Police win power to ban bike ride

Regulator · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Luis Trampe

Yea that's right .Wind up the people who already hate you.

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Hmmm... six posts and already taking on the big boys, eh. [:X]

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Jaded · May 2007

looks paggy.

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Luis Trampe · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Regulator

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Luis Trampe

Yea that's right .Wind up the people who already hate you.

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Hmmm... six posts and already taking on the big boys, eh. [:X]

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Big boys!!
Who would they be then? [:p]

MartinCcp · May 2007

There are some posters who when I see their name in the thread I leave it and don't bother reading it again. They post some inane rubbish and then some of the regulars get sucked into an interminable argument with them that has nothing to do with the subject. This thread is now useless for me. I wish you guys would just ignore the trolls and post on the thread subject.

rothbook · May 2007

Or flag them. How they think they are doing their campaign any favours by continuing the crapspeed tactic of disrupting other forums is beyond me.

Luis Trampe · May 2007

Er,I think he was talking about you.
Couldn't be me could it with my 6 posts?
Wot is crapspeed?

spen666 · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Eternal_headwind

The public order act 1986 states that riot is an offence committed by 12 or more persons gathered together for a common purpose and behaving in such a manner as to cause a person of reasonable firmness to fear for their safety.

Why not abandong the CM and have 100 or so smaller simultaneous events restricted to 11 people.

you see where this is going
1. You are no longer breaking the ludicrous use of the act. Let's face it the police were stretching it to the limit anyway
2. You cannot be tried together.

If the police want to play silly games then let's ensure we are so hard to process that they won't have nearly enough resources

Sorry to any lawyers out there but my legal knowledge comes from a temp job whilst I was a student years ago. Best get a real professional to check it out before proceeding with such an idea

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The fact the public order act 1986 defines a riot is totally irrelevant to this issue.

It is about as relevant as the Battle of Hastings is to the issue.

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Tourist Tony · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Luis Trampe

Er,I think he was talking about you.
Couldn't be me could it with my 6 posts?
Wot is crapspeed?
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It's the playpen of your geeklord, Dick.

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eternal_headwind · May 2007

spen666, I feel you may have missed the point. The police are binding themselves to a legal definition of a group of people. If you are one of 11 people you are legally not in a group with respect to this particular piece of legislation.

I suppose by the same token you could use this act to say that all motorists using the road at the same time are part of the same group and therefore could all be tried together for a single incident.

Read the act, perhaps I am wrong...

linfordlunchbox · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MartinC

There are some posters who when I see their name in the thread I leave it and don't bother reading it again. They post some inane rubbish and then some of the regulars get sucked into an interminable argument with them that has nothing to do with the subject. This thread is now useless for me. I wish you guys would just ignore the trolls and post on the thread subject.
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The argument against CM is IMO the same as the argument used in Cheltenham against the 'cruisers'.

The cruisers argue that they are being picked on, are moved on all the time, and hassled by the police - that they are going about their lawful business of driving around the ring road (endlessly).

The reality is that many of them end up racing as they circuit the town (one nearly took me out on Albion street a few months ago), are moved on constantly for the mess they drop wherever they park (fast food wrappers), the noise from their stereos pee everyone off for miles and they end up doing burnouts in the trade parks which haven't moved them off yet. - A fair appraisal ?

They all to a man (or is that boy ?) claim that its always someone else doing this and that they are being victimised.

This compares to the CM where hundreds of cyclists gather specifically to 'reclaim the streets' - that is basically to waste a couple of hours deliberately holding up the traffic to make already miserable people living in a congested s-hithole trying to get home from work even more miserable.

Both groups are as bad as each other IMO

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rothbook · May 2007

How many CM's you been on then Linford?

None, isn't it?

linfordlunchbox · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

How many CM's you been on then Linford?

None, isn't it?
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Am I right or wrong Tabernacle ?

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rothbook · May 2007

Utterly wrong. Come on Friday and see what really happens if you like, rather than your bizarre muddle of "reclaim the streets" which is a completely seperate movement to CM.

You know about CM from whatever you've read, which seems to be twaddle I'm afraid.

No cars are deliberately delayed, don't be daft, where are you getting this garbage from?

The Bosscp · May 2007

What I don't get is what's supposed to be the intended eventual outcome of CM...
is it:
To make motorists annoyed at the increased congestion and thus consider that they should take more notice of cyclists?
To make the cyclists themselves feel good about their 'unbullyableness' (is that a word?) for the duration of the ride, due to riding in such a large group?
Or both? OR something else?

maybrick · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">linfordlunchbox Posted

Both groups are as bad as each other IMO

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then you are an idiot- IMO

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linfordlunchbox · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by maybrick

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">linfordlunchbox Posted

Both groups are as bad as each other IMO

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then you are an idiot- IMO

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If anything, It could be argued that CM attendee is worse, because a 'cruiser' is just an ignorant creature of habit and knows no better, but a CM attendee is being a bit provocative to make a point (like a dog p.issing on a lamp post to mark their ground).

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cuddy duck · May 2007

Can anyone remember box ever making a cycling-friendly post?
Can anyone recall box ever posting anything to suggest a philosophical opposition to the extant road user hierarchy of motorist first, everyone else get to the margins and behave in the interests of the motorist?
Can anyone recall a thread protesting some derisory sentence for drivers killing or maiming vulnerable road users where box hasn't argued that we can all make mistakes and vulnerable road users should be more careful?
Ever? Anyone?

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maybrick · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">linfordlunchbox Posted -

If anything, It could be argued that CM attendee is worse, because a 'cruiser' is just an ignorant creature of habit and knows no better, but a CM attendee is being a bit provocative to make a point (like a dog p.issing on a lamp post to mark their ground).
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no longer just my opinion that you're an idiot so it seems, you've opened yourself up nicely to being widely regarded as such.

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spen666 · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Eternal_headwind

spen666, I feel you may have missed the point. The police are binding themselves to a legal definition of a group of people. If you are one of 11 people you are legally not in a group with respect to this particular piece of legislation.

I suppose by the same token you could use this act to say that all motorists using the road at the same time are part of the same group and therefore could all be tried together for a single incident.

Read the act, perhaps I am wrong...
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Sorry , but it is you who has missed completely the effect of S11 of the Public Order Act. There is absolutely no connection with the definition of riot at all.

You are deluding yourself.

As I said the definition of riot is as relevant to the effect of S11 of the 1986 POA as the Battle of Hastings is to S11.

Oh and I read the Act regularly, as it forms part of my work to advise upon it in practice

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spen666 · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

What I don't get is what's supposed to be the intended eventual outcome of CM...
is it:
To make motorists annoyed at the increased congestion and thus consider that they should take more notice of cyclists?
To make the cyclists themselves feel good about their 'unbullyableness' (is that a word?) for the duration of the ride, due to riding in such a large group?
Or both? OR something else?

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No the intended outcome of CM is either pancakes or a curry with friends(well that is my intention each month)

22nd March can't come soon enough, neither can 26th May 2007

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linfordlunchbox · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cuddy duck

Can anyone remember box ever making a cycling-friendly post?
Can anyone recall box ever posting anything to suggest a philosophical opposition to the extant road user hierarchy of motorist first, everyone else get to the margins and behave in the interests of the motorist?
Can anyone recall a thread protesting some derisory sentence for drivers killing or maiming vulnerable road users where box hasn't argued that we can all make mistakes and vulnerable road users should be more careful?
Ever? Anyone?

There are 9 million bicycles in Beijing. But no cyclists: that's one thing we can be sure of....
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I am all for people making a point - I just did, what I am not happy with is people going out of their way to antagonise innocent bystanders on the streets over an extended period of time.

You won't achieve the moral high ground with the CM !

Ride to remember fallen cyclists, ride to campaign for better driver education, ride to campaign for better cycling facilities, ride for any reason, but have a point or else you will just seen by the ones you need to listen as a bunch of clowns on one big wind up at their expense !

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"

cuddy duck · May 2007

Ever?

There are 9 million bicycles in Beijing. But no cyclists: that's one thing we can be sure of....

spen666 · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox...
I am all for people making a point - I just did, what I am not happy with is people going out of their way to antagonise innocent bystanders on the streets over an extended period of time.

You won't achieve the moral high ground with the CM !

Ride to remember fallen cyclists, ride to campaign for better driver education, ride to campaign for better cycling facilities, ride for any reason, but have a point or else you will just seen by the ones you need to listen as a bunch of clowns on one big wind up at their expense !

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"
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I do, I ride because I can and because I enjoy the company of friends.

It is no less a valid reason than those of the 1000s of motorists who do it twice every day

22nd March can't come soon enough, neither can 26th May 2007

Carbon Footprint what Carbon Footprint?

Crapaud · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Rothbook:
Utterly wrong. Come on Friday and see what really happens if you like, rather than your bizarre muddle of "reclaim the streets" which is a completely seperate movement to CM.
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It was my understanding that CM's aim was to reclaim our space on the streets. If that's not what it's about, what is it?
A more fundamental question that I've not been able to find an answer to is: why after 12-13 years have the police's attitude towards CM changed?
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No cars are deliberately delayed, don't be daft, where are you getting this garbage from?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
From my one experience of CM it was clear that traffic was held up and that it was deliberate.

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rothbook · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> what I am not happy with is people going out of their way to antagonise innocent bystanders on the streets over an extended period of time. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Me neither- that's why I attend Critical Mass - because it shows the alternative.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> It was my understanding that CM's aim was to reclaim our space on the streets. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Dunno where you get this from. My aim when I ride on Friday is to meet mates, listen to music, ride through the best city in Europe and have a meal.

linfordlunchbox · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> what I am not happy with is people going out of their way to antagonise innocent bystanders on the streets over an extended period of time. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Me neither- that's why I attend Critical Mass - because it shows the alternative.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> It was my understanding that CM's aim was to reclaim our space on the streets. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Dunno where you get this from. My aim when I ride on Friday is to meet mates, listen to music, ride through the best city in Europe and have a meal.

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What ever gave you that idea ?

Apart from the tourist attractions and the tube, its a bit of a dive - and I seem to be spending far too much time up there.

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"

The Bosscp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rothbook

Dunno where you get this from. My aim when I ride on Friday is to meet mates, listen to music, ride through the best city in Europe and have a meal.
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Oh - going away are we? Thought you were stopping in London for Critical Mass?

The Bosscp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

What ever gave you that idea ?

Apart from the tourist attractions and the tube, its a bit of a dive - and I seem to be spending far too much time up there.
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Whatever gave you that idea?

Crapaud · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Rothbook:
Dunno where you get this from. My aim when I ride on Friday is to meet mates, listen to music, ride through the best city in Europe and have a meal.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I didn't particularly intend to single you out Rothbook, but you seemed to have an answer to my question. The question wasn't "Why do you go on Critical Mass?", but "What is the aim/goal/purpose of CM?"
Along with my other, more on topic question, it's open to any forumite to answer.

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rothbook · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> "What is the aim/goal/purpose of CM?" <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

WHAT'S IS ALL ABOUT?
Critical Mass is often described as an 'unorganised coincidence'. It happens when a lot of cyclists happen to be in the same place at the same time and decide to cycle the same way together for a while

WHAT'S THE PURPOSE?
"Everyday, all over the world, people are resisting the problem culture of the car by getting on their bikes and riding, instead of driving.

Critical Mass is a celebration of the alternatives to cars, pollution, accidents and the loss of public spaces and freedoms.

Not an organisation or group, but an idea or tactic, Critical Mass allows people to reclaim cities with their bikes, just by getting together and out-numbering the cars on the road"

WHAT HAPPENS ON A CRITICAL MASS?
Each one is different and they follow no set route, with the direction being spontaneously chosen as people cycle along. Anyone is free to join or leave the ride as it pedals along.

The ride lasts no more than a couple of hours (depending on the weather!) and usually ends in a conveniently placed pub for more drinks.

Most all, they are peaceful, safe and fun!

DO I NEED A BIKE?
Nope! Critical Mass is not just for bikes - skateboards, roller blades, wheelchairs, pogo sticks - in fact any form of non-motorised, non-polluting are all very welcome!

FIND OUT MORE
Check out the excellent Critical Mass, London site

Police win power to ban bike ride

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