I need a coach
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Some people have no shame. You couldn't make it up.0
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Mike i've got to say of the 2, you're the one being a wee bit childish here mate.
The RST guys are acting professionally, and I think it's unfair for you to make judgements on their training methods when you have never been coached by them and aren't a coach yourself.
I don't think they need anyone to stand up for them, but you've turned the thread into a slagging match which has no place here.
As to the original question The RST guys have given their details and the other coach on here is Ruth Eyles- contact details-
www.rutheyles.co.uk
She has a good reputation and has acheived a lot personally."I hold it true, what'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost;
Than never to have loved at all."
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nolf wrote:Mike i've got to say of the 2, you're the one being a wee bit childish here mate.
The RST guys are acting professionally, and I think it's unfair for you to make judgements on their training methods when you have never been coached by them and aren't a coach yourself.
I don't think they need anyone to stand up for them, but you've turned the thread into a slagging match which has no place here.
As to the original question The RST guys have given their details and the other coach on here is Ruth Eyles- contact details-
www.rutheyles.co.uk
She has a good reputation and has acheived a lot personally.
If you care to read the thread you will see that I never stated a preference. They started the slanging............I just finished it
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Cheers Ricsome interesting threads on coaching here
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/ind ... opic=16040
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/ind ... opic=16123
http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/ind ... opic=16127
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I'm with Mike on this one
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Personally I think it is up to the individual.
I have done several sports to a high level and some need coaching more than others. In fact I am qualified as a coach in one sport ( will remain secret).
For example, some sports are very technical, like golf, squash, tennis and to achieve any success requires coaching of technique.
To be honest riding a bike is pretty basic, from then on its just about physical training and scheduling and very little technique or strategy involved (wait for the replies saying rubbish lol ).
There is plenty of training advice and methods and schedules on interent and several books and not too difficult to find.
Some people are just a bit lazy and cannot be botherred to even look or study such info and prefer to pay a coach. Thats ok if they have the money.
You will probably find that they are slightly less motivated than some others and the ones keen to train and learn themselves do better. Thats not all people who use a coach obviously.
I think Mike did ok with his training methods and could probably pass on very useful advice to some riders without claiming to be a coach. The same goes for a lot of riders. I learnt different things from experienced riders.
The same goes for other sports.
Paying for professional coaching does not guarentee success, the athlete also needs the motivation to train.
Coaching some sports is very much hands on, with cycling it is more difficult to do hands on coaching, track is ok, but road racing?
One guy coached me years ago and just gave me a load of sheets with training schedules for different weeks
I did ask one coach who I know ?(not on the forum by the way) about his coaching and he stated he does not consider coaching anyone who does not have a power meter. Now I think that is a bit narrow minded even though he is my mate
I guess this year I will use my old method of keeping logs of rides and using my old fashioned training schedule and save the money for a new bike
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Interesting comments. Coaching is not for everyone. And if you do need/want a coach it is really important to find one you get on with. We expect our clients to work hard to achieve their goals.
I hadn't really thought about it but several of my clients (three at present) are endurance sports coaches themselves, one a cycling coach. And I use a coach as well.
Power meters enable a whole new paradigm in the athlete - coach relationship but in reality, not everyone will use them (for whatever reason) and so coaching without them is still a fact of life.0 -
I honestly don't understand why a coach would need a full time paid coach for cycling. Alex can you explain that for me.
I can understand everyone needing advice from time to time but haven't you got any mates?
I agree with Welshmans' point about other sports, the more technical the sport then the more need for a coach. Perhaps by Ric and others arguing that peddaling technique doesn't matter is doing them out of a job. (I think I've seen you write something along those lines Ric, please fell free to corect me if I'm wrong.)0 -
Well I can't generalise but I suspect a few possibilities (not in any particular order):chrisw12 wrote:I honestly don't understand why a coach would need a full time paid coach for cycling. Alex can you explain that for me.
- lack of familiarity in using a power meter to its full potential
- opportunity to learn from an expert in that discipline
- coaches already understand the value of good coaching
- not wanting to concern themselves with their own plan, so they can focus on executing
- Remove the stress during the crucially important (esp mentally) race prep period
- Making sure an experienced and objective set of eyes is watching the data and rider feedback (some find it hard to be as objective with themselves as they are with others)
- Someone to bounce things off and to ensure accountability
- taking on a new style of event, not sure how best to train for it (e.g. a roadie taking on track pursuit racing)
- their own business/work is busy or time consuming and it's more time efficient to outsource their own coaching.
- they get better outcomes with a coach than without
No doubt there are other reasons.0 -
Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:
Well I can't generalise but I suspect a few possibilities (not in any particular order):chrisw12 wrote:I honestly don't understand why a coach would need a full time paid coach for cycling. Alex can you explain that for me.
- lack of familiarity in using a power meter to its full potential
- opportunity to learn from an expert in that discipline
- coaches already understand the value of good coaching
- not wanting to concern themselves with their own plan, so they can focus on executing
- Remove the stress during the crucially important (esp mentally) race prep period
- Making sure an experienced and objective set of eyes is watching the data and rider feedback (some find it hard to be as objective with themselves as they are with others)
- Someone to bounce things off and to ensure accountability
- taking on a new style of event, not sure how best to train for it (e.g. a roadie taking on track pursuit racing)
- their own business/work is busy or time consuming and it's more time efficient to outsource their own coaching.
- they get better outcomes with a coach than without
No doubt there are other reasons.
I think I can safely say "None of the above"
(Peer reviewed study Mike Willcox- what works and what doesn't over many years)0 -
Yawn.Mike Willcox1 wrote:I think I can safely say "None of the above"
(Peer reviewed study Mike Willcox- what works and what doesn't over many years)
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andyp wrote:
Yawn.Mike Willcox1 wrote:I think I can safely say "None of the above"
(Peer reviewed study Mike Willcox- what works and what doesn't over many years)
:roll:
Pathetic post which contributes nothing.
If you have you got something to say then say it. Tosser!0 -
andyp wrote:
Yawn.Mike Willcox1 wrote:I think I can safely say "None of the above"
(Peer reviewed study Mike Willcox- what works and what doesn't over many years)
:roll:
Someone keeping you up?0 -
And yours contributes what exactly, apart from personal insults?rollerball wrote:
Pathetic post which contributes nothing.
If you have you got something to say then say it. Tosser!
This section of the forum was easily the best in the period after the move over from Cycling Plus with some lively and interesting debates.
Then along comes Mike (again - he did the same on Cycling Plus) and starts his snide and worthless campaigns against anyone who doesn't agree with him and it's now degenerated into a place where personal insults are traded freely.
I'd now which I'd prefer (and it's not the one where someone hiding behind an alias feels brave enough to call someone a "tosser").0 -
That's better 0
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You're Mike using an alias though aren't you?rollerball wrote:That's better0 -
chrisw12 wrote:I agree with Welshmans' point about other sports, the more technical the sport then the more need for a coach. Perhaps by Ric and others arguing that peddaling technique doesn't matter is doing them out of a job. (I think I've seen you write something along those lines Ric, please fell free to corect me if I'm wrong.)
Cycling is a gross motor control sport, that requires little skill (in e.g. the way golf does). However, just because cycling is a low skill sport and pedalling technique is essentially unimportant doesn't mean that coaching isn't useful. the majority of the differences in performance between riders is simply fitness (which is cycling specific fitness) and considering that some riders take drugs to improve their fitness (e.g., blood doping, rH-Epo) it is the fitness aspect that is most important to focus on.
For a rider to improve the biggest gains come from improvements to their fitness. Most of what is written in cycling magazines, and books is either out of date, useless, or not very specific. A knowledgeable cycling coach, especially one understands the physiological demands of specific events and the physiology that underpins the adaptations that occur through training can and will be very valuable at helping a rider improve their performance.
RicProfessional cycle coaching for cyclists of all levels
www.cyclecoach.com0 -
andyp wrote:
And yours contributes what exactly, apart from personal insults?rollerball wrote:
Pathetic post which contributes nothing.
If you have you got something to say then say it. Tosser!
This section of the forum was easily the best in the period after the move over from Cycling Plus with some lively and interesting debates.
Then along comes Mike (again - he did the same on Cycling Plus) and starts his snide and worthless campaigns against anyone who doesn't agree with him and it's now degenerated into a place where personal insults are traded freely.
I'd now which I'd prefer (and it's not the one where someone hiding behind an alias feels brave enough to call someone a "tosser").
I think Mike articluates a lot of what many riders believe and I look forward to hearing what he has to say. There isnothing wrong with healthy debate and from what I can see he gets more of his fair share of snide remarks. You included0 -
chrisw12 wrote:I honestly don't understand why a coach would need a full time paid coach for cycling.
Along with the reasons Alex posted:
1. Accountability - when motivation is lacking, it's easy to find it knowing that you have to explain to _someone_ other than yourself why you did/didn't do a particular session.
2. Experience - If you have a coach less experienced than you, you made a mistake (IMO). A coach with experience with other riders/his/her own performance MAY be able to help you in places you've never found yourself in before (injury, time constraints, over training, failure to meet goals, inability to set reasonable goals)
Along with Alex's, I'll second these:
1. Objective set of eyes that don't get wrapped up on the "feel good" sessions, but on the whole picture.
2. Time - It's extraordinarily convenient to have a coach lay out the plan and then just execute based on your given time availability. Some may like to do all the study, but for me it's mostly about getting on the bike and riding.
3. Results - I've seen/dealt with more riders who are successful with coaches than riders successful without. YMMV0 -
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http://www.davelloydcoaching.com/cyclin ... s-for-2008
dave lloyd tests power meters :roll: sounds hypocritical to me doesn't it?0 -
"SO THINGS NEVER STAND STILL, AND YOU CAN BE SURE THAT DAVE WILL BE AT THE CUTTING EDGE OF ANYTHING NEW"
Maybe he's not the Alf Tupper of the cycling world after all...Le Blaireau (1)0 -
DaveyL wrote:"SO THINGS NEVER STAND STILL, AND YOU CAN BE SURE THAT DAVE WILL BE AT THE CUTTING EDGE OF ANYTHING NEW"
Maybe he's not the Alf Tupper of the cycling world after all...
erm, first time I saw an SRM was a guy on the Castorama squad in 1992/1993 who was told to take it off in favour of the standard chainset he should have been using. Lemond used them at this time and we know Boardman used an SRM in the build up to his hour record in 1993 so hardly cutting edge now is it?
More like 14 years too late for Dave?0 -
i started using them in '93...
ricProfessional cycle coaching for cyclists of all levels
www.cyclecoach.com0 -
work coming of wood out the.
rearrange into a well known phrase or saying. 0 -
Please explain this anomaly.
On the one hand there are coaches who "say" that they coach top professionals yet their names remain confidential (why?) and there are others(Dave Lloyd) who list 30+ named testimonials including National Champions.
So money where your mouth is. Those that are coming on here and touting for business (you know who you are) just who do you have as clients?0 -
Mike Willcox1 wrote:Please explain this anomaly.
On the one hand there are coaches who "say" that they coach top professionals yet their names remain confidential (why?) and there are others(Dave Lloyd) who list 30+ named testimonials including National Champions.
So money where your mouth is. Those that are coming on here and touting for business (you know who you are) just who do you have as clients?
Is it because Dave Lloyd isn't as professional as other coaches and is very "me"centric?
"look what I've done, I'm the best , I've done all this cos I'#m the best, I've won all these races cos I'm the best , I invented compact bike frames cos I'm the best, I ran bike shops cos I'm the best, I qualified super quick at the coaching courses cos I'm the best, I coach all these riders cos I'm the best, you just do what I say cos if it worked for me it'll work for you cos I'm the best, don't anyone disagree cos I'm the best and you're all sh1t"
Mike, you're not Dave Lloyd are you?
I've encountered other coaches on other forums (nothing to do with the RST mob and they're the same - they'll give you an idea of who they've worked with but being professional and maintaining client confidentiality means they don't name names.0 -
Indeed, I would've thought that was a no brainer. If i was an elite athelete the last thing i'd want would be my competition knowing who coaches me, or indeed if I'm being coached. See MH's article at the back of this week edition of the comic.Matchstick Man wrote:[
I've encountered other coaches on other forums (nothing to do with the RST mob and they're the same - they'll give you an idea of who they've worked with but being professional and maintaining client confidentiality means they don't name names. 0 -
Toks wrote:
Indeed, I would've thought that was a no brainer. If i was an elite athelete the last thing i'd want would be my competition knowing who coaches me, or indeed if I'm being coached. See MH's article at the back of this week edition of the comic.Matchstick Man wrote:[
I've encountered other coaches on other forums (nothing to do with the RST mob and they're the same - they'll give you an idea of who they've worked with but being professional and maintaining client confidentiality means they don't name names.
No brainer or no brains?
Are you serious? Honestly?0 -
Isn't is just as simple as saying that different things work for different people? What works best for me might not work best for you. I've no emotional investment either way. Some people will log every watt, scrutinise every rev, gps their routes, drink the right recovery drink etc etc. Others won't. Out of 4 people I cycle with regularly I reckon 1 is totally RPE based and just decides what to do on how he feels and what the weather is doing. Of the remaining 3 we all use HRMs to differing degrees of geekiness, 1 of us structures training around the HRM, 2 don't but do use them on every ride.1 of us tired paying a coach, but it didn't work for them. I'll tell you what we don't do, we don't calll each other names and fall out down the pub about it.0
