Scouser misbehavior a taboo subject?

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  • Mark AlexanderMark Alexander Posts: 2,277
    Ist off. I'm a Liverpool fan.

    I've just read the original topic. I think that it became tasteless. If this had been a Man Uv Chelsea final, the Hisbrough tradegedy would never have risen its head and it would now all be over.

    The blame can be leveled at fans, police and at organisers (for supplying so few tickets) Has anyone mentioned that there was no over crowding of the stands and there was no loss of life. That's the bottom line.
    Unless anyone can think of anything more important than Life??

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  • quote:Sworks Posted - 26/05/2007 : 19:31:39 2.ANYBODY who can knock,make fun of or say ANYTHING wether it be in jest about thoses men,women and children who died at Hillsborough wants their head stoving in regardless of whose fault it was the fact of the matter is all those people are dead and it was a sad day for liverpool and football full stop.


    What bollocks. The events were tragic and avoidable. But to say that no-one should be allowed to knock, make fun or say ANYTHING about what happened just about proves the Scouser "victim mentality". You can't honestly tell me that there have been no jokes going about Liverpool about other tragic events can you? Hippocritical, sentimental shite. People died, some other people were to blame no doubt, but because they were mostly from Liverpool no-one can talk about anything concerning it in case someone gets up-set. Get a grip!



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  • mr_hippomr_hippo Posts: 1,051
    Liverpool FC + major cup final = references to Hillsborough and Heysel
    Any city/person + major event = references to some event, possibly tragic
    It sells newspapers/boosts viewing figures. It has always been thus. If I mention Pompeii, what do you think of - the Vesuvius eruption and that was 1,928 years ago. I admit that some may think of Frankie Howard!

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  • quote:Originally posted by mr_hippo

    Liverpool FC + major cup final = references to Hillsborough and Heysel
    Any city/person + major event = references to some event, possibly tragic



    Almost certainly tragic - it sticks in the memory a bit more than the fact that Liverpool was European City of Culture a few years ago.
  • PeteB99PeteB99 Posts: 1,063
    quote:Originally posted by Patrick Stevens

    quote:Originally posted by mr_hippo

    Liverpool FC + major cup final = references to Hillsborough and Heysel
    Any city/person + major event = references to some event, possibly tragic



    Almost certainly tragic - it sticks in the memory a bit more than the fact that Liverpool was European City of Culture a few years ago.



    It's City of culture in 2008 actually Patrick[:0]

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  • quote:Originally posted by PeteB99

    quote:
    Almost certainly tragic - it sticks in the memory a bit more than the fact that Liverpool was European City of Culture a few years ago.


    It's City of culture in 2008 actually Patrick[:0]




    It's certainly been trailed well enough then. [:I]
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    It has to be said.....


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  • AsterixcpAsterixcp Posts: 6,251
    When Hillsborough was a tragedy I happened to be living in Manchester. Well, you know what the mancs think of their scouser neighbours of course? Nevertheless, in my local newsagent the 'Scum' was a drug on the market for a long while after their infamous headline.

    I guess time is a great healer, and now we can make use of the catastrophe to suit our own prejudices. IMO unruly football fans are usually from areas that are economically deprived so let us hope that Liverpool's spell as city of culture does something to boost its fortune.

    My links with Liverpool are minimal: I've only been there a few times, e.g. to visit the maritime museum on the Albert Dock! The few people I met were helpful and friendly.

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  • Mark AlexanderMark Alexander Posts: 2,277
    To maggot, it's not the fact that it's Liverpool involved, it's just common respct. we'd be saying the same if it were Man U, Chelsea, Bolton or Ackland & Stanley.

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  • redrobboredrobbo Posts: 727
    quote:Originally posted by Mark Alexander

    To maggot, it's not the fact that it's Liverpool involved, it's just common respct. we'd be saying the same if it were Man U, Chelsea, Bolton or Ackland & Stanley.

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    Nay lad, they'd say nowt if t'were Ackland & Stanley, 'cept they'd never 'eard o' it.



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  • AshtrayheadAshtrayhead Posts: 963
    Hillsborough, Heysel, Athens. Common denominator ....same old scousers.....


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  • Well Mark A.

    http://forums.thisisanfield.com/viewtopic.php?t=738

    Take a quick look at the jokes on this forum. It is the official LFC forum, and contains gems about Peter Sutcliffe, disabled people, victims of death and destruction etc. So Scousers do laugh at everyone else, it's just we can't have a laugh about them.

    Indeed in the forum, there is a whole section devoted to Hillsborough, as well as jokes about murdered women. Any explanations as to how this could be? I mean you have already told us that this sort of thing is unacceptable.

    You just have to face it, Scousers are not poor little angels.







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  • rothbookrothbook Posts: 943
    quote: it's just we can't have a laugh about them.


    It wasn't having a laugh, it was slagging off dead people that I objected to, particularly because it was blaming them for summat they didn't do.
  • So, lets get this straight. It's fine to laugh at Peter Sutcliffes victims, but if anyone mentions Hillsborough then we are slagging off the dead. Could it not be seen that jokes about Sutcliffe are slagging off the dead?

    You need to take a long hard at yourself/selves and realise that you are not all whiter than white, some blame lies at the door of the fans. What about the LFC fans who snatched tickets from children? I can't understand how all Liverpool are always blameless, it's mental. There are "un-desirable" elements in every crowd, you Scousers have to learn to look at yourselves sometimes. Unless you are seriously telling me that no Scousers are ever to blame for anything ever, and you're not are? Are you?

    Stop being so bloody defensive. Think about it.



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  • rothbookrothbook Posts: 943
    quote: What about the LFC fans who snatched tickets from children?


    Eh?
  • It happened in Athens a few weeks ago. There was a father on Radio5 reporting how some LFC fans got children to wave their tickets, then they snatched them from them and ran away, the father and uncle still had their tickets, but the son had his nicked. They ran up the queue doing it, one father caught one of the die-hard not to blame fans and gave him a hiding, and the fan did indeed come from jolly old Liverpool. Still it wasn't his fault oh no[:(!]

    So no honour there eh?



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  • rothbookrothbook Posts: 943
    Radio 5. I see.
  • Mark AlexanderMark Alexander Posts: 2,277
    quote:Originally posted by Maggot

    Well Mark A.

    http://forums.thisisanfield.com/viewtopic.php?t=738

    Take a quick look at the jokes on this forum. It is the official LFC forum, and contains gems about Peter Sutcliffe, disabled people, victims of death and destruction etc. So Scousers do laugh at everyone else, it's just we can't have a laugh about them.

    Indeed in the forum, there is a whole section devoted to Hillsborough, as well as jokes about murdered women. Any explanations as to how this could be? I mean you have already told us that this sort of thing is unacceptable.

    You just have to face it, Scousers are not poor little angels.







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    Actually, I didn't say it's unacceptable and I didn't say don't make jokes.


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  • FnaarFnaar Posts: 1,985
    Time to take the wheels off this argument? Jack it up and leave it resting on the bricks of experience, so to speak? [:D]

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  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. They must have found an impressionist to do the Scouser voice overs, and then got him to lie and make up the whole story, then got several other impressionists to do the same thing.

    You really are totally blind to any Scouse blame aren't you?



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  • Mark AlexanderMark Alexander Posts: 2,277
    Eh?


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  • Mark, if you read Rothbooks post of a few minutes ago it will all become clear.



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  • Mark AlexanderMark Alexander Posts: 2,277
    I missed that small post.
    just to stoke the fire a little a development
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 717793.stm

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  • Well after what happened to Boris Johnson, you can hardly blame Caborn for backing Liverpool. He was most unlikely to say, "Bloody right, I wouldn't want thousands of Scousers in my town smashing the place up and then blaming the local council" now was he?

    The UEFA bloke has a point though, there were two lots of fans, the trouble though only came from one lot, surely you can't argue that point, or can you[;)]



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  • Chris JamesChris James Posts: 1,040
    To blame 'scousers' for the behaviour of some Liverpool fans is the relam of the weak minded.

    For a start, being a Liverpool fan is no indicator of actually being from Liverpool.

    Secondly, yes, some people who follow Liverpool are probably scumbags. As are some people who follow other teams. To extrapolate that to an argument that all or most Liverpool fans are scumbags requires a massive lack of thought.

    It is like saying Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore all vegetarians are fascist dictators i.e. rubbish.

    I am sure that SOME Liverpool fans do laugh about the disabled and murdered people. This is not because they are scousers but because they are very unpleasant people who have no empathy for others.

    Maggot, as far as your quote below

    'But to say that no-one should be allowed to knock, make fun or say ANYTHING about what happened just about proves the Scouser "victim mentality".'

    I think the fact that you appear to think 'making fun' of the dead is acceptable says more about you than it does about scousers victimhood.
  • on the roadon the road Posts: 5,631
    quote:Originally posted by Maggot

    Well Mark A.

    http://forums.thisisanfield.com/viewtopic.php?t=738

    Take a quick look at the jokes on this forum. It is the official LFC forum, and contains gems about Peter Sutcliffe, disabled people, victims of death and destruction etc. So Scousers do laugh at everyone else, it's just we can't have a laugh about them.

    Indeed in the forum, there is a whole section devoted to Hillsborough, as well as jokes about murdered women. Any explanations as to how this could be? I mean you have already told us that this sort of thing is unacceptable.

    You just have to face it, Scousers are not poor little angels.
    That is not the official LFC forum, shows what you know, you might want to check you facts in future.

    This is the offical LFC forum.
  • rothbookrothbook Posts: 943
    It wasn't making fun of the dead so much as blaming them for their own deaths!
  • Mark AlexanderMark Alexander Posts: 2,277
    quote:Originally posted by rothbook

    It wasn't making fun of the dead so much as blaming them for their own deaths!


    Does that include the 14yr old who died 4 days later?

    Comments like that make me sick

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