Campag snobbery makes me want to smoke crack...
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Coyote wrote:Congratulations Mrs Sprinter, you get todays star prize for the most arrogant nonsense spouted on the forum today. The prize is a bag of horse sh*t which you clearly don't need as you are full of it already.
i'm intrigued, what really upsets you so much ?0 -
Coyote wrote:Congratulations Mrs Sprinter, you get todays star prize for the most arrogant nonsense spouted on the forum today. The prize is a bag of horse sh*t which you clearly don't need as you are full of it already.
LOL, one post and I got a complete internet meltdown.
(everyone don't take the Brit jokes to heart I am married to one!)
Nothing arrogant about me, but an insult is the first sign someone cannot contribute to the conversation.0 -
So what exactly do you have against mere mortals riding expensive bikes? If they can afford it why shouldn't they ride it?OC_sprinter wrote:This debate will never end but I will say this: The most pathetic thing to watch is a clown on a $9k Colnago with Record and carbon everything get dropped off the back like a discarded water bottle by 30 people riding bikes half the cost.0 -
I race and I will tell you that Dura-Ace and and Record are both very nice. In a race, it's about performance not looks, so all this spouting off about ugly this and ugly that is futile. By the way, if you own Dura Ace or Record and you aren't racing then you are not fully utilizing the products anyway. You just want to look spiffy on your Saturday morning group ride. There is a difference between using a nice product and just being able to buy it.
This debate will never end but I will say this: The most pathetic thing to watch is a clown on a $9k Colnago with Record and carbon everything get dropped off the back like a discarded water bottle by 30 people riding bikes half the cost.
Hmmm. Yes and no. I don't agree that the primary function of a road bike is necessarily to race. Some people just enjoy the experience of riding a fast bike and couldn't give a monkey's about competition. If they can afford it, they will benefit from the lower weight and greater reliability of the top end groupsets. One logical extension of what you are saying is that people should buy heavier, duller and slower bikes the older they get.
That said, I got chorus on my bike largely because I felt that I didn't deserve record yet...0 -
Yeah, I must admit that I could not really justify the cost of Record as I probably would not get the best out of it. That said, if I won the lottery I would be checking out high end CF bikes with top end group sets.0
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I race and I will tell you that Dura-Ace and and Record are both very nice. In a race, it's about performance not looks, so all this spouting off about ugly this and ugly that is futile. By the way, if you own Dura Ace or Record and you aren't racing then you are not fully utilizing the products anyway. You just want to look spiffy on your Saturday morning group ride. There is a difference between using a nice product and just being able to buy it.
This debate will never end but I will say this: The most pathetic thing to watch is a clown on a $9k Colnago with Record and carbon everything get dropped off the back like a discarded water bottle by 30 people riding bikes half the cost.
Internet meltdown? hardly. Nothing like an American to exagerate everything.
Everyone is free to ride anything they want if they choose to and can afford to do so.
If it wasn't for the thousands of non racing bike buyers spending their cash on Colnago's and the like, the bike buying public wouldn't have the fantastic choice we have today as many of the high end companies would simply go out of business and there would be much less demand for innovation and differentiation between suppliers.
You should have a bit more respect for the "pathetic clown" dropping off the back or you wouldn't be in a position sneer at him/her and tell us how superior you are because you are a racer - woo-hoo, how impressive - who can take the equipment to the levels its designed for.
Do you think no one else but racers can tell the difference between kit? Do you think racers are the only people who's performance will improve with better equipment? I think not. ...and anyway, one more off the back will give you something else to brag about won't it?
Thankfully there are millions of cyclists out there enjoying their bikes however much they spend on them. I for one won't be judging anyone as pathetic whether they are riding a butchers bike or a C50, its their choice and good luck to them!
What I will say is - if you can afford Record or Dura Ace, then buy it because it's better performing equipment than all the rest and don't think you have to justify it to anyone else.0 -
OC_sprinter wrote:I race and I will tell you that Dura-Ace and and Record are both very nice. In a race, it's about performance not looks, so all this spouting off about ugly this and ugly that is futile. By the way, if you own Dura Ace or Record and you aren't racing then you are not fully utilizing the products anyway. You just want to look spiffy on your Saturday morning group ride. There is a difference between using a nice product and just being able to buy it.
Given that Campag components do the same thing regardless of the price (except recently the Ergos which have clearly defined reduced function if you buy the cheaper ones) you are paying extra to have the same strength in a lghter component or theoritcal better performance by having things run on bearings rather than bushings or a slightly more polished or stylish design. You don't need to race to fully utilize this.. A racer will not fully utilize a titanium mounting bolt on his rear mech...the unengraved chrome steel version will still see him finish where he would've done....you only need to be aware of and appreciate the quality to 'qualify to need Record'. You can be aware of the quality if you are the winner of the race, the clown that you so manfully dropped, the cyclotourist stood by the roadside watching the race or the cafe poser that has got all dressed up to see the race pass 200yds from his house.I'd rather walk than use Shimano0 -
God there's been some elitist bollocks on here of late. If you want a nice bike and can afford one then get it. If you want Campag Record on it and you have the money then go for it.
I have a Scott with full Ultegra and it's great. I have a Pinarello Prince with Record/Chorus and that's even better.
I'm faster than some people and slower than others.0 -
HarryB wrote:God there's been some elitist bollocks on here of late. If you want a nice bike and can afford one then get it. If you want Campag Record on it and you have the money then go for it.
I have a Scott with full Ultegra and it's great. I have a Pinarello Prince with Record/Chorus and that's even better.
I'm faster than some people and slower than others.
Perfectly put !
Now in my sixties I still love the tech. stuff and the shiny bits , but am becoming aware that other cyclists pass me by - on occasion . I don't mind , it's still terrific to be out there no matter what ( ...well , ice , snow and horizontal rain pisses me off no end ).
"Lick My Decals Off, Baby"0 -
That's what I say. If you like it and it does it's job without breaking, buy it and wear it out. Looks don't keep you in shape, good gear does, and we all know the better, the more $$$ involved.
Who gives a flying rip what others think. Ride, ride, ride and ride more.0 -
I think OC_sprinters remarks have been treated a little unkindly. He uses his bike as a tool and equips it with the best components for his paticular use. What he is trying to say is that for a large proportion of us, anything above Shimano 105 level would probably be wasted, it would not make us any faster. Most Pros don't get a choice of equipment and don't really care what it looks like as long as it performs well. However, there is nothing wrong with buying top line equipment. We buy fast cars but will never be F1 drivers, likewise we buy expensive bikes but will never win a Classic.0
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Rob Sallnow wrote:OC_sprinter wrote:I race and I will tell you that Dura-Ace and and Record are both very nice. In a race, it's about performance not looks, so all this spouting off about ugly this and ugly that is futile. By the way, if you own Dura Ace or Record and you aren't racing then you are not fully utilizing the products anyway. You just want to look spiffy on your Saturday morning group ride. There is a difference between using a nice product and just being able to buy it.
Given that Campag components do the same thing regardless of the price (except recently the Ergos which have clearly defined reduced function if you buy the cheaper ones) you are paying extra to have the same strength in a lghter component or theoritcal better performance by having things run on bearings rather than bushings or a slightly more polished or stylish design. You don't need to race to fully utilize this.. A racer will not fully utilize a titanium mounting bolt on his rear mech...the unengraved chrome steel version will still see him finish where he would've done....you only need to be aware of and appreciate the quality to 'qualify to need Record'. You can be aware of the quality if you are the winner of the race, the clown that you so manfully dropped, the cyclotourist stood by the roadside watching the race or the cafe poser that has got all dressed up to see the race pass 200yds from his house.
well put Rob, even if i deplore your tag line ...
four or five years ago i would have taken the pi55 out of people who spent £950 on a groupset ... complete waste of cash, will only get nicked etc. but as cycling takes over your life, you come round to a new way of thinking. £300 looks reasonable, then £600, then £900. Guess what? My new bike has full record on it, and I'm £900 lighter off as a result. for a jumble of bicycle components! ridiculous!0 -
Given he described people with nice bikes who weren't as super-human as him as "pathetic" I'd beg to differ - he got everything he deserved.davecooper wrote:I think OC_sprinters remarks have been treated a little unkindly.0 -
Taking all the comments above and coming to a conclusion I'd say that Record, Colnago and so-on - the top end stuff - must be a self defeating proposition for the manufacturers - clearly some believe that to use this stuff you must be at a certain level (with certain talent) which is to say that you wouldn't be buying your own kit anyway. As someone has stated, if it wasn't for the mere mortals who DO pay for this stuff, then there'd be little reason to make it - comparisons with motor racing don't bear our because the economics are very different.
There is an intrinsic value to the ownership of a fine bicycle, and if you choose to do so, I'd suggest that your abilities have little to do with it. If you wish to pay as much for a bike as a car, then go ahead, enjoy it, go slowly on it, and don't give a damn. Those who criticize you should - with all due deference- get a life.0 -
It's only a bike, regardless of who makes it, what you hang on it, wear while riding it, and who you intend to pedal past while riding it.
It's only a THING.0 -
A nice shiny thing though 0
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aracer wrote:A nice shiny thing though
Exactly. I moved to the southeast US from Seattle. Left the Cascade Range (average 10,000 ft.) for a bunch of hills (average 3,000 ft.,) now I ride once a month, but still have my nice semi shiny Ellsworth ($2960.40) and feel no guilt. 8)
'Used to do 150 miles a week. Trails and work and back home.0 -
aracer wrote:
Given he described people with nice bikes who weren't as super-human as him as "pathetic" I'd beg to differ - he got everything he deserved.davecooper wrote:I think OC_sprinters remarks have been treated a little unkindly.
Fair comment. I did not agree with everything he said.0
