4m British drivers admit they'd pervert justice

paulwood · June 2007

How about
1) scrap all speed cameras
2) spend the money on putting engine management chips and GPS into all motor vehicles to cut power to stop them speeding
3) spend the time discussing more suitable speed limits for stretches of road

would stop all the "innocent" drivers whinging about how unfair it is when they get caught

linfordlunchbox · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

So Tabernacle, are you ?

A) Anti Car

Anti Driver

C) Anti Idiot Driver
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Its a fair question Tabbers, are you truthful enough to give an honest answer ?

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"

Archcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by paulwood

How about
1) scrap all speed cameras
2) spend the money on putting engine management chips and GPS into all motor vehicles to cut power to stop them speeding
3) spend the time discussing more suitable speed limits for stretches of road

would stop all the "innocent" drivers whinging about how unfair it is when they get caught
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Cars already have a thing to stop them speeding, well, two things, called the accelerator pedal, and the brakes. Oh, and a dial that tells you your speed. Three things. Irresponsible people will find a way to circumvent the chips, or will in any case just drive with their foot to the floor up to the limit, because that must be safe, mustn't it...

Also, chips and limiters would just be one more thing to go wrong, and these days, it seems you have to replace the whole car once one thing goes wrong (Ok, I exaggerate, but you get my point..) 'They' could, however, just stop making cars that can go stupidly fast, but that won't have an effect where the limit is less than 70...

Sadly, what's needed is re-education and changing some people's mindsets -'sadly' because that's much harder than quick fixes...

My ideal would be:

a)loads of cameras, to raise money from stupid people who can't control their speed

and spend it on

b)loads of police, to pick up the things cameras can't, like mobile phone use, poor control etc
and
c)continuing retesting and re-education... (actually, this should also be paid for in fees, partly)

The problem being that if the retesting and reducation succeeds, the revenue should drop. But I suspect there will always be a few idiots to provide a few fines...

If I had a baby elephant, it could help me clean the car. If I had a car.

PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">b)loads of police, to pick up the things cameras can't, like mobile phone use, poor control etc
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Couldn't agree more [wishes there was a clapping icon]

I don't see that the revenue stream is significant, in the grand scheme of things, the revenue generated from fines is negligable, 1 or 2 million I believe. This is a general rounding error when put against the exchequer as a whole.

Archcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">b)loads of police, to pick up the things cameras can't, like mobile phone use, poor control etc
and
c)continuing retesting and re-education... (actually, this should also be paid for in fees, partly)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Couldn't agree more [wishes there was a clapping icon]

I don't see that the revenue stream is significant, in the grand scheme of things, the revenue generated from fines is negligable, 1 or 2 million I believe. This is a general rounding error when put against the exchequer as a whole.
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In which case, it should be spent on cake and shiny bicycles for me and all my friends...[;)]

If I had a baby elephant, it could help me clean the car. If I had a car.

PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

That's a lot of cake - perhaps it would negate the shiny new bike [:D]

linfordlunchbox · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

So Tabernacle, are you ?

A) Anti Car

Anti Driver

C) Anti Idiot Driver
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Its a fair question Tabbers, are you truthful enough to give an honest answer ?

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"
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Its not a trick question, why do you struggle with this honesty bit ?, Your silence is speaking for you :- A),

or C) ?

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">b)loads of police, to pick up the things cameras can't, like mobile phone use, poor control etc
and
c)continuing retesting and re-education... (actually, this should also be paid for in fees, partly)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Couldn't agree more [wishes there was a clapping icon]

I don't see that the revenue stream is significant, in the grand scheme of things, the revenue generated from fines is negligable, 1 or 2 million I believe. This is a general rounding error when put against the exchequer as a whole.
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'tis a shame that a lot of the speedophiles don't believe that! [wishes there was a clapping icon]

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Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

I think you will find that they are marked down as 'inappropriate speed' for the conditions, not breaking the 'posted limit'. There is a very big difference between the two !

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Ah. I see.

So it looks like speed levels should be reduced then, to get these drivers that manage to crash with inappropriate speed to slow down.

How about we introduce more 20mph and 30 mph limits, and more enforcement, That sounds like a good idea. Doesn't it.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

And if the income is so insignificant, why all the complaints about "stealth taxes"?

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PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">How about we introduce more 20mph and 30 mph limits, and more enforcement, That sounds like a good idea. Doesn't it.
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Well no on the limits, because the speed limit should be the guide for the upper safe limit in normal clear driving.

The fact that a residential road has a 30 limit doesn't mean that it is always safe. And vice versa, 30 is not always dangerous. Thus each limit must be judged on a case by case basis.

Also, one must consider the impact of a continually changing limit. Consider a NSL road, that for most of it's length is straight, but has an extremely sharp bend at one point. Should the limit be reduced to 30 for the entire length of the road, or 100 yards either side of the bend, or mark the road with the relevant signage to warn of the danger?

And proper effective enforcement - yes!

Cunobelin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And proper effective enforcement - yes!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yep - increase the speed cameras, yellow box cameras, traffic light offences, CCTV for parking and illegal turns, and of course tailgating cameras on main roads.

All ideal examples where an automatic or semi automatic system can catch all the offences symptomatic of poor driving and poor driving attitude.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
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Jaded · June 2007

Petrolhead, drivers are choosing inappropriate speeds, despite either being recently trained or having loads of experience.

Giving them more leeway in choosing their speeds seems rather silly, doesn't it.

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MattBlackBigBoysBMX · June 2007

Hi everybody, new boy here.
I drive a car as well as ride a bike (though I do own more bikes than cars [:D]) and thought I'd join in as it's raining and all my modes of transport are frightened of mud.

Seems there is a lot of chat about cars on here, especially with regards to speed/speed limits/breaking speed limits so I thought I'd pose a question which relates to both bikes and cars.
There is no doubt that an increase in speed results in an increase in the likelihood of more serious injuries (or death) in the event of an accident, and I'm sure none of the driving enthusiasts (I'll steer clear of derogatory remarks, it does ones arguments no good [;)]) would disagree with that logic, but isn't it more important to try and reduce the number of accidents in the first place?
I mean, we all (I hope!) wear helmets when out on the bikes, but avoiding coming off is always the number one priority!

It just seems like so much energy is being expelled which could be vented in a more appropriate direction.[?]

ps. go easy if this is off-topic or in the wrong thread, I'm new![:)]

Wheelies ARE cool.

linfordlunchbox · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jaded

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

I think you will find that they are marked down as 'inappropriate speed' for the conditions, not breaking the 'posted limit'. There is a very big difference between the two !

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Ah. I see.

So it looks like speed levels should be reduced then, to get these drivers that manage to crash with inappropriate speed to slow down.

How about we introduce more 20mph and 30 mph limits, and more enforcement, That sounds like a good idea. Doesn't it.

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Yes it does sound like a good idea Jaded, I do agree with you on this assertion, but I'd like to see a higher profile police presence to enforce it and hopefully it will have the desired effect [:)]

You have alway come across as a balanced and up front person Jaded. If I pondered my multiple choice question to you, would you wrestle with your conscience to give a straight answer ?

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"

mjones · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MattBlackBigBoysBMX
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There is no doubt that an increase in speed results in an increase in the likelihood of more serious injuries (or death) in the event of an accident, ... but isn't it more important to try and reduce the number of accidents in the first place?...
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Indeed, preventing accidents has to be the greatest priority, which is why speed reduction is so important because it reduces the number of crashes as well as their severity. Lower traffic speeds also help to create a more pleasant street environment for other road users, so lots of benefits from one measure.

_Bonj_ · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Arch

Cars already have a thing to stop them speeding, well, two things, called the accelerator pedal, and the brakes. Oh, and a dial that tells you your speed. Three things. Irresponsible people will find a way to circumvent the chips, or will in any case just drive with their foot to the floor up to the limit, because that must be safe, mustn't it... 
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Exactly. Course that's a problem. But why do we need engine management chips for that to be a problem? That's a problem now.

MattBlackBigBoysBMX · June 2007

I just thought that breaking the speed limit was fairly low down the list of accident causes? I did see the data breakdown for accident causation before, no idea where to find it again!

(I've only ever been pulled for speeding once; I was on my bike![:I])

Wheelies ARE cool.

snorri · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

My flippin ex had loads of Victorian porn and it was all "Oooh, master, no no" Slap!

Boring.
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Yes, but that was theoretical, we are talking practical now[;)][:D]

snorri · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MattBlackBigBoysBMX

Hi everybody, new boy here.
I mean, we all (I hope!) wear helmets when out on the bikes,<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

[:0][:0]

You must tell us about helmets some day.[8)]

Cunobelin · June 2007

Aren't we getting a little of topic again.

The point is that these individuals are prepared to break the law, and then compound this by breaking the law again.

Speeding here is s red herring - these individuals would probably do the same thing with any other motoring offence ir they were close to a ban.

Perverting the course of justice undermines the legal system and is surely inexcusable for ANy ofence?

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

snorri · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cunobelin

Aren't we getting a little of topic again.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Most of us think the topic is exhausted!
Passing the blame to others has been a ploy since time began and I can't see that ever changing.

MattBlackBigBoysBMX · June 2007

A few more high profile cases of custodial sentances would help.
I won't go into my views on speeding, but perverting the course of justice or indeed perjury must always be dealt with severely as they threaten to undermine the course of law.

Wheelies ARE cool.

Regulator · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MattBlackBigBoysBMX

A few more high profile cases of custodial sentances would help.
I won't go into my views on speeding, but perverting the course of justice or indeed perjury must always be dealt with severely as they threaten to undermine the course of law.

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I agree entirely. I can't wait for a certain PS of SS to have the book thrown at him for perverting the course of justice! Give him 5 years in nick, where he'll be made someone's bitch.

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CometGirl · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Regulator
I agree entirely. I can't wait for a certain PS of SS to have the book thrown at him for perverting the course of justice! Give him 5 years in nick, where he'll be made someone's bitch.

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With all the personable young men in prison, I don't think anybody would be desperate enough to make him their bitch... [}:)]

Regulator · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by CometGirl

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Regulator
I agree entirely. I can't wait for a certain PS of SS to have the book thrown at him for perverting the course of justice! Give him 5 years in nick, where he'll be made someone's bitch.

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With all the personable young men in prison, I don't think anybody would be desperate enough to make him their bitch... [}:)]
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True! He's an ugly little sh*t! Place you a fiver he's not married or divorced... would you want to wake up next to that mug each morning?

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MattBlackBigBoysBMX · June 2007

I really don't think this is the place for commenting on how someone looks or issuing personal abuse; it does no favours for the strength of one's arguments.[;)]

Remember: the view from the moral highground is a spectacular one.[:D][;)]

Wheelies ARE cool.

Regulator · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MattBlackBigBoysBMX

I really don't think this is the place for commenting on how someone looks or issuing personal abuse; it does no favours for the strength of one's arguments.[;)]

Remember: the view from the moral highground is a spectacular one.[:D][;)]

Wheelies ARE cool.
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It's not personal abuse - it's a subjective opinion... [:D]

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MattBlackBigBoysBMX · June 2007

Only my opinion mate, doesn't have to be yours.[:D]

Wheelies ARE cool.

CometGirl · June 2007

Oh, there's undoubtedly someone out there who regards Mr Smith as an Adonis, and would like nothing more than to ride him all night, holding him by the ears, and ruffling his greying torso hair.

It's just that my personal view is that he lacks that prison chic which would be so alluring to Bubba.

4m British drivers admit they'd pervert justice

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