Is there an embargo on Orange bikes?
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Father Faff wrote:However I did play devil's advocate by saying jokingly "but I'll never buy a Spesh" because I know it elicits such a wonderful reaction from Spesh owners who clearly have a slight complex - I mean no one ever says "But I'll never buy a Giant" or "I'll never buy a Trek" which are both equally good brands.
Actually, I've heard a lot of people say "I'll never buy a Trek" or words to that effect.0 -
These are all hand made and not mass manufactured custom drawn or
hydro formed Aluminium.
So there is one reason these are more expensive.
Orange are more expensive because they are made in the UK, where the cost of business (rent, business rates, power and labour rates) are more expensive
all Taiwanese bikes are hand made too
(its only in China you get some machine welding done on very cheap bike frames)
hydro formed / custom swaged 7000 series Taiwanese tubesets will generally provide better a strength to weight ratio and allows the design engineer to put the metal exactly where it is needed
Orange's method of folding and welding 6000 series sheet aluminium comes from their factories main production emphasis on metal filing cabinet, its innovative but actually quite crude despite what they would tell you....
btw, it costs alot of money for hydro form tube tooling...check out my riding - www.robcole.co.uk Banshee Factory Team rider, Da Kine UK Team rider, www.freeborn.co.uk www.eshershore.com0 -
I've got the best of both worlds, my P7 frame was welded by exploited poor people in some far away land but its also got Orange stickers on.
I fear I'm your worst nightmare - I drive a BMW320, have an Orange bicycle and used to own a Cannondale.
I like to buy British if I can, I like the Orange brand and I liked the ride of the P7 when I got on it.
I didn't give it a massive amount of thought really, I just bought what I liked.
This thread has been great though, we've had every type of personality, espescially a liberal dose of erm...liberals trying to get everyone to sing kum-by-ar, hold hands and all be friends.
Quality stuff
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It was entertaining, though im partially int he not liking orange anymore camp! lol,
and i used to ride a connondale, loveliest little hardtail!.
though shame on you having a BMW... 0 -
Yes, as an Orange owner being compared to a BMW owner is the ultimate insult. In fact I own a Skoda so there!Commencal Meta 5.5.1
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Father Faff wrote:Yes, as an Orange owner being compared to a BMW owner is the ultimate insult. In fact I own a Skoda so there!
You should have tried harder at school and you wouldn't have to lie about what car you drive at parties.
BTW I've had a few, Subaru Impreza, Honda type R etc but a BMW 320 is better by far.0 -
icarus wrote:Father Faff wrote:Yes, as an Orange owner being compared to a BMW owner is the ultimate insult. In fact I own a Skoda so there!
You should have tried harder at school and you wouldn't have to lie about what car you drive at parties.
BTW I've had a few, Subaru Impreza, Honda type R etc but a BMW 320 is better by far.
PLEASE tell me you are being "ironic?"
If not then you are EXACTLY what makes much of the World hate BMW owners 0 -
Cos they are boring to drive,
old man cruisers that drive for you if you ask nicely. get summat a bit fun!0 -
Waylander - fun cars are as good as illegal nowadays
Fast diesels are about the most fun we are "allowed" to have these days it seems 0 -
Matteeboy wrote:PLEASE tell me you are being "ironic?"
If not then you are EXACTLY what makes much of the World hate BMW owners
I'm not sure which bit you are picking up on but the truth is that a BMW320 is a better car to drive on the public highway than either my Subaru Impreza or Honda Type R.
Its alright for 17yr old kids to dream about fast cars on the road but in reality anyone wizzing around on the public highway at stupid speeds is an accident waiting to happen, and your license won't last long anyway.
A nice family saloon like a 320 will deliver you from A to B in comfort, unlike many sports cars which will rattle your fillings out. Its a tried and tested quality motor towards the top end of family saloon type cars.
You wouldn't use a top of the range downhill bike to ride to work along the road, so why use a rally car to drive along the motorway?
My comment about trying harder was obviously a joke but lets put our cards on the table here, if you earn a good wage you usually travel in more comfort, be that business class on an aeroplane or a 30k car. Give any avarage punter a choice between a 1990 Ford Escort 1.3 popular or a 50k BMW 5 series and see what choice they make.
Pretending anything else is sour grapes because you can't afford one.0 -
cause i can and it is fun.so why use a rally car to drive along the motorway? "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
Parktools :?:SheldonBrown0 -
NO i really would take the ford, i cant put into words how much i dislike the BMW brand,
Much prefer cars from Audi and so on.
My aim at the moment though is a nice shiney second hand van... strangly0 -
icarus wrote:Matteeboy wrote:PLEASE tell me you are being "ironic?"
If not then you are EXACTLY what makes much of the World hate BMW owners
I'm not sure which bit you are picking up on but the truth is that a BMW320 is a better car to drive on the public highway than either my Subaru Impreza or Honda Type R.
Its alright for 17yr old kids to dream about fast cars on the road but in reality anyone wizzing around on the public highway at stupid speeds is an accident waiting to happen, and your license won't last long anyway.
A nice family saloon like a 320 will deliver you from A to B in comfort, unlike many sports cars which will rattle your fillings out. Its a tried and tested quality motor towards the top end of family saloon type cars.
You wouldn't use a top of the range downhill bike to ride to work along the road, so why use a rally car to drive along the motorway?
My comment about trying harder was obviously a joke but lets put our cards on the table here, if you earn a good wage you usually travel in more comfort, be that business class on an aeroplane or a 30k car. Give any avarage punter a choice between a 1990 Ford Escort 1.3 popular or a 50k BMW 5 series and see what choice they make.
Pretending anything else is sour grapes because you can't afford one.
Are you actually FOR REAL?!! :shock:
It's not like you have an M3/5/6 or anything. You have an ugly, dull family saloon car that weighs WAY too much and is stupidly overpriced.
A Mondeo will do everything better - it's much lighter, it handles better, it's better made.
You'll actually find that those with proper money don't feel the need to buy some pseudo premium tin box to try and show everyone they have made it (if image is so important, then small engined BMWs say "failed middle manager" to me).
Well sorry but I know people with serious money who drive old barges quite happily. .
Honestly, you are making BMW drivers look even worse - stop right now. Leave it.
It can't get any worse. Then come back when you have a proper BMW and then tell us a bit about it - it might be a bit more interesting than justifying an overpriced yawn box and telling everyone how successful you are.
I'd take an Impreza or Type R Honda over a 320 zzzZZzzzz any day - apart from anything else, they are MUCH quicker.0 -
Thewaylander wrote:NO i really would take the ford, i cant put into words how much i dislike the BMW brand,
Much prefer cars from Audi and so on.
My aim at the moment though is a nice shiney second hand van... strangly
Well that's just dumb.... you take the £50k BMW, sell it, buy a 1990 Ford thinggy for £500... then by a nice collection of top end exotic bikes 0 -
true enough, i like that plan, but i still cant get over the fact i'd have owned a BMW at some point and would have to hatemyself for next 40 years for it. its almost as bad as owning a merc...(bet i put my foot in it now hehe)0
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Waylander - how about getting a close relative to sign the docs (write a contract) for a small fee? Then sell it.
Extreme I know, but at least you wouldn't have "officially" owned it, and then you could flog it and pot the cash
Or crash it immediately and get the insurance, thereby doing the public service of removing a BMW from the road? :twisted:
The thing with BMWs is, the "proper" ones seemed to often be run by enthusiasts, rather than social climbing wannabees wearing a TAG watch and Armani sunnies 0 -
not a bad idea,
will think it over should the occasion arises hehe0 -
Isn't just great the way long threads go well off topic.
For the record I used to have a M3 - sooooo much fun !!!!!
back on track:
ps ........ I wouldn't buy a current Orange FS - they are just too god damn ugly.0 -
CPS - what model? They are splendid fun.
Back on track - anyone got a juicer? Fresh orange juice is great 0 -
I looked at the M3 E46 CS when I was flogging the Golf (R32) but then had a financial rain check and left it alone.
Great cars and I prefer the 6 pot in the E46 to the 8 pot in the new shape one.
Tropicana is rather posh... 0 -
Matteeboy wrote:Are you actually FOR REAL?!! :shock:
It's not like you have an M3/5/6 or anything. You have an ugly, dull family saloon car that weighs WAY too much and is stupidly overpriced.
A Mondeo will do everything better - it's much lighter, it handles better, it's better made.
You'll actually find that those with proper money don't feel the need to buy some pseudo premium tin box to try and show everyone they have made it (if image is so important, then small engined BMWs say "failed middle manager" to me).
Well sorry but I know people with serious money who drive old barges quite happily. .
Honestly, you are making BMW drivers look even worse - stop right now. Leave it.
It can't get any worse. Then come back when you have a proper BMW and then tell us a bit about it - it might be a bit more interesting than justifying an overpriced yawn box and telling everyone how successful you are.
I'd take an Impreza or Type R Honda over a 320 zzzZZzzzz any day - apart from anything else, they are MUCH quicker.
I see you're not the brains in this outfit.
If I wanted an M3 I'd nip out and buy one.
The reason I only drive a 320SE is because I live in the Caribbean, I own a house in the Lakes as well but only spend about 8-10 weeks a year in the UK, so there isn't much point in me parking 40K's worth of motor in the garage for it to sit idle for 40 weeks of the year.
If you'd read the post you'd see I used to own an Impreza and Type R, as well as other cars. I have an SP1, Ducati, KTM and motocrossers in the garage also, so if I wanted to play at being boy racer I'd just get one of my bikes out and blitz anything you'd care to race.
My 320SE serves the same purpose as the Orange P7 I just bought, ie. it does the job and there is no point spending anymore because I don't have time to use it. I could have put a £3000 bike in the garage but whats the point?
I suppose all the people moaning about BMW cars have £150 mountain bikes and £500 Ford cars do they? Because if you've spent anything more than that you are obviously just posers trying to keep up with the Jones's.
Don't judge everyone by your standards, not everyone is insecure and needs to compensate for having a small willy.
Some of us just look to a well known brand name for reliable products with a good name, that do the job properly.0 -
Matteeboy wrote:I looked at the M3 E46 CS when I was flogging the Golf (R32) but then had a financial rain check and left it alone.
Great cars and I prefer the 6 pot in the E46 to the 8 pot in the new shape one.
Tropicana is rather posh...
You're moaning at me for driving in a family BMW when you're driving round in a mickey mouse golf pretending to be something its not. 0 -
Oh btw...I wear an IWC watch (well actually the one on my wrist as I type this is the limited edition Omega Planet ocean worn in Casino Royale, but my usual and favourite is an IWC).
Anyone wearing a TAG watch is a wannabe.
A bit like Mondeo owners thinking their car is like a BMW 0 -
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Toasty wrote:
And you know the best bit...
I'm good looking and have amazing charisma too
(I was just making a point as some joker was claiming I was some sort of fat lower manager trying to show off with a family saloon car). :roll:0 -
The Golf is long gone and was comfortably quicker than all the 3 series bar the M3 but so what? It's not a social climbers car. It was a fun little hatch with a big engine.
You just make it worse and worse for yourself, listing all your "achievements" as material items.
I've seen it a million times before and it's deadly deadly dull.
Sorry but you won't win on car experience (Police and IAM trained driver here) or number of quick cars driven BUT it doesn't mean I feel the need to justify having an overpriced repmobile with naff all poke.
Carry on - you seem newish here and your earlier posts looked promising. You've just revealed yourself as the very worst sort of person - the socially climbing money bore.
Oh and the Mondeo beats the 3 series in a large number of car tests
And no I don't have one.
Fascinating about the watch too - tell us more about what you own... :roll:
But I do have... oh **** it, I'm not playing that game. 0 -
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Matteeboy wrote:
Sorry but you won't win on car experience (Police and IAM trained driver here)
Carry on - you seem newish here and your earlier posts looked promising.:
IAM
Do you have a beard and bore people about apex's and defensive driving
IAM is the biggest bunch of prats on the planet, unless you do it their way they get all upset and start crying. I raced professionally for a while and tbh I find them dreadfully trite.
Most professional drivers won't have anything to do with them.
I could list who trained me to drive but a) you wouldn't believe me and b) I only listed all the material stuff to pee all over your argument about me being a skint failed manager trying to big myself up with a 3 series.
If you go around insulting peoples choice of vehicle and their social standing you have to accept they may throw a stone back in your camp, unless you really are a middle manager in an office full of girls who won't dare answer you back.
I drive the car I do out of choice, I ride an Orange bike out of choice. I am fortunate enough to have a good career that pays well.
Quite how that makes me the scourge of the planet is beynd me.0
