I get it, you are very happy with your branded cyclewear that features the group logo.

Enough already.

You need to get out of Cyclechat quickly before it is too late!

kingstonian

Getting properly annoyed with people at work who see the fact that we are approaching a Christmas break as a reason to do bugger all except talk garbage, eat mince pies and then talk more garbage

drhaggis

My leisure wednesday rides are cursed. FFS.

Finished stuff early two wednesdays ago, went for a quick ride before picking Haggis Jr from aftterschool club, but it all got ruined by a fairy visit.

Today I stayed up until 2.30 am to clear the morning backlog and then go to my club's ride. Lovely day, 7 degrees, sunny, almost no wind. But then, 10 miles west of Edinburgh, starting a short descent after a hump on a shady area, we found ourselves on a road completely covered by ice. Me and the colleague next to me hit the deck. I got a swollen thigh and a bruise on my right hip, plus a graze on the other side (how?). But my mate fared much worse. Couldn't cycle at all, and we ended up calling an ambulance in case he had a fracture.

I'm not cycling on boxing day.

itboffin

Kingstonian wrote:

Getting properly annoyed with people at work who see the fact that we are approaching a Christmas break as a reason to do bugger all except talk garbage, eat mince pies and then talk more garbage

why? life is waaaay too short enjoy it while you can and Christmas is a great excuse, the rest of the year mind you work like a demon

awavey

Kingstonian wrote:

Getting properly annoyed with people at work who see the fact that we are approaching a Christmas break as a reason to do bugger all except talk garbage, eat mince pies and then talk more garbage

its bad enough during the year theres like a little table of food people bring in when its their birthdays, thats right behind my desk so Im constantly being remined its there, but this christmas its like half the deli & snack counter of Tesco has turned up, and they just spend all day snacking from it.

Ive been so tempted to turn round and ask one of them "do you not eat properly" because they are dipping into this stuff every flippin hour of the day, I mean clearly not because they never put on any weight from it, whereas I know if I even so much as took a nibble of some of that stuff, Id put on half a stone.

drhaggis

Pretty sure you're gaining weight just from looking at it...

awavey

DrHaggis wrote:

Pretty sure you're gaining weight just from looking at it...

Im convinced Im absorbing calories just from the smell

jgsi

1 30 pm and I ve had it with one user who just cannot grasp how to change his windows domain password correctly.
Given it to someone else to do.
These idiots are in charge of departments on stupid money, yet.....
Of course it is all IT s fault... blame culture, pass it on.

redvee

Out on the lash for a meal and drinks with friends and have been messaging a girl from work with some banter throughout the night. It turns out she was out too and in the bar we usually go in at the end of the night and it was too late for me to join her for a drink as her OH was on his way to collect her. Would have been nice to see her dressed up away from work but found out too late.

thistle_

Bought some nice thick winter gloves last year when they were on sale, currently cost £40 so not cheap. Bit bulky but lovely and warm so they only get used when it's really cold.
I washed them on Monday after a particularly filthy ride and one of them has fallen to bits and I think is beyond repair.

By contrast the cheap btwin ones are still fine.

cruff

JGSI wrote:

1 30 pm and I ve had it with one user who just cannot grasp how to change his windows domain password correctly.
Given it to someone else to do.
These idiots are in charge of departments on stupid money, yet.....
Of course it is all IT s fault... blame culture, pass it on.

Four words:
Self
Service
Password
Reset

awavey

I dont normally ride on saturdays as Im busy doing other stuff so Id forgotten how much the roads are still full of complete ***** :evil:

two of the more notable ones were close passed by a bus,close & fast enough I had to catch the wobble caused by the draft of it, who had the whole other side of the road with no traffic to complete his move.

and then a BMW estate, not sure if it was a punishment pass, or they were just that crazy & impatient, but although the road is technically NSL, it still has pedestrian island pinch points, but nice straight bit of road with good sight lines and I only ride about half a mile before I turn off on the country roads. But as I got to one of these pinch points with cant have been much more than a cars length space in front of me and I could hear the car approaching, this BMW estate decided they werent going to ease off and went for the gap...pretty sure they must have clouted part of the kerb as the car bounced, though frankly I think I was more focussed on doing my best to avoid them and hoping there wasnt someone behind them following them through at the same time, as often seems to happen IME

Ill be fitting my camera to the weekend bike too from now on

jgsi

Cruff wrote:

JGSI wrote:

1 30 pm and I ve had it with one user who just cannot grasp how to change his windows domain password correctly.
Given it to someone else to do.
These idiots are in charge of departments on stupid money, yet.....
Of course it is all IT s fault... blame culture, pass it on.

Four words:
Self
Service
Password
Reset

Depends on your userbase. If mine had inplants they'd still screw up logging in.
Job for life though.

CiB

Am in providing cover for something I'm not too familiar with, and IT Infrastructure have decided that the best thing to accompany work today is a projector onto a big screen showing some goadawful American animated Christmas film. I don't want to and can't see it but the soundtrack is abysmal; shouting, over-excited bad voice acting, 'exciting' music score, bang crash wallop sound effects etc. I wouldn't inflict this on kids, yet a bunch of 20-somethings seem to think it's a suitable accompaniment to the working day. Where's me gun...?

tgotb

CiB wrote:

I wouldn't inflict this on kids

If it's any consolation, my office seems to be full of actual kids. Thankfully they're not actually running around, but what's the point in coming all the way to your parent's office if all you're going to do is watch movies on a tablet?