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trustysteedtrustysteed Posts: 1,490
edited December 1969 in Pro race
I was looking forward to Basso riding for Discovery, and thinking he had a good chance until I read yesterday he'd been banned.

So that's my favourite gone.

Who are the likely candidates now? Vinokourov? Cadel Evans?

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  • gsdgsd Posts: 114
    The most talented athlete who (with the help of his doctor(s)) pushes his body to the tolerated doping limits.

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  • Too early to say how many of the big names will actually be allowed to start...........Valverde and a few others have little chance of riding I think.

    Here's the current Unibet odds:
    <font size="1"> Vinokourov, A 2.75
    Kl”den, A 7.00
    Valverde, A 7.00
    Sastre, C 14.00
    Leipheimer, L 14.00
    Evans, C 16.00
    Menchov, D 18.00
    Contador Velasco, A 25.00
    Kashechkin, A 25.00
    Schleck, F 35.00
    Pereiro Sio, O 40.00
    Moreau, C 40.00
    Popovych, Y 50.00
    Rogers, M 50.00
    Fothen, M 50.00
    Rasmussen, M 50.00
    Cunego, D 60.00
    Zubeldia Aguirre, Haimar 75.00
    Mayo, I 90.00
    Millar, D 100.00
    L”vkvist, T 100.00
    Hincapie, G 100.00
    Dessel, C 125.00
    Casar, S 150.00
    Chavanel, Sylvain 150.00
    Caucchioli, P 150.00
    Gadret, John 150.00
    Voeckler, T 300.00
    Gilbert, P 750.00 </font id="size1">


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  • Phil ScpPhil Scp Posts: 2,525
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by trustysteed</i>

    I was looking forward to Basso riding for Discovery, and thinking he had a good chance until I read yesterday he'd been banned.

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    Blimey, and I read the other day that Eddie Merckx had retired.
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Wow, Bronzie's list is totally depressing. Not because of anything to do with doping, but because they're all so boring to watch.

    Right up until you get to Contador, the only two I've ever seen actually attack and try to ride aggressively are Vino and Valverde. And I can't see Valverde starting either. What a mediocre bunch we're left with...
  • walkercpwalkercp Posts: 1,012
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Phil S</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by trustysteed</i>

    I was looking forward to Basso riding for Discovery, and thinking he had a good chance until I read yesterday he'd been banned.

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    Blimey, and I read the other day that Eddie Merckx had retired.
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    Phil, Shut up please, I almost wet myself with that comment[:D]

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  • trustysteedtrustysteed Posts: 1,490
    ok, so i don't tend to go into the Race thread that often! And i don't bother going to Eurosport.com until the TDF actually starts. Although I DID wonder why Basso wasn't riding the Giro when I tuned in, and thought it must be because he was concentrating on the TDF.

    My current event filter is a bit rubbish! [:D]

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  • pauluscppauluscp Posts: 2,530
    I think Vino will win this year. He looked good on several stages of the Dauphine. I think he was sizing up the rest of the peloton and will go for it big style in Le Tour.

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  • GraemecpGraemecp Posts: 479
    My money's (literally) on Vino - subject to illness, injuries (getting caught/implicated), etc. He's a highly watchable rider with balls the size of melons. In a sentimental kind of way, I'd like to see Mayo have a good Tour. As suspicious as his fall from grace actually is..
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    I think Vino has his best chance yet, but the odds are too short for my liking. He's too unpredictable, and I really believe he often exaggerates his own chances too much.

    Plus, he's in exactly the same position that he was in with T-Mobile - ie, too many chiefs and not enough indians. If Vino looks vulnerable in the first mountains, will Kloden and Kash starting having thoughts about their own ambitions? After all, Vino never had any qualms about attacking Ullrich, did he?
  • hevipedalhevipedal Posts: 2,475
    Vino, Carlos Sastre, Contador unless of course he just works for Leipheimer -
    I think Leipheimer is good for a podium but not the win.
    He always seems to have a bad day at a critical point; and boy is his ar<b></b>se going to be sore after that crash?

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  • GraemecpGraemecp Posts: 479
    Cry baby Carlos...hmm, on a good day he's the best climber in the world. But he's emotionally volitile and brittle - I cant see him going through 3 weeks of hell and coming out tops somehow.
  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 1,806
    I will only cheer for riders who are definitely clean. In my book the others are not in the same race.

    So I've been trying to work out who's in the Clean Tour. If we believe what we read it ought to be the T-Mobiles, the CSCs
    and anyone in a French team. Except Valverde, who I suppose might be clean now but probably won't start. Can those in the
    know please help me compile a list of clean riders who might do something:

    Yellow - Sastre, Schleck, Moreau, Pereiro

    Green - O'Grady, McGee, Hushovd

    KOM - Schleck

    Prologue and TTs - Zabriskie, Wiggins

    Winner of a stage if they have a good day and get lucky - Frank Hoj, David Moncoutie, Karpets, Didier Rous, Michael Rogers,
    Roger Hammond, Simoni, Millar



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  • TimelessTimeless Posts: 1,117
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Eurostar</i>


    Yellow - Sastre, Schleck, Moreau, Pereiro

    Green - O'Grady, McGee, Hushovd <font color="red">[don't you mean McEwen, rather than McGee?]</font id="red">

    KOM - Schleck

    Prologue and TTs - Zabriskie, Wiggins

    Winner of a stage if they have a good day and get lucky - Frank Hoj, David Moncoutie, Karpets, Didier Rous, Michael Rogers,
    Roger Hammond, Simoni, Millar
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  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Winning the Tour?
    Favourite is EPO and 2nd favourite is Nandrolone I believe

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  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 1,806
    My logic is that McEwen's not in the Clean Tour - unless you know better? Everyone is guilty of doping unless proved innocent by extra, voluntary testing.
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  • weyayemanweyayeman Posts: 1,141
    We could see big rides from Frank Schleck,Vladimir Karpets,and Vladimir Efimkin
    oh thats the tour of switzerland,dohh

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  • TimelessTimeless Posts: 1,117
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Eurostar</i>

    My logic is that McEwen's not in the Clean Tour - unless you know better? Everyone is guilty of doping unless proved innocent by extra, voluntary testing.
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    I don't know better, but I'd like to think he is and have never heard anything to the contrary. I see the approach you are taking but don't agree with it. My gut instinct tells me that McEwen is clean, simply because of the kind of guy he appears to be. I think that he would want to win clean, if only to really urine people off!

    But I thought you'd made an error as I'd be surprised if McGee is in with a shout for the green jersey.

    But McGee is one rider that you could confidently say is clean.

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  • Sarah22Sarah22 Posts: 56
    A cheat!
  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 1,806
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
    My gut instinct tells me that McEwen is clean, simply because of the kind of guy he appears to be.


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    I'm a big McEwen fan too. But I'm not prepared ever again to believe anyone is clean just because they don't fail UCI tests. If Robbie or Lotto take the T-Mobile approach to testing (or preferably the Slipstream approach www.velonews.com/news/fea/11667.0.html ) then of course he'll be in the Clean Tour.
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  • grazergrazer Posts: 131
    surely rasmussen for KOM....???
  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 1,806
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Eurostar</i>

    I will only cheer for riders who are definitely clean. In my book the others are not in the same race. So I've been trying to work out who's in the Clean Tour. If we believe what we read it ought to be the T-Mobiles, the CSCs
    and anyone in a French team.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    I'm afraid I'm reluctantly ignoring the Chicken because he's in one of the 12 teams that isn't doing anything to combat doping.
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  • oldwelshmanoldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    I like the way Schlek rides and can see him doing well.
    The way Vino rode in Dauphine was rubbish so would be amazed if he improved enough to win TDF.


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  • Brian BBrian B Posts: 2,071
    Vino for me. If he does not win he will at least liven things up a bit. Valverde loves to attack as well and he really has to prove himself in this years Tour.

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  • TimelessTimeless Posts: 1,117
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Brian B</i>

    Vino for me. If he does not win he will at least liven things up a bit. Valverde loves to attack as well and he really has to prove himself in this years Tour.

    Brian B.
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    so you won't be in Eurostar's gang then?[:D]

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  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 1,806
    If you believe velonews.com, which says that Prudhomme won't let you ride the Tour unless you sign the UCI charter promising your DNA to the Spanish police, I think an awful lot of people will drop out in the next few weeks - including Kloden and others from last year's T-Mobile squad.

    Strangely the UCI are now saying that Valverde was not implicated in Puerto. So maybe he will sign.

    And Discovery have been more or less thrown out of AIGCP for not upholding the ProTour ethical code. Is this a precursor to them withdrawing from the Tour? It's hard to imagine them signing the charter now.

    I wonder if we're about to see a massive cull. There must be a fair few riders from Astana, Milram, Lotto and Quickstep who are most displeased by the UCI charter thingy. I'm bracing myself for a bit of an explosion. Cycling Weekly seem to agree - http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/New ... 24877.html

    Payback time for the French, methinks.
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  • EurostarEurostar Posts: 1,806
    Breaking news...well, not exactly breaking but...

    - the UCI says Valverde wasn't implicated in Puerto. So all of a sudden he looks like the favourite - that's if you think Vino and Kloden will be barred for not signing the UCI declaration.

    - Rabobank has signed it, so maybe it's safe to regard them as clean.

    - Pereiro said he would quit cycling if made to give DNA - so presumably he won't sign the declaration.

    So perhaps the Clean Tour contenders should be:

    Yellow - Sastre, Schleck, Moreau, Valverde, Menchov

    Green - O'Grady, McGee, Hushovd, Freire

    KOM - Schleck, Rasmussen

    Prologue and TTs - Zabriskie, Wiggins

    Winner of a stage if they have a good day and get lucky - Frank Hoj, David Moncoutie, Karpets, Didier Rous, Michael Rogers,
    Roger Hammond, Simoni, Millar, Thomas Dekker. And maybe Dessel.
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  • K BlackwellK Blackwell Posts: 1,539
    I fancy Contador as opposed to the obvious favourites. Was very impressed with his aggressive riding in Paris - Nice. But then I always hope it's a climber that wins.
  • afx237viafx237vi Posts: 12,630
    How's about young Thomas Dekker as an outside bet then? Climbing veeeeeery well this year, and obviously he's a big TT talent.
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